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Posted: 1/24/2009 1:06:27 AM EDT
I've decided to make this a chronicled step-by-step of my 1911 build. So whenever I file anything down or fit something in place I will publish it here! I'll even post my mess-ups! I expect many. This build will be made with common tools and no special expensive gunsmithing tools! Since this is my first build ever, please give me feedback! Good or bad, its all good feedback! Purpose: This 1911 is going to be for target, maybe home defense and for putting off the vibe, not a carry rig here. Why, because I already have target sights on it, I want it heavy and I wouldn't trust my first build for CCW duty So first thing first, here's a list of my parts that I have in hand: Barrel by Storm Lake for Caspian (SS) Barrel Bushing by EGW, (SS) Barrel Link kit, w pin by EGW (SS) Firing Pin Stop by Fusion, (B) Frame Series 70, Foster Industries (Caspian blem) recon with plunger tube and rail (Carbon Steel) Grip bushings by Fusion (SS) Grip Safety by Wilson High Ride 298B (B) Grips by Mil-Tac G10 grips. Beveled bottom, black and gray Recoil spring GI length guide rod by Fusion (SS) Recoil Spring cap by Fusion (SS) Hammer by Wilson Commander Deluxe (EDM, S7 Tool Steel) Hammer Strut by Wilson Deluxe (Carbon Steel) Magazine Catch unk manufac, Drilled Mainspring Housing by Nighthawk/Guncrafter Checkered w/lanyard loop (B) Plunger tube, integral Sear by Wilson Deluxe (B) (EDM, Carbon Steel) Sear Spring by Wilson Bullet Proof Slide Stop by Nighthawk? (SS) Slide by Fusion 45 acp Carbon Target rib-BOMAR- Pro Series Sights, Bomar-like Champion rear Sights, Fusion front Disconnector by Springfield courtesy of "effinNewGuy" because I forgot to order one Ejector by Fusion 45 ACP (B) Extractor by Fusion 45 ACP (B) Firing Pin by Ed Brown 1911 9mm Luger, 38 Super Series 70, 80 Stainless Steel Grip Screws by Fusion Torxs (SS) Magazine Release Lock by Cylinder & Slide (B) Trigger by Caspian Trik (SS/Aluminum) Complete Pin Set by Cylinder & Slide (B) Spring Pack by Wilson 1911 Government 45 ACP, wanted Wolff but the were sold out Ambi-tactical safety by Ed Brown (B) *Full length guide rod ditched for a USGI after build was completed ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Media: -Jerry Kuhnhausen’s book, The Colt .45 Automatic, Vol 1 (amazing book, but not very straightforward for weekend builders) -Jerry Kuhnhausen’s book, The Colt .45 Automatic, Vol 2 (which is detailed blueprints) AGI’s Video Armorer’s 1911 videos. Gene Shuey knows his stuff, just make sure you get one thats taught by Gene, because AGI has a few different 1911 courses. One is taught by a fat guy that is a gun shop tard and just covers 1911 basics like cleaning, and he put out bad information. The other four 1911 series's are actual building a 1911 taught by Gene and are good to go and HIGHLY recommended. I couldnt have finished this build with any success if wasnt for these videos by Gene Shuey. (for the last few weeks, I may have had a link to that AGI fat guy's craptastic video at Midwayusa, I apologize if anyone bought that crap. In the future, use these links.) AGI: Gene Shuey, upgrade an old 1911 to new AGI: Gene Shuey, build a hi-cap Caspian AGI: Gene Shuey, build a hi-cap STI AGI: Gene Shuey, all 3 above videos here AGI: Gene Shuey, 1911 troubleshooting Internet resources: Some guys blog about his 1911 build Brownells build a 1911....though, this is REALLY basic, you just build A boring 1911 here, not a custom IPSC gun or carry gun...just a regular old gun http://how-i-did-it.org/1911-project/index.html http://www.blindhogg.com/ ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Tools: (All from Harbor Freight... I'm not proud of that, but its the truth!) BAV (Big Ass Vice) Digital Calipers lots and lots of small files Shot filled hammer Aluminum barstock punch (too cheap to buy real Punches } DREMEL!!!!! HAHAHA safety glasses nail clippers diamond sharpening stone Qtips PBR (beer)...not to be combined with the dremel or ugly things happen 1000 grit Extra Virgin/Aluminum Oxide lapping compound Sharpie aka poor mans Dykem 220 grit automotive sandpaper 600 grit automotive sandpaper 1000 grit automotive sandpaper Sharp knife Block of Copper bar stock (used as a brass like punch) Drill Chamfering bit Loctite Red Loupe 10x, 20x would be better Vice Grips Automotive Feeler Gauge Lansky Knife sharpening stones Digital kitchen scale water jug small jug coat hanger pliers Large Flat head screwdriver Small Flat head screwdriver Finishing tools: 2-AA batteries taken apart for the Manganese MSDS Safety Warning! (for diy parkerizing) 1oz Naval Jelly for the Phosphoric acid MSDS Warning and always add acid to water(for diy parkerizing) 1/2gal distilled water Nitrile gloves Brake cleaner Infrared Thermometer Airbrush Heat gun Air Compressor Breakfree CLP Gun grease or Automotive Moly bearing grease Loctite Blue 1 Qtip ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Step 1: Organize parts, make this thread and measure frame to slide fit. The Sharpie is material I want to remove, except under the grips. The slide has the bomar already attached, got it in the EE. I don't have a sight remover, so Its gonna have to stay on. I'll have to work around it, which I expect will be a major pain in the ass. and here are some of my measuring notes, the Foster frame is very well made and the tolerances are great, and the Fusion Slide is a near perfect fit. I expect with some lapping compound, they will come together for a solid fit. My notes looks like crap, but the data is solid! Tune in tomorrow, I might have some pics up of my lapping the slide or Dehorning the frame. Any ideas as to what to do with the front strap? |
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Cool idea, looking forward to watching your progress. I see a project like this in my near future If you dont mind me asking do you have a rough idea what your into it moneywise on parts and tools?
