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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:36:40 AM
Originally Posted By OdT:
Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Thanks, I actually had to clean the crap out of it tonight. I don't know how to post pics on here but I had to use a hammer to tap the brush through, got enough lead out to cast another slug out of it... I'll give it another scrub down before I take it out again and see if that takes care of the feeding problems. It was great for years and thousands of rounds but just lately been giving me trouble. Want to say it has between 3k-5k rounds through it... Right on. I have one MKII with well over 40k rounds through it, and it still shoots at least as well as new today. I also had the same problem happen to that same gun early on, where it started keyholing bullet holes on paper targets. Looked through the bore and there was almost enough of a hole left to push a pencil lead through it. I pushed out a 1.5" long 'casting' with a cleaning rod. Took a lot of force to do it too. The coated/dipped bullets won't ever cause that. Just the exposed lead ones common with standard velocity & target ammo. (It was Remington Thunderbolts that did it to mine. Rapid bulk fire )
Once I got it cleaned and working properly again, I swapped over to CCI Mini Mags, and the problem has never reoccurred again, even after some fairly extreme abuse. Scrub your chamber especially. Fouling at the front end of the chamber, near where the rifling begins, is likely what is preventing the bolt from sliding all the way home. (it takes fairly vigorous scrubbing in some cases. that crud bonds pretty hard from the heat, and it can be difficult to see too) Roger that, will do! |
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Posted: 9/19/2010 6:24:59 PM
Pretty limited list on the poll, but as long as the Rugers are there I guess it doesn't matter. Gotta tip the hat to the old High Standards too though. They won a lot of matches and filled a lot of pots over the years. Perforated a lot of old cans too...
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Posted: 9/20/2010 10:32:37 PM
All my experience is with the MK3 (which I loved so much, that I bought one) but I still voted for the 41, it's just too damn good of a gun to be in an economical .22 pistol poll. It's comparing apples and oranges.
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Posted: 9/25/2010 9:46:58 PM
I have:
Browning Buckmark Ruger MK II Beretta Neos Walther SP22 (not p22) Chiappa 1911-22 GSG 1911 22 From over 15 years of shooting 22 pistols, and experiencing the strengths and weaknesses of each, I must say that I really have developed a fondness for the Buckmark. I love the comfortable grip, the great trigger, the accuracy, and the reliability. I have put countless rounds thru mine and I never hesitate to grab it each time we go shooting. I like shooting other pistols, but if I could only have one, I would start with my Buckmark. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 7:46:38 PM
I've owned three Rugers and one buckmark plus several other brands. I voted ruger for durability . Also no tools needed for takedown. I can hit clays on the 100 yd berm with the stock 5.5" ruger.
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Posted: 10/17/2010 1:06:33 AM
Another vote for ruger 22/45 eats everything the 2 mags have lasted forever.
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Posted: 10/18/2010 10:34:20 PM
P-22 very light weight, accurate, and reliable gets carried a lot due to fun factor.
1911 conversions great training and the Marvel (full size) is the most accurate of all the .22s I own and came threaded for can.
Longest owned and hunted with (MKII target competition as accurate as a 10-22) 5.5 bull barrel broken awaiting repair after used by a deployed team.
Sig, great trainer and fun gun, no problems plinking and training accurate. |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 7:12:20 AM
My Ruger MKI jammed once. After 30+ years of shooting God knows how many of 1000s of rounds. Took it completely apart and cleaned it totally (first time ever) and it is running like new again.
