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Posted: 6/25/2015 10:16:17 PM EDT
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Because the feedlips spread way too soon, and they have weak springs that let the mag inertia feed. Damn near every single person who complains of 'Failure to Return to Battery' malfunctions, and/or extractors 'losing tension', are using Wilson mags. I've been down that road too many times with too many people to even have a shred of hesitation when I say Wilson mags are junk. Even the ETMs have weak springs that don't last any longer than the 47D springs. Seen that first hand too. Another thing that exacerbates the problem is people going with 17 & 19lb mainsprings in hopes of lightening the trigger pull. It needs a 23lb to keep the slide velocity in check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks I have seen the above 10-8 article before. They actually recommended wilson etm mags, so again I would ask why wilson mags are junk? Because the feedlips spread way too soon, and they have weak springs that let the mag inertia feed. Damn near every single person who complains of 'Failure to Return to Battery' malfunctions, and/or extractors 'losing tension', are using Wilson mags. I've been down that road too many times with too many people to even have a shred of hesitation when I say Wilson mags are junk. Even the ETMs have weak springs that don't last any longer than the 47D springs. Seen that first hand too. Another thing that exacerbates the problem is people going with 17 & 19lb mainsprings in hopes of lightening the trigger pull. It needs a 23lb to keep the slide velocity in check. I'm a fan of tripps over everything else - but those flatwire springs in the new ETMs are the stiffest i've ever used on any mag of any make |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 7:03:45 AM EDT
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Because the feedlips spread way too soon, and they have weak springs that let the mag inertia feed. Damn near every single person who complains of 'Failure to Return to Battery' malfunctions, and/or extractors 'losing tension', are using Wilson mags. I've been down that road too many times with too many people to even have a shred of hesitation when I say Wilson mags are junk. Even the ETMs have weak springs that don't last any longer than the 47D springs. Seen that first hand too. Another thing that exacerbates the problem is people going with 17 & 19lb mainsprings in hopes of lightening the trigger pull. It needs a 23lb to keep the slide velocity in check. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks I have seen the above 10-8 article before. They actually recommended wilson etm mags, so again I would ask why wilson mags are junk? Because the feedlips spread way too soon, and they have weak springs that let the mag inertia feed. Damn near every single person who complains of 'Failure to Return to Battery' malfunctions, and/or extractors 'losing tension', are using Wilson mags. I've been down that road too many times with too many people to even have a shred of hesitation when I say Wilson mags are junk. Even the ETMs have weak springs that don't last any longer than the 47D springs. Seen that first hand too. Another thing that exacerbates the problem is people going with 17 & 19lb mainsprings in hopes of lightening the trigger pull. It needs a 23lb to keep the slide velocity in check. Ok thanks for your input. I guess I have just been very fortunate so far that my 1911's haven't had a catastrophic failure. I'll stay vigilante on these issues. Funny that both my Nighthawks are sprung 18# recoil 19# mainspring. Dan wesson specialist is 18#/18#. Both series 70 colts I have are 16/23. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 5:27:48 PM EDT
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Ok thanks for your input. I guess I have just been very fortunate so far that my 1911's haven't had a catastrophic failure. I'll stay vigilante on these issues. Funny that both my Nighthawks are sprung 18# recoil 19# mainspring. Dan wesson specialist is 18#/18#. Both series 70 colts I have are 16/23. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks I have seen the above 10-8 article before. They actually recommended wilson etm mags, so again I would ask why wilson mags are junk? Because the feedlips spread way too soon, and they have weak springs that let the mag inertia feed. Damn near every single person who complains of 'Failure to Return to Battery' malfunctions, and/or extractors 'losing tension', are using Wilson mags. I've been down that road too many times with too many people to even have a shred of hesitation when I say Wilson mags are junk. Even the ETMs have weak springs that don't last any longer than the 47D springs. Seen that first hand too. Another thing that exacerbates the problem is people going with 17 & 19lb mainsprings in hopes of lightening the trigger pull. It needs a 23lb to keep the slide velocity in check. Ok thanks for your input. I guess I have just been very fortunate so far that my 1911's haven't had a catastrophic failure. I'll stay vigilante on these issues. Funny that both my Nighthawks are sprung 18# recoil 19# mainspring. Dan wesson specialist is 18#/18#. Both series 70 colts I have are 16/23. Heavy recoil springs and light mainsprings is what so-called high end manufacturers do to be cute. Makes it sound more custom or something. Wilson finally gave that shit up and went to 25lb mainsprings and small radius firing pin stops to try get their mags work. ROFL. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 2:51:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, lube. My RO will stop feeding if the slide and frame rails get dry. A few drops of motor oil on occasion and no stoppages. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My kimber likes to be run wet you could try more lube while it's so new. Wwb ammo has given me trouble in the past being out of spec usually too long won't go into battery. Did you eject the rounds and re use the same bullet without any trouble? Yep, lube. My RO will stop feeding if the slide and frame rails get dry. A few drops of motor oil on occasion and no stoppages. That's no shit. My RO likes to be well lubed, it's the only Achilles Heel I have found with that gun. That being said, I shoot some fairly dirty handloads. They're dirty, but shoot extremely well so I leave it alone. I don't mind a little extra cleaning. I went about 8K rounds without cleaning the extractor. It started having failures to return to battery like crazy. I knew the problem, I was just trying to see how far I could push it.  ETA: I use CMC mags. I have had bad luck with Wilsons, even though most seem to like them. I just read the rest of the thread and it seems the OP hasn't quite got it figured out yet. I would look up how to tension the extractor and give that a shot. IME mags and extractors are the problem areas. ETA2: My post became kind of scatter minded. To answer the original question I expect no failures when properly taken care of. I don't mean clean every box of ammo, every thousand rounds of so shouldn't be too hard. I have yet to own a handgun that is more reliable than my 1911 with the exception of revolvers. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 3:13:09 AM EDT
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That being said, what do you consider to be an acceptble failure/stoppage rate in a 1911 carry pistol? In a correctly built 1911, none. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:54:55 PM EDT
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None in 5,000 rounds.
Wilson CQB with ETM mags. Cleaned every <500 rounds. Recoil Spring replaced at 3,000. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 12:13:18 AM EDT
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I expect them to run 100% with ball ammo right out of the box. I have several 1911's, mostly Colts and this has always been the case with new guns. Some older guns may need new springs and magazines to function properly. My experience with a 2012 production Colt mirrors this. It only jams when my 47D mag springs wear out, predictably with the last couple rounds (standard velocity). With my slower cycling reloads the gun continues to function. The gun is so reliable that I'm hesitant to change the barrel. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 4:00:04 PM EDT
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It should run just like any other quality semi-auto. I'm right at the 1,000 round mark on my SA Loaded I bought in March. It has run 100% on ball, hollow point, and a few mags of 200 grain LSWC handloads. I've used Wilson 47 (not 47D), CMC Powermags, one Tripp Cobra mag, and SA GI-type seven round mags. I've cleaned it once since the initial cleaning before I fired it for the first time, and it's full of sludgy looking crud yet it keeps going. I've loaded empty cases in with live ammo just to see if it would hang up, but it won't. I apply Wilson Ultima-Lube II Universal every now and then just to make sure it's lubricated properly.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 4:02:47 PM EDT
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The most recent round of Marine trials for them was less than 1 failure per 300 rounds fired.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:17:58 PM EDT
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OP, IMO there are 2 mistakes that new 1911 owners make. 1.) Shitty mags 2.) Overlube
I've done both. I've had failures do to both. Find some mags that your gun likes and use them. Do not, I repeat do not use the lube guide that is posted in the 1911 resource page. I did exactly that and both of my 1911's became jam-o-matics. (I use a light film of Slip 2000 EWL & a light film of Tetra gun grease on the slide rails) On the mags, I've had failures with 47D, Chip McCormick, ACT-MAG, Colt/Checkmate and ETM's(this might of been the overlube issue I spoke of earlier). There is one mag I've never had an issue with and that is Tripp Cobra mags. Tripp's are the only ones I use in my carry gun and I will use ETM's or 47D's w/ ETM followers and springs for the range. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 11:50:38 PM EDT
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OP, IMO there are 2 mistakes that new 1911 owners make. 1.) Shitty mags 2.) Overlube I've done both.
