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Posted: 8/9/2016 12:36:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK there is alot of BS in this thread & it needs to stop I have one of the green gen 1 ps90sbought it in 06 I purchased an five seven a few years later fact one the ammo is very hard to reload and 5.7 is such a high pressure round a safe prudent Loader would measure out each round by hand fact 2 the five seven pistol comes in 1 barrel length 4" the ps90 comes with a 16" & 10.5 " is available through CMMG fact 3 the American eagle is actually very low velocity FMJ ammo. it will not penetrate soft armor even from a 16" ps90 barrel. I may have missed it so number 4 4 the green tip has been shown to penetrate soft armor out of the ps90 16" barrel but I have seen no proof with a 4" pistol. 2. The FSN's barrel length is 4.75" - not 4". Aftermarket barrels from EFK and Jarvis go to 5.3/5.4", and EFK now makes a 6" and 7" barrel. 3. It penetrates level II from the pistol as referenced here:  Given the velocity of the AE TMJ this load from the FSN mimics what one would see from the PS90, and it penetrates budget IIIA: 4. Skip to 6:28 in this video. NIJ level IIIA panel penetrated by SS198LF. 5.7x28mm is not within the scope of NIJ raitngs. Typically a manufacturer's vest will have additional threat ratings if they choose to have those tested. NIJ levels are minimum standards. You could build a something that far exceeds the rating, but you're still stuck calling it IIIA, if it doesn't meet the min standards of the next rating. a |
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Posted: 8/9/2016 12:08:04 PM EDT
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1. it seems as if you prep the cases properly, it's like other bottle neck cartridges. However due to it's size and pressure, only very accurate charges should be loaded. 2. The FSN's barrel length is 4.75" - not 4". Aftermarket barrels from EFK and Jarvis go to 5.3/5.4", and EFK now makes a 6" and 7" barrel. 3. It penetrates level II from the pistol as referenced here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6aI1IRxvE
Given the velocity of the AE TMJ this load from the FSN mimics what one would see from the PS90, and it penetrates budget IIIA: https://youtu.be/2wsscNSrR6M
4. Skip to 6:28 in this video. NIJ level IIIA panel penetrated by SS198LF. 5.7x28mm is not within the scope of NIJ raitngs. Typically a manufacturer's vest will have additional threat ratings if they choose to have those tested. NIJ levels are minimum standards. You could build a something that far exceeds the rating, but you're still stuck calling it IIIA, if it doesn't meet the min standards of the next rating. https://youtu.be/PbhfMUU9QMca
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OK there is alot of BS in this thread & it needs to stop I have one of the green gen 1 ps90sbought it in 06 I purchased an five seven a few years later fact one the ammo is very hard to reload and 5.7 is such a high pressure round a safe prudent Loader would measure out each round by hand fact 2 the five seven pistol comes in 1 barrel length 4" the ps90 comes with a 16" & 10.5 " is available through CMMG fact 3 the American eagle is actually very low velocity FMJ ammo. it will not penetrate soft armor even from a 16" ps90 barrel. I may have missed it so number 4 4 the green tip has been shown to penetrate soft armor out of the ps90 16" barrel but I have seen no proof with a 4" pistol. 3. It penetrates level II from the pistol as referenced here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW6aI1IRxvE
Given the velocity of the AE TMJ this load from the FSN mimics what one would see from the PS90, and it penetrates budget IIIA: https://youtu.be/2wsscNSrR6M
4. Skip to 6:28 in this video. NIJ level IIIA panel penetrated by SS198LF. 5.7x28mm is not within the scope of NIJ raitngs. Typically a manufacturer's vest will have additional threat ratings if they choose to have those tested. NIJ levels are minimum standards. You could build a something that far exceeds the rating, but you're still stuck calling it IIIA, if it doesn't meet the min standards of the next rating. https://youtu.be/PbhfMUU9QMca
Thanks Buff for posting all of those. I was going to dig it all up and post it but I decided to forgo the internet spat. Thanks again for all the great vids and testing you do. |
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