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Posted: 9/19/2016 6:17:18 PM EDT
I'm getting a DW RZ10 next week and have read a couple reviews and seen a video that concerned me in regards to tolerances being so tight that the break in period can be extensive.  Anyone with experiences or break in recommendations they would like to share? (video in question below).  I know that every gun has some growing pains or hiccups from time to time, so I don't take this video with absolutes.



Link Posted: 9/19/2016 6:56:04 PM EDT
[#1]
I bought a Dan Wesson PointMan Major MP-1 used in around 2007 for around 550.  I had issues with it and ended up replacing the firing pin stop with a fitted one, and the extractor, sear, and barrel bushing.  I know believe that the previous owner simply had not fired it enough to break it in, although I was getting some clocking of the factory extractor.
Link Posted: 9/19/2016 8:39:03 PM EDT
[#2]

Had a DW Specialist and Valor in past,no issues what so ever.A friend wanted them more than I so off they went.

I currently have a DW Guardian in .38super and a DW Pointman PM-38 in .38super,no problems or issues of any kind.
All have been tight out of the box,but not tight enough that would produce any failures.
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 12:42:02 PM EDT
[#3]
I have a 10mm Sportsman that had a barrel ramp so fucked up that it would only feed maybe 2 rounds out of the mag.   After I fixed that, it ran fine. I wouldn't call it overly tight in the way that Baers are.

This gun was bought around 2011 FWIW.
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 12:47:10 PM EDT
[#4]
5 DW's here, Mom has 2 and Dad has 1 as well.  The stainless ones need to be broken in and with plenty of the proper lube to prevent galling, but other than that, they run very well.  This is covered in their instruction manual, as well as the lubes to use and not use, especially if the gun has the Duty Treat done to it. The stainless steel they use needs a thicker lube during break in, thinner stuff like Rem Oil is too thin and the steel can gall as it wears/laps itself in.  Once the gun wears itself it, you have a very smooth, slick and accurate pistol.  Out of the 8 DW's I have had/used, 2 had to go back due to a bad batch of extractors (both were ECO 9mm's from the same serial # range that both got the bad part).  DW swapped out the extractors, did some extra polishing and we had them back a couple weeks later, no issues since.

.45 ACP DW's
Valor
VBOB SS
VBOB Duty Treat
Guardian
CBOB SS

9mm:
PM-9
ECO 9mm x2
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 1:14:58 PM EDT
[#5]
I bought a new Dan Wesson CBOB several years ago.  I pulled it apart, cleaned it, lubed it, and took it to the range.  On the 4th round, the slide locked up on the frame (just like in the video above, but tighter).......so tight that I had to thump it a few times with a rubber mallet in order to get it to move. Once I got the slide off of the frame I noticed all kinds of galling on the rails.....The tolerances were so tight, as soon as the gun heated up a little bit...it seized up.  Very disappointing to say the least.  

I called Dan Wesson, and they had me send the gun back. They ended up smoothing out the rails, and got it loosened up where it was supposed to be. I've since ran thousands of rounds through the gun and it's been great.....but to answer your questions, YES, they set up their guns way too tight.
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 3:18:33 PM EDT
[#6]
I have a stainless Valor with close to 5000 rounds on it and I did not follow the factory recommended break in procedure. I clean it every 1000 rounds and lube it before each session. I've had no issues with it and it is still very tight. My belief is that adequate lube is the key to not having issues.



As an aside, I had a brand new Colt stainless XSE Commander lock up on the 3rd round like the poster above me describes. I couldn't break the slide and frame free until I got home.












 
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 3:36:13 PM EDT
[#7]
I just watched the video and a few things jumped out at me.





1. He has no idea what he's doing with a 1911.


2. He used grease for the first firing.


3. He used little to no oil for the second firing.


 
Link Posted: 9/20/2016 5:02:15 PM EDT
[#8]
lol...You haven't seen a tight 1911 unless you've handled a Baer .....Dan Wessons are great 1911's....arguably the best production 1911 you can get. The tolerances aren't as tight as a Baer, but they don't need to be either.....shoot it and enjoy it.

FWIW my Baer has never had a malfunction....not even during its "break in" period....so the tight tolerance thing is moot IMHO.
Link Posted: 9/21/2016 8:37:19 PM EDT
[#9]
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lol...You haven't seen a tight 1911 unless you've handled a Baer .....Dan Wessons are great 1911's....arguably the best production 1911 you can get. The tolerances aren't as tight as a Baer, but they don't need to be either.....shoot it and enjoy it.