I've had failures do to both. Find some mags that your gun likes and use them. Do not, I repeat do not use the lube guide that is posted in the 1911 resource page. I did exactly that and both of my 1911's became jam-o-matics. (I use a light film of Slip 2000 EWL & a light film of Tetra gun grease on the slide rails) On the mags, I've had failures with 47D, Chip McCormick, ACT-MAG, Colt/Checkmate and ETM's(this might of been the overlube issue I spoke of earlier). There is one mag I've never had an issue with and that is Tripp Cobra mags. Tripp's are the only ones I use in my carry gun and I will use ETM's or 47D's w/ ETM followers and springs for the range. My opinion is that over-lube is a myth/greatly overblown. My custom 1911 is plenty tight, with a lot of metal on metal that needs lubricant. I'm sure it could run wet, but metal on metal wears, lubricant has its purpose there. Yes, it's possible to try to lube up your extractor and make it clock a little bit, that I've heard of, but "turning a 1911 into a jamamatic", I'm thinking your gun had other problems brother? Concur on the tripps being a well made mag Video title: "The myth of over-lubrication" 
A 1911 is not specifically shown but same principle applies |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:24:10 AM EDT
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Any pistol not just 1911 if someone finds even a single failure is say 500 or a thousand rounds unacceptable they better start carrying a revolver!
I do not consider the 1911 to be allowed any higher failure rate than any other handgun I deem acceptable for carry. But a rate of less than 1 percent sounds pretty good to me. Malfunction drills are taught for a reason. Any gun can malfunction inexplicably at times ! A red herring once in a blue moon malfunction should not trigger an endless search for some correctable cause. A pattern of malfunctions is a whole other story. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 4:13:16 PM EDT
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1911s can be finicky, they are all a little different despite having the same basic design. It's definitely not a Glock or HK, but I love my 1911s too. Hard to beat a 1911 trigger.
The $1000+ Springfields are probably the best bet without spending $2000+ on one of the higher end manufacturers. Kimber is probably not the best, but YMMV. They sell a lot of them. I like Ed Brown's magazines, they seem top quality. I have been through all types of Wilson, colt, metalform elite, etc. (EDIT- I also like Tripp cobra mags, and they're pretty) |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:36:38 PM EDT
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2 Colt's with some work run 100%
STI out of the box, 100% 1000's of rounds with no failures. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 3:13:03 AM EDT
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I've got a SA TRP with over 15,000 rounds through it.
With good springs, mags, and ammo it runs 100%, all the time, every time. On some of the weaker mags I get a failure to lock back every now and then. I've had less than 25 stoppages over those 15,000 rounds. All of them were due to bad ammo, either too short or long, and/or high primers. I put it through a shooting class last year. Over 800 rounds in one day without cleaning. Only one stoppage during the final hour because the gun was literally filled with thick, gluey black sludge. I've got a topic started with pics in the archives. My TRP is just as reliable as a Glock. I carry it on duty at work as well as compete USPSA with it. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 5:43:42 AM EDT
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Acceptable faliure rate is "Zero" especially if you plan to carry the gun.
Go on "You Tube" and see how to check your extractor tension. It's very common on 1911's to have too much or too little tension. Both are bad. The Wilson mags are fine. Recoil spring change; every 2000 rounds on a full size 5" gun. every 1500 rounds on a 4" commander size. And every 500 rounds on the 3" subcompacts. Last Winchester ammo is loaded on the weak side. Go with full speed ball ammo. Federal American eagle meets all specs for normal velocity "Hardball" ammo |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:58:21 AM EDT
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WWB 45 is every bit as stout as hardball should be. I've shot thousands of 'em.
And Wilson mags are NOT fine unless they're the +p 47s or +pETMs. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 2:22:40 PM EDT
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How do you over-lube a non captivated system?
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Posted: 7/1/2015 5:57:34 PM EDT
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Anything mechanical can and will fail. Having said that a properly built 1911 properly maintained using good mags and ammo has no higher failure rate than any other.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 7:32:20 PM EDT
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Anything mechanical can and will fail. Having said that a properly built 1911 properly maintained using good mags and ammo has no higher failure rate than any other. ^ This Personally I feel that anyone who give the classic "zero failure rate is the only one tolerable" is full of it. EVERY gun is capable of failures. If you've never had a failure in your gun, you're probably not shooting it enough. Hell, the failure rate of ammunition isn't zero, so for one reason or another a failure will happen occasionally. I've seen similar FTFeed in my SA Loaded as the mainspring got softer, replaced it with a new one and problem solved. Train for clearing the failures, go out shooting, enjoy it, and have fun. |
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