I also have MKIII Hunter with a scope on it. It kills pine cones at 75 yards all day long. |
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Posted: 12/25/2010 8:25:24 AM
Best Accuracy.........what exactly are you looking for? I've read that soda cans at over 50 yards....Clay birds at 100 yards. First off, if you're looking for accuracy you will have to put away the bulk paks of ammo and buy some "good" 22 ammo. Eley comes to mind, along with a lot of other bands. Next, which pistol is the most accurate...let's take a look at what people are using in competition(not just plinking away on a Saturday morning at ther local public range). Since handgun silhouette starts at 25 yards and ends up at 100 yards I would have to say that this will be an excellent test of accuracy. Not shooting two or three times at a soda can at 50 yards, but one target, one shot. What gun is being used to shoot the highests scores?? Well, if you would have included ALL .22 pistols the TC Contender would have been the overwelming winner. This single shot pistol holds just about all the records. Hands down the most accurate, and realiable(since it's a single shot). But you're asking for a semi 22.........so what are the competitors using? I've seen a LOT of the old High Standards shooting some outstanding scores in IHMSA.(International Handgun Metalic Silhouette Association). The Ruger just don't stack up after 50 yards(perhaps the sights could use some help). So which Auto is/was King of the Hill? Easy....the orginial BuckMark Silhouette pistol, with it's heavy barrel(made with 10 and 14 inch). Back several years ago, when the Autos' had their own division(now they're combined with the single shots) the Buckmark Silhouette stood head and shoulders above the rest. Reliablity....no problem there...you can't afford to have a jam in competition.....
SO.....the question remains.....are you only looking for accuracy and realiablity at 25 yards or are you really looking for the holy grail of the BEST semi auto out there, in terms of the ultimate accuracy and realiablity? If the gun shoots under 1inch groups at 100 yards, imagine what the groups look like at 25 yards. Again, I mention the system of one target, one shot. If it takes two shots to hit your target, you're missing 50% of the time. I "plink" with a lot of shooters over the years....and when you're just having fun you're really not counting shots...when you hit the target, whether it's a tin can..swinger...or whatever, shooters have a tendency to "forget" that it took 2 or 3 shots to hit the target. We're having fun and we're not so serious as competition....but when the "money is one the line" it's back to "one shot, one target down". No room for error. I've been an active IHMSA competitor for 33 seasons....one missed shot in silhouette(in International class) and somebody else is going to eat your lunch for you. Just my thoughts. |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 11:24:31 AM
Some years back I purchased a Sig/Hammerili Trailside for my wife and it has proved to be a very nice gun, many rounds have been fired with no issues. I think as far as the best gun for longevity,accuracy it`s hard to beat a Ruger MK II/III especially if you spend a few bucks on it, they are very reliable. The only drawback I can see is the Ruger is heavy'
I`m in the market now for a 22 for myself and trying to deal with alll the options. At the moment the Ruger 22/45 with a LIGHT Tactical Solutions barrel may be the best option, it will be lightweight, accurate and it`s good looking also. I`m also looking at a conversion for the Glock or 1911 don`t know which is the most accurate, for course the 1911 will be heavy so that may be out though. To me the perfect 22 would be 23 ounces, with a mag capacity of 20, "easy field strip" accurate and have good longevity and not over $500 |
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Posted: 2/27/2011 10:18:18 AM
[Last Edit: 3/10/2011 9:30:42 AM by sauerpauer]
Over the last 40 yrs., I've owned a couple of S&W 41's, a High-Standard Victor (older model), several Rugers (Marks I and II), and my current Buckmark Stainless Camper. During those decades, I competed in NRA Conventional Pistol 900 matches with all but the Buckmark.
The Smiths were beautiful, classic designs, but no more accurate or reliable than the Rugers. The Rugers (all bull-barrels) were accurate and more or less reliable. Their triggers stink and even with Volquartsen replacements, only mediocre. I shot my new Buckmark yesterday and put a couple of hundred rounds through it. Some CCI mini-mags and Federal bulk. Even as a new pistol, functional reliability was 100 %, accuracy seemed equal to the best of the others, it had a better trigger out of the box than the Ruger even with the Volquartsen replacement and has absolutely the best ergonomics of all of them, IMO. I won't be able to make a conclusive accuracy comparison with the Ruger until I mount a red dot on the Buckmark and feed it CCI Standard velocity. |
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Posted: 3/23/2011 5:47:41 PM
Out of the options in the poll I'd say the S&W 41 is the most accurate.
