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Posted: 9/14/2012 5:23:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FAB-Defense]
FAB-Defense is proud to announce the release of a new and improved K.P.O.S Personal Defense Weapon Conversion System for your Handgun.
The new Sleek Design K.P.O.S. Generation 2 P.D.W Conversion Kit-Turns your Handgun into a fully Adjustable, Rock Solid Personal Defense Weapon with a NEW AR Style Cocking System and More Innovative Unique Features. • The Frame is One Solid Hard Piece of 6061 T6 Billet Aluminum Anodized with Built-in AR15 Style Charging/Cocking Handle Mechanism making it Ambidextrous and Comfortable with NO Modification Needed to the Handgun. • Folding Rubber Butt Pad Stock Easily Angle and Height Adjustable to Allow Perfect fit for Mounted Sights & Easy to Conceal, a Must have Upgrade for Undercover Units and Personnel with Removable Front Flash Hider for Silencer/Suppressor - Assembles with Only One Bolt. • Quick and Easy Installation Requires No Special Assembly or Handgun Modification May Assemble in Hands, Free Standing, and Does Not Require Lying Down on a Table. • Incorporates Full Length Upper Rail with One Piece Side & Lower Rails Making it More Solid and Accurate • Back Holding Plate (spring box) Can Not Be Removed from the Frame to Prevent Loss. • Smallest & Lightest frame (Folded or Open) Compared to Any Competitor • Highly ventilated frame provides appropriate heat dissipation for use with Compensator Models • Provided with the F-GGK Foregrip with the Trigger Guard Feature, in order to Enhance Your Weapon's Safety by Securing "Loaded Chamber" Carry. • Lifetime Warranty Available for: • Glock: 17/18/19/21 including “C” models and the Gen 4 Series. • F.N: 5.7 • Jericho: Both IMI & IWI Polymer versions. (Additional model compatibility will soon be available). Technical Specifications: Weight:________________960 gr Width:__________________59 mm Height:__________________146 mm Length (Folded):___________370 mm Length (open / deployed):____598 mm Purchase Information: In the US: The MAKO Group For Other Countries, Please use our Dealer Locator |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2012 4:08:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Almost all of your links are broken.
I love the concept, though. A lot of the civilianized pistol caliber SMG/carbine weapons don't make a lot of sense when selective fire is removed from the equation. The KPOS G2 seems to give you a combo light enough to have a real advantage... not to mention good optics mounting possibilities. Seems really expensive, though... $200 more than the previous version? |
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Posted: 9/27/2012 2:27:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Thank you for your comment,
When examining the price of the K.P.O.S G2 one must take into consideration several new features it provides; • Faster & easier installation with no modification to your Handgun, • A Built-In AR Style Cocking System, • More comfortable, Adjustable Buttstock, • Improved Overall Support for your handgun allows the use of stronger Ammo. These are the Reasons for the higher Price- Tag However, once you’ve tried it I believe you’ll find it worth every penny. Kind Regards, Ariel FAB-Defense |
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Posted: 9/28/2012 4:42:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FAB-Defense]
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NE, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2012 6:51:40 PM EDT
[#4]
It's probably just because my google-fu sucks, but can you list the dimensions of the original KPOS (weight, length folded and unfolded) and the length of pull of both models for comparison purposes? I like the continuous rail on top of the new one, but it does seem significantly larger and the length of pull is starting to look a little long. Thanks!
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:54:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FAB-Defense]
[#5]
K.P.O.S G2:
Weight:________________960 gr Width:__________________59 mm Height:__________________146 mm Length (Folded):___________370 mm Length (open / deployed):____598 mm ______________VS______________ K.P.O.S G1: Weight:________________760 gr Width:__________________56 mm Height:__________________140 mm Length (Folded):___________345mm Length (open / deployed):____550 mm As you can see, the main differences between the two regarding Technical characteristics are the length and weight; - The G2 is 25mm longer while folded and 48mm when deployed due to an improved adjustable Buttstock, not really as long as it seems and still very Concealable (17mm shorter than a Mini-Uzi). - The weight of the G2 is also 200g heavier all together thanks to all of the new features it presents. Hope you find this information helpful, I would still recommend you to take the G2 out for a ride 
Kind Regards, Ariel FAB-Defense |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2012 4:12:19 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for the reply Ariel. You guys will have to get the Glock 21 model out before I could give the KPOS gen 2 a try, as I don't have any small frame Glocks. Probably be close to a year before I could save enough for either of these conversions anyway, so no real rush!
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Posted: 10/7/2012 6:47:54 AM EDT
[#7]
We have both models available for the Glock 21 already,
take your time, things are only getting better. Kind Regards, Ariel FAB-Defense |
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USA
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Posted: 10/20/2012 2:02:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dhampir]
[#8]
Originally Posted By payne540:
Thanks for the reply Ariel. You guys will have to get the Glock 21 model out before I could give the KPOS gen 2 a try, as I don't have any small frame Glocks... This. I'd like to see the K.P.O.S G2 Handgun to PDW Conversion available for the Glock 21 too (nothing on MAKO's site showing it available for the larger-framed Glocks). EDIT... Okay, I'm confused here. The OP states: • Glock: 17/18/19/21 including “C” models and the Gen 4 Series.