FWIW my Baer has never had a malfunction....not even during its "break in" period....so the tight tolerance thing is moot IMHO.
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I don't think any gun should, or needs to be machined so tight that if you don't lube it exactly right, does use the exact right lube, and don't follow the manufactures break-in instructions to the letter....it will lock up on you.  That's crap.  

Tight tolerances is one thing....but so tight that a little heat from firing the gun gives you an interference fit and locks up is something different. No wonder why people give 1911's have a bad reputation for being unreliable......because manufactures are making them way to tight for no reason at all.

Link Posted: 9/21/2016 10:30:02 PM EDT
[#10]
Baer doesn't fit the slide any tighter than anyone else.  Their tightness comes from the slide stop wedging the barrel tightly into lockup.  After several hundred rounds the lugs and slide stop come to an agreement.  They can get away with it because of the relatively heavy recoil spring in a .45.
Link Posted: 9/21/2016 10:39:58 PM EDT
[#11]
The word you guys want is CLEARANCE not tolerance. Also not to be confused with allowance. The 3 are often confused.

You can have 2 1911s sitting on a table. One rattles like a maraca, the other so tight you have to press it against a table to rack the slide. They could both be manufactured to the same tolerances, but one has far more clearance. Tolerance is an acceptable deviation from a nominal dimension. It means little to you as a consumer, until you go to changing components anyway. Clearance is the distance/space between mating components.

Tolerance could be an issue, but not in the way you guys imply. The slide could have been out of tolerance, either dimensionally or surface finish or both.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 7:14:45 AM EDT
[#12]
I've got a .45 ECO, and very deliberately shot two boxes of ammunition, cleaned the pistol, shot two more boxes.  By the time I had cleaned it a third time, any slight slide hesitation was gone and it works perfectly.  This really is a beautifully-made firearm, and I had no problem with breaking it in.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 11:15:49 AM EDT
[#13]
Watching this guy try to reassemble his RZ-10 was like chewing crushed glass. He needs to stick to reviewing guns he understands. He lubed it up and then wiped all the lube off before putting the slide on.

I've had an RZ-10 for 5 or 6 years and couldn't be happier with it. I use Rig +P+ Stainless lube on the slide and frame rails. No issues.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 11:27:31 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I'm getting a DW RZ10 next week and have read a couple reviews and seen a video that concerned me in regards to tolerances being so tight that the break in period can be extensive.  Anyone with experiences or break in recommendations they would like to share? (video in question below).  I know that every gun has some growing pains or hiccups from time to time, so I don't take this video with absolutes.



https://youtu.be/HTL67YUEve4
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Except Glocks and Tanfoglios.  They purr out the box.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 12:17:35 PM EDT
[#15]
I just took possession of an ECO 9mm.  Previous owner stated it had less than 150rds on it, and it certainly looks that way.  I put 150 through it this morning using the two mags it came with.........flawless operation.  Fed every round, fired each without incident, locked back every time the mag was empty.  Very nice shooter.  I'm thrilled with it at this early timeframe.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 1:36:56 PM EDT
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Watching this guy try to reassemble his RZ-10 was like chewing crushed glass. He needs to stick to reviewing guns he understands. He lubed it up and then wiped all the lube off before putting the slide on.

I've had an RZ-10 for 5 or 6 years and couldn't be happier with it. I use Rig +P+ Stainless lube on the slide and frame rails. No issues.
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I was assuming they were RemOil wipes, but the guy seems rather clueless so who knows. Not enough oil at any rate.
Link Posted: 9/22/2016 1:55:26 PM EDT
[#17]
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The word you guys want is CLEARANCE not tolerance. Also not to be confused with allowance. The 3 are often confused.

You can have 2 1911s sitting on a table. One rattles like a maraca, the other so tight you have to press it against a table to rack the slide. They could both be manufactured to the same tolerances, but one has far more clearance. Tolerance is an acceptable deviation from a nominal dimension. It means little to you as a consumer, until you go to changing components anyway. Clearance is the distance/space between mating components.

Tolerance could be an issue, but not in the way you guys imply. The slide could have been out of tolerance, either dimensionally or surface finish or both.
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I'm glad someone came here to explain this........I agree 100%
Link Posted: 9/29/2016 1:45:53 AM EDT
[#18]
I have zero tolerance/sympathy for people who don't follow the manufacturer's advice and fail.  The manufacturer wants their product to provide optimum performance.  
My Vbob came impressively snug.  I read the instructions, kept it wet, and it functioned flawlessly and grouped very nicely during the break-in process.  I'm sold on DW.
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