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If you dont mind me asking do you have a rough idea what your into it moneywise on parts and tools? I made some good deals in the EE for some stuff so it doesn't sting as bad as retail, but about $1200 if you just ordered retail at Brownells or Midway. |
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I'm looking forward to seeing your progress too. I'm planning on doing a few things to my Sistema myself.
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nice.....I have to cut myown low profile sight slots.....and the front sight slot....and All I have so far is
a caspian recon frame and slide and a KART match barrel and bushing.... I have to make my own link... and still buy every thing else.... I will be checkering my front part of my grip.....well I will if I have time before the pistols due date.....if not it will be later.... |
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Take the elevation screw and set screw out of the bomar sight. Brass punch and hammer to remove it. Sight has to be elevated at 45 degrees or higher if the sight cut in the slide has "ears". No special tool needed.
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I like mine tight enough to need a tool, but not tight enough to break the plastic tools. It will loosen up over time if you clean your pistol often. My 1911 bushing was SO tight when I built it, now I don't need a tool. Which is another reason I endorse Bore Snakes.
Looks good so far. Glad to see your not afraid of a Dremel. |
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I like mine tight enough to need a tool, but not tight enough to break the plastic tools. It will loosen up over time if you clean your pistol often. My 1911 bushing was SO tight when I built it, now I don't need a tool. Which is another reason I endorse Bore Snakes. Looks good so far. Glad to see your not afraid of a Dremel. Whoa! Usually if I'm going to fit something like a $20ish bushing I'm going to remove mtal frome the cheap piece before I remove it from the slide or frame. |
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I like mine tight enough to need a tool, but not tight enough to break the plastic tools. It will loosen up over time if you clean your pistol often. My 1911 bushing was SO tight when I built it, now I don't need a tool. Which is another reason I endorse Bore Snakes. Looks good so far. Glad to see your not afraid of a Dremel. Whoa! Usually if I'm going to fit something like a $20ish bushing I'm going to remove mtal frome the cheap piece before I remove it from the slide or frame. there was a radius on the bushing, so to get the tightest fit, I had to radius the slide. Not a big deal at all. |
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looks like fun. maybe one day i will stop being cheap and lazy and build one of my own too.
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By fitting the slide to the bushing he can now replace the bushing quite easily at a later date.
I like your choice of Bushing. I use those exclusively now. Do you have a ball peen hammer polished up yet? Nothing fancy, I bought mine at Lowes then sanded and polished it. Also, Brownells has MX sanding wheels. I use the 1/2" diameter ones. They're great for feed ramps, grip safety blending and general polishing. Much finer than the red sanding drums and they last longer too. If you find yourself needing files from them, add the MX wheels (and file chalk) to the list! |
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Do you have a ball peen hammer polished up yet? no, my slide is over tight right now. I dont expect any peening will be necessary. A simple lapping job should be sufficient. However, I need to review my notes and form a cutting plan MX sanding wheels. I use the 1/2" diameter ones.
once my files arrive, I will be using those and various grits of wet sanding paper. I'm gonna try to not use the dremel much, but I'll defiantly keep those in mind... Thanks for the comments and suggestions everyone! good stuff |
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The grip safety. To shape it to the frame is much faster using wheels. Any kind. I start with the finer of the red drum wheels.
Cutting the frame tang is the easy part. Shaping the web portion, that's where you make or brake it. I'll start with a rat tail file on a GI spec frame. Finish the contour with the wheels. Looking forward to reading your progress. |
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That's awesome and I'm definitely taggin this. I'm waiting for my slide from Caspian and still making choices on parts. Going to sure help me. Keep up the good work
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this thread is great, might actually get me to dust off my work bench for a real project.
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As a dremel man myself I approve this build! Working with "non gun tools". I like your style
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Tag.
I have been told many times that this cannot be done. ETA: I own page 2. |
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With barrel and slide stop installed, how does the slide fit on the frame? Have any overhang at the back?