...also... We have both models available for the Glock 21 already
But on MAKO website it states: Compatible with Glock 17, 17L, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 32, 34, 35
NO mention of the Glock 21 or 20 Please clarify if the Glock 21 can be used with the K.P.O.S. Generation 2 |
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Posted: 10/20/2012 3:11:43 PM EDT
[#9]
Will you be offering anything for the G20?
Will this system work with a suppressor? |
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USA
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Posted: 10/21/2012 10:33:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2012 11:03:39 AM EDT
[#11]
Very pretty, but only saleable in my state to police departments–– mere citizens here are not trusted to own short barreled rifles, sorry.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 2:03:46 AM EDT
[#12]
Thanks for the feedback guys, i will try and answer all of your questions.
Glock 21: The K.P.O.S G2 is already available for the Glock 21, all you have to do is to specify in your order. Suppressor: Both K.P.O.S G1 & G2 allows the use of a Suppressor, all you have to do in case your Suppressor does not fit in the Flash-hider is to open the upper screw in the G2 and remove the Flash-hider, same idea for the G1. Grip Force Adapter: The K.P.O.S G2 or other variations will not fit on a handgun equipped with this specific upgrade, due to the fact that the rear slide supports your handgun on it's beaver-tail, therefore the original must be used in order for the K.P.O.S to fit. Hope you all find this informative. Kind regards, Ariel FAB-Defense |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 5:25:13 AM EDT
[#13]
But on MAKO website it states: Compatible with Glock 17, 17L, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 32, 34, 35 NO mention of the Glock 21 or 20 Please clarify if the Glock 21 can be used with the K.P.O.S. Generation 2 The KPOS G2 is also available for the Glock 20/21, and a separate conversion plate is also available to convert a Glock 17 KPOS Gen 2 to work with the large frame pistols. Also for the FN Five Seven.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 5:28:56 AM EDT
[#14]
Originally Posted By erwos: Seems really expensive, though... $200 more than the previous version? The price difference is $93.95 at MSRP between the G2 and the G1. |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 7:25:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Yasher koach
Much better than gen 1 |
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USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 11:29:33 AM EDT
[#16]
Thank you for the replies.
Truth be told, I missed the "Next Page" button on MAKO's website, and didn't see the KPOS-G2-GLOCK 21 
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USA
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Posted: 10/23/2012 11:34:52 AM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By MakoDefense:
...and a separate conversion plate is also available to convert a Glock 17 KPOS Gen 2 to work with the large frame pistols. So, can one purchase a Glock 21 KPOS Gen 2 and then a separate conversion plate to use 9mm Glocks as well? |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 1:20:10 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By Dhampir: Thank you for the replies. Truth be told, I missed the "Next Page" button on MAKO's website, and didn't see the KPOS-G2-GLOCK 21 Don't feel bad - I'm on the site all the time and sometimes don't see what I am looking for. |
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Posted: 10/23/2012 1:22:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By Dhampir: So, can one purchase a Glock 21 KPOS Gen 2 and then a separate conversion plate to use 9mm Glocks as well? The other way around, actually. We don't currently stock a separate conversion plate to go from large frame to 9mm sized Glocks, but it may be possible. I would have to ask FAB. |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:50:45 AM EDT
[#20]
Come and visit us at Shot Show 2013
With The MAKO Group, Front - Line and Meprolight at booth 20138 |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2012 5:08:54 PM EDT
[#21]
A product like this makes me ALMOST want to buy a Glock.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:55:39 PM EDT
[#22]
That's a neat concept. Do we need any special license to install on a pistol? I read somewhere about restrictions to adding buttstocks to a pistol. Does it apply in this case?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:12:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By clout: Or a SIG:A product like this makes me ALMOST want to buy a Glock.  Or an FN Five Seven, or a Jericho . . .
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:13:07 AM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By Rossi: That's a neat concept. Do we need any special license to install on a pistol? I read somewhere about restrictions to adding buttstocks to a pistol. Does it apply in this case? You need to register the pistol as an SBR using ATFE Form 1. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:40:04 PM EDT
[#25]
Originally Posted By MakoDefense: Originally Posted By Rossi: That's a neat concept. Do we need any special license to install on a pistol? I read somewhere about restrictions to adding buttstocks to a pistol. Does it apply in this case? You need to register the pistol as an SBR using ATFE Form 1. Thanks! So, unfortunately is a no go for me. Cannot have SBRs in WA State.  |
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Posted: 12/22/2012 4:14:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Will the Gen I version work with the GEN 4 Glocks (specifically the G17 Gen 4) and do you still offer it?
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Posted: 12/23/2012 3:06:43 AM EDT
[#27]
Gen 1 is still offered, and should work with a Gen 4 Glock, I think, but I don't currently have a Gen 4 SBRed to test it with. I will see what I can do to test one. Anyone else have an SBRed Gen 4 Glock that they have tried the KPOS with?