If you want extreme accuracy you'll have to go with dedicated race guns like Hämmerli, Unique, Feinwerkbau, Morini, Walther (premium models only) etc... These guns are far superior to the ones listed in the poll but they also cost significantly more (which is why I bought a Ruger MKII). |
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Posted: 5/30/2011 10:20:58 PM
[Last Edit: 5/31/2011 8:53:06 PM by MikeSSS]
I shoot a Ruger MK II 6-7/8" heavy tapered barrel. Ammo is Remington Golden Bullet 525 count bulk or Federal 550 count bulk.
Function is 100% with either. Accuracy? I've never fired it off a bench but at 15 yards, with one hand, it chews a 2.5" hole in the target and it hits 10" steel plates at 50 yards all the time with two hands and about half the time with one hand. Problem: the previous owner polished the sear, polished it through the hard surface, eventually it failed. Solution: a Volquartsen sear and hammer, now all is well again. To me the trigger pull is pretty good. Cleaning: I used to clean the MK II after a couple hundred rounds, then I let it go for a couple thousand. That seemed to make no difference. Now I put a drop of CLP on bullet 5 and 10 in the magazine and some on the cases through the cutout in the side of the mag. Reason, I got used to this with a S&W K-22 revolver and with a Ruger Single Six, they need a little CLP in the chambers, every damned cylinder full, so ejection isn't a problem. After a few thousand rounds of using the CLP technique on the MK II, I took it apart for cleaning and it didn't seem to need much cleaning, it was still pretty clean. Buckmark: got a new one and took it out and shot it. Remington Golden Bullet bulk caused a lot of malfunctions. Seven mags, 70 rounds of Fed 550 bulk from Wally World ran flawlessly. The magazine disconnect was very easy to remove. Trigger pull was fair, not as good as the MK II with VQ sear and hammer. I'll flip the spring and shoot a few hundred rounds tomorrow and let you know the results. http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174356&page=4 One other thing, Ruger magazines are $18, Buckmark magazines are $30, on the web. If you need 10 or more for a league it makes a difference. Finally, the Ruger MK III 22 45 is available with 1911 style grips but it needs a lot of work to fix it for serious shooting. The Buckmark needs the mag disco removed and the spring flipped. Update: flipped the spring last night and took the Buckmark to the range today. It's trigger pull was probably better than my MK II with Volquartsen sear and hammer. Total round count with Federal bulk 550 count from Walmart is now 310, function has been 100% with this ammo. Offhand at only 7.5 yards the Buckmark shoots as well as the MK II, that is it shoots out the same size hole. Grip comfort is better with the BM and it shoots softer. The MK II's relatively heavy bolt slams into an inflexible steel pin, the shock is transmitted to the hand by the back of the grip which is narrow. The Buckmark's slide is lighter and it is stopped by a buffer. The resulting lower level of shock is transmitted to the hand by a wider and more rounded grip. So, the Buckmark is more comfortable to shoot. The MK II 678 has an undercut front sight, it is a lot easier to see than the Buckmark's more conventional front sight. |
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Posted: 7/19/2011 7:52:42 AM
Originally Posted By OdT:
Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Thanks, I actually had to clean the crap out of it tonight. I don't know how to post pics on here but I had to use a hammer to tap the brush through, got enough lead out to cast another slug out of it... I'll give it another scrub down before I take it out again and see if that takes care of the feeding problems. It was great for years and thousands of rounds but just lately been giving me trouble. Want to say it has between 3k-5k rounds through it... Right on. I have one MKII with well over 40k rounds through it, and it still shoots at least as well as new today. I also had the same problem happen to that same gun early on, where it started keyholing bullet holes on paper targets. Looked through the bore and there was almost enough of a hole left to push a pencil lead through it. I pushed out a 1.5" long 'casting' with a cleaning rod. Took a lot of force to do it too. The coated/dipped bullets won't ever cause that. Just the exposed lead ones common with standard velocity & target ammo. (It was Remington Thunderbolts that did it to mine. Rapid bulk fire )
Once I got it cleaned and working properly again, I swapped over to CCI Mini Mags, and the problem has never reoccurred again, even after some fairly extreme abuse. Scrub your chamber especially. Fouling at the front end of the chamber, near where the rifling begins, is likely what is preventing the bolt from sliding all the way home. (it takes fairly vigorous scrubbing in some cases. that crud bonds pretty hard from the heat, and it can be difficult to see too) I shoot cast bullets, and follow with 25-50 rounds of jacketed bullets to help remove leading. |
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Posted: 9/1/2011 9:52:27 AM
Been shooting a Ruger Mark III that came from an Olympic shooter (serial #5) that is one of the most accurate guns I've ever shot.