Check your firing pin alignment. When you get into the .050's your barrel is camming up pretty far. My goal is .041-.045. Too high is better than too low. Too low and you get 12 O'clock primer strikes and marginal radial lug engagement. Just FYI, yours is fine. Also, check this measurement once assembled too. This will show you how much play there is between the radiul lugs and the lower lugs when in full lock up. Some times drop in barrels are "fall in" barrels. You don't need the FP alignment tool. Headspace gage or spent case will work. Sharpie the back and insert in chamber. Assemble (no extractor). Insert firing pin and spring, push in until contact is made, either tap it or move the slide in and out of battery. This should give you a mark to show you where the firing pin is hitting. ETA: One last thing, while it's assembled there is one more thing you could check if haven't already. Rack it .25" out of battery, use a cleaning rod or aluminum rod (wrapped in masking tape) in the barrel and try to lift the back of the barrel up. You should have .010" clearance between the hood and slide. I'm sure it's fine (drop in) but it's good habit to check. If there is not enough clearance, when you shoot it the radial grooves might be damaged by the barral. |
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With barrel and slide stop installed, how does the slide fit on the frame? Have any overhang at the back? It fits good, with some slight overhang, which I plan on contouring later down the road Quoted:
Check your firing pin alignment. When you get into the .050's your barrel is camming up pretty far. My goal is .041-.045. Too high is better than too low. Too low and you get 12 O'clock primer strikes and marginal radial lug engagement. Just FYI, yours is fine. Yea, I should have been more clear on that. With the barrel bushing installed it was at .039 and with it removed and the barrel had some play it was at .051, either way it should be fine. I'll be sure to do all those other checks once I get a firing pin, thanks again for the help! |
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I was gonna ask if you were checking with the bushing installed....
A little overhang is better than an underbite on the slide/frame. |
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Here's a trick for your grip safety. It won't help you fit the grip safety but will help tremendously when fitting the thumb safeties and trigger parts.
If you cannot install and remove the grip safety WITH the mainspring housing installed (and pinned) in the frame, try the following: The bar that extends forward and blocks the trigger bow...take a round file and cut a notch on the top side just in front of where it meets with the main portion of the safety. Cut it about .100" deep to start. The goal is to file a notch that will allow the grip safety to clear the frame tang (once you cut it for the .25" radius). Being able to quickly install and remove the safety without removing the mainspring housing is a huge time saver. The STI safeties are already cut for this very same reason so if you need a visual, check out a pic of one of those. |
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Wow, this is a really cool thread! Can't wait to see this puppy finished!
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Nice photography! Looks like you are having a good time.
I'm going to tag this and keep returning. |
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bump, update soon. And thanks for the kind comments
and I'm looking for an ambi-safety and checkering files!! |
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Can you explain more about the areas you relieved and smoothed out on the frame. Alos what bits die you use in your dremel when you did the undercut? I have 3 Fosters Recon frames sitting here waiting for my first atempt at a 1911 build. Your guide is helping me a lot.
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Can you explain more about the areas you relieved and smoothed out on the frame. Alos what bits die you use in your dremel when you did the undercut? I have 3 Fosters Recon frames sitting here waiting for my first atempt at a 1911 build. Your guide is helping me a lot. I used the heavy grit sanding drum at very low speed. And, I am going to have to go over it with the fine grit drum, sand paper and sandblasting to get the scratches out because they will show up in finishing. I relieved the frame to fit my hand, I want a high grip to reduce felt recoil and to point better. I am also going to be raising the beavertail. I like a smoothed look and its nice to have something unique but functional, round corners wear better than sharp edges. |
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Step 6 cont: more frame contouring (mini-update) here I just started knocking the high spots down where the safety will go, should fit nice and flush now. It was surprisingly out of whack, took me about 30 minutes of slow grinding with an EZ-Lap diamond stone to get it flush. Also, those nice and new files in the background I haven't even touched yet Nearly all my work so far has been best fielded with the stone and dremel. http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7652 this pic is for the guys with Recon frames, this little corner here was really sharp, so if you contour it like this here it makes it much more comfortable when pointing. http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=7653 OH, I need an AMBI-SAFETY AND CHECKERING FILES if anyone has any they want to get rid of. Just a quick question. In that top picture, are you grinding the frame for to ensure it's flush? |
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Once you get the safeties you'll find that draw filing the frame (to ensure it's flat) is really not required. Most safeties won't fit flat anyway. You can't "adjust" cast metal parts if the shaft is not straight. Order SVI ambi's, they are machined from billet. Brown's work (also cast), SVI's are better. They are not cheap, but worth it.
For the undercut and the frame tangs (when you fit the grip safety) the 1/2" MX wheels are awesome. The kit is cheap and it comes with 50, 80, 120, 180 and 320 grit wheels. Brownells part number 084-000-021. It will help smooth out the sanding marks from the Dremel wheels. They last quite a while. Much faster than 'by hand'. Looking good. |
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Dude it's a good thing you don't use a hacksaw, you might kick me off my throne of DIY-ers. I love that you use a dremel for about anything. The slide bevel looks great. Magwell too. You have a good main spring housing. If you try to blend like you did with a less than ideal MS housing, the gap will never be small enough.
Understand about the safety gap now. I have my own pet peavs too that some might call just being anal. |
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and to think, i've foolishly been avoiding this thread... gaspain you're awesome.
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