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Posted: 12/26/2012 1:27:56 AM EDT
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NE, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2013 5:34:10 PM EDT
[#29]
I like FAB gear, but I'm wondering if there's a way to mount it on the individual weapon on the rail. I believe that what Sig ACP has done. After reading their material it sounds like by mounting on the rail it doesn't require Fm 1'ing your pistol.
I'd much rather get a FAB than the other one I listed, but 6 months and $200 are worth something. |
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Posted: 1/1/2013 5:45:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By v188: I like FAB gear, but I'm wondering if there's a way to mount it on the individual weapon on the rail. I believe that what Sig ACP has done. After reading their material it sounds like by mounting on the rail it doesn't require Fm 1'ing your pistol. I'd much rather get a FAB than the other one I listed, but 6 months and $200 are worth something. Absolutely not. If you mount a stock to a pistol, (other than some historical pistols specifically exempted) it becomes an SBR, no matter what method is used to attach it. The SIG copy is will make your pistol an SBR just as the KPOS will. SIG makes one without a stock, but in that case, you could just get a KPOS without a stock. |
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Posted: 1/14/2013 2:48:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FAB-Defense]
[#31]
Well guys, this is a well known challenge.
check out this video of our brand-new "LB-200" handgun support system; 
• Does not transform your handgun legally in to an SBR. coming soon
Ariel FAB-Defense |
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Posted: 1/14/2013 9:20:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FAB-Defense]
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Posted: 1/26/2013 12:04:19 AM EDT
[#33]
Nothing for a glockenspiel 32?
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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:14:14 AM EDT
[#34]
KPOS for 17/19 pistols is the right one for the G32.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:27:22 AM EDT
[#35]
Do you know where I can order the back plate so it will work with a G21 also. Description says "21&21sf Requires back plate replacement, can be ordered separately."
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2013 11:02:20 PM EDT
[#36]
We are experiencing poor accuracy issues with the unit. The 5 shot groups were in the 10-14" range at 25 yards. The gun seems to have a good amount of play inside the K.P.O.S. frame. We tried tightening down the rail lever but that did not help. The Glock is a Gen4.
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Posted: 4/27/2013 1:22:18 AM EDT
[#37]
There should be absolutely no movement. It is likely that you missed the groove for the rail. If this is not the case, it is possible that the rear tensioning plate could be the wrong one (for the wrong pistol). In that case it would be our mistake. Can you take detailed photos of the pistol mounted in the KPOS from all angles including front and email them to me? I will PM my email address.
This is a Gen2 KPOS?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:14:24 PM EDT
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Is the ID of the "muzzle device" large enough to run a SilencerCo Sparrow on the FN 5.7 version?
It looks like it should be, but i just want to make sure. The Sparrow is 1.062" dia |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 2:57:11 AM EDT
[#39]
Yes, should work fine.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:02:36 PM EDT
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Anyone got a review of these?
Also, as a lefty, how bad is gas from the ejection port in the face? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2013 12:42:14 PM EDT
[#41]
I think it would be neat if when I emailed FAB defense using their contact us they actually responded.
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Posted: 7/28/2013 5:53:10 AM EDT
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Email me - FAB responds, but often just forwards the emails to me anyway. Keep in mind that they are a manufacturer and not a retailer, so the support is not in place to handle large numbers of retail questions, as their worldwide market is very large and they depend on importers and distributors to handle retail questions and support.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2013 11:30:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Onslaught]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist:
Also, as a lefty, how bad is gas from the ejection port in the face? Ditto on this question |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2013 6:47:16 PM EDT
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I have a problem with my KPOS G2 stock having way to much wiggle.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2013 2:45:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: twydyn]
[#45]
This product is very hard to get support for. I cant get support, if anyone knows how to get fab defense or mako to reply to a problem let me know.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 4:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By twydyn: I have a problem with my KPOS G2 stock having way to much wiggle. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2013 11:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MakoDefense:
The stock is adjustable, and the bolts are generally not overtight when shipped. You should loosen the bolts, adjust the stock up and down to be the correct height for your optics or sights, and then tighten the bolts. You can use a bit of blue loktite on them if you like. If you did not adjust them to begin with and they became loose, the stock will move. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MakoDefense:
Originally Posted By twydyn:
I have a problem with my KPOS G2 stock having way to much wiggle. That is not the problem. The problem is appears to be the rubber buffer is giving to much give. I can literally wiggle the stock up and down by an inch or more. The stock is screwed on tight. |
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Posted: 11/10/2013 11:54:37 AM EDT
[#48]
Are you talking about the rubber buttpad?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MakoDefense:
Are you talking about the rubber buttpad? No. It's the small rubber buffer that makes direct contact with the back of the glock. It's hard to explain but turn the kpos g2 over. Unhing the rear portion, there will be a small rubber bulge with 2 Small holes next to it. This part has way to much movement and can be pushed in with ease. When the back portion is put into place on the glock this rubber part makes direct contact with the glock. Because it has give the whole rear end of the kpos moves up and down. This is the problem. |
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Posted: 11/30/2013 4:19:48 PM EDT
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What overall length should be used on Form 1 for the Glock 17 Model?
Thanks Paul |
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