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Posted: 10/2/2011 6:34:12 PM
I have a Kimber conversion kit chambered in .22LR for my 1911. It works well, I like it. After every range trip I have to lube where the slide and the frame meet or else the weapon will not cycle after each shot when I go back to the range. I am also looking for a frame so my .45 upper can be paired with a lower, and I won't have to keep switching uppers and lowers.
I give the conversion kit a 8.5/10 |
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Posted: 10/20/2011 1:26:48 AM
Originally Posted By SkagSig40:
Originally Posted By REDMASTA:
why is the Sig Mos not in the poll? Because it it a total POS......pure junk. Funny because I feel the same exact way about my Walther P22 I had. The pot metal POS slide couldn't have been made any poorer. Of course mine was when they first came out, apparently they've improved them quite a bit. |
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Posted: 12/13/2011 12:09:59 PM
CZ Kadet... Too bad I can't vote
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Posted: 12/13/2011 12:20:26 PM
Ruger MK I,II,III
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Posted: 12/20/2011 6:26:49 PM
I notice Sig has a 1911 in .22 now for around $420.. What is the word on those?
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:42:36 AM
Originally Posted By sq40:
I notice Sig has a 1911 in .22 now for around $420.. What is the word on those? Tagged. Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Posted: 1/12/2012 10:26:51 PM
I have had a lot of .22 pistols over the last 40 years; they are easily my favorite thing to take out for an afternoon of fun at the range and I have shot competitively for many years as well. Currently I own a Ruger MkIII and have owned Mki and Mkii models as well and it is probablt the best all around pistol that I have had or shot over the years.
The other .22 pistols that I currently own are a Beretta model 89, Walther P22, S&W Model 41, S&W MP22 and a High Standard Supermatic S-101. They all have some advantages and some disadvantages. The Ruger is a little heavy and is a little difficult to strip down, but not bad; it's very durable, accurate and reliable and not ammo specific. The Beretta model 89 has a pretty large grip and is hard to get magazines for but it is a fantastic shooter; it's very accurate and reliable and not ammo specific. The Walther P22 is very lightweight and is flexible (I have the version with 2 different length barrels) it has been very reliable with a variety of ammo, but lacks great accuracy. The S&W 41 is an extremely accurate and reliable pistol with the right ammo, it's a bit heavy but feels good and it's expensive. The S&W MP22 is pretty new so I do not have a lot to say yet; it seems reliable and fairly accurate. The High Standard S-101 is a gun the I have had for about 42 years or so and it still is very hard to beat; as long as the magazine is in good shape it is perfectly reliable and it is as accurate as any of the others and runs any type of ammo. I think the one that stands out as an affordable, reliable accurate and durable gun that has many accessories available and shoots any ammo is the Ruger MkIII; I have owned about 4 Ruger Mk's since 1975 and they all have been fantastic in every respect. |
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Posted: 2/13/2012 9:59:43 PM
Houston High Standard 10X Citation, Vitarbo Grips add-ons. Classic, finnicky, capable of very good groups with the right ammo and marksman. Made as a "Camp Perry Competitor" several years ago. Probably NOT a mass-produced product and never intended to be. |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 10:55:03 AM
Originally Posted By ricksrifle:
Originally Posted By sq40:
I notice Sig has a 1911 in .22 now for around $420.. What is the word on those? Tagged. Inquiring minds want to know. It's a GSG with different markings and grips. Far as I know they are pretty good pistols. Mags are around 25-30 bucks though. |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 10:50:32 PM
Helpful thanks guys.
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