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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:25:09 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I've decided I'm going to join the ranks of 1911 ownership, after owning pretty much ever other handgun type you can think of. Like the world of AK's, I'm a late bloomer in respect to 1911's, but that's going to change this weekend. The 1911 of choice is going to be a TRP....here's the question. What is the difference between the TRP, TRP Tactical and the TRP Operator? All I'm getting is a difference between light rails and no rails, combat sights, or adjustable sights. Can anyone tell me, specifically, what the differences are between the 3 models I referenced? (TRP, TRP Tactical, and TRP Operator) |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:45:21 AM
There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing.
The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It willhave the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:51:14 AM
Originally Posted By skipsan:
There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing. The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It willhave the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. You're right about the operator rollmarks. The only other variation is the trp champion operator. They built them for a little while but not sure if they'll ever do it again. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:12:23 AM
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Originally Posted By skipsan: There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing. The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It willhave the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. Ok, so I got the sights/rail differences. And the MC Operator's have a 2-tone paint scheme. Not being real fluent in the 1911 world, is there an advatage/disadvantage to the guide rod and barrel differences, or essentially when it comes to the TRP line, are those differences really just splitting hairs? The TRP's that have the "Tactical" roll mak and the TRP's that have the "Operator" roll mark, what's the difference? Or is there none? |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:38:49 AM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 10:39:49 AM by skipsan]
Originally Posted By M4:
Originally Posted By skipsan:
There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing. The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It will have the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. Ok, so I got the sights/rail differences. And the MC Operator's have a 2-tone paint scheme. Not being real fluent in the 1911 world, is there an advatage/disadvantage to the guide rod and barrel differences, or essentially when it comes to the TRP line, are those differences really just splitting hairs? The TRP's that have the "Tactical" roll mak and the TRP's that have the "Operator" roll mark, what's the difference? Or is there none? I believe all models of the TRP have TRP abd Tactical roll-marked on them. The word "Operator" is Springfields designator for light rail, so the TRP Operatoe will have a light rail and the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. Any model Springfield tha has a light rail will have the word Operatoe on the slide. Regarding the bull barrel, I peraonally have no use for them, but others do. It's a matter of personal preference. I replaced the two-piece full length guide rod on my TRPs with a generic g.i. configuration (snubby). Got tires of the damn two-piece guide rod umscrewing. Many do the same thing. No difference im function or reliability. The adjustable sights on the TRP Operator are a contradiction末in my opinion. Why have adjustable (target) sights on what is supposed to be a combat pistol? All-in-all, the TRP Operator is an odd combination of featurea末light rail, bull barrel, and target sights. Springdield's flagship 1911, the Pro, has a light rail (if you choose that model), a conventional bushing barrel, a snubby guide rod, and fixed combat sights. This is what a combat pistol shold be末in my opinion末not a random collection of odd-ball features. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:00:46 PM
Originally Posted By skipsan: Originally Posted By M4: Originally Posted By skipsan: There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing. The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It will have the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. Ok, so I got the sights/rail differences. And the MC Operator's have a 2-tone paint scheme. Not being real fluent in the 1911 world, is there an advatage/disadvantage to the guide rod and barrel differences, or essentially when it comes to the TRP line, are those differences really just splitting hairs? The TRP's that have the "Tactical" roll mak and the TRP's that have the "Operator" roll mark, what's the difference? Or is there none? I believe all models of the TRP have TRP abd Tactical roll-marked on them. The word "Operator" is Springfields designator for light rail, so the TRP Operatoe will have a light rail and the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. Any model Springfield tha has a light rail will have the word Operatoe on the slide. Regarding the bull barrel, I peraonally have no use for them, but others do. It's a matter of personal preference. I replaced the two-piece full length guide rod on my TRPs with a generic g.i. configuration (snubby). Got tires of the damn two-piece guide rod umscrewing. Many do the same thing. No difference im function or reliability. The adjustable sights on the TRP Operator are a contradiction末in my opinion. Why have adjustable (target) sights on what is supposed to be a combat pistol? All-in-all, the TRP Operator is an odd combination of featurea末light rail, bull barrel, and target sights. Springdield's flagship 1911, the Pro, has a light rail (if you choose that model), a conventional bushing barrel, a snubby guide rod, and fixed combat sights. This is what a combat pistol shold be末in my opinion末not a random collection of odd-ball features. Ok, so sounds like the regular TRP is where its at, in respect to the model that is delivered with the most common sense features (minus a rail). The guide rob replacement is something Ive read about as well, guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Thanks for all the help, much appreciated.  |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:11:40 PM
Originally Posted By lowonair:
Originally Posted By skipsan:
There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing. The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It willhave the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. You're right about the operator rollmarks. The only other variation is the trp champion operator. They built them for a little while but not sure if they'll ever do it again. Fixed unless I missed a model. They did do a TRP Champion, but not a TRP Champion Operator I've seen |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 4:24:02 PM
Originally Posted By forgotmylogin:
Originally Posted By lowonair:
Originally Posted By skipsan:
There are currently two TRP models. The basic TRP can be either stainless or painted black. It will have night sights and a standard bushing barrel with a two-piece full length guide rod. It will have TRP roll-marked on the aft end of the slide and Tactical roll-marked on the lhs of the frame. The stainless and black basic TRPs have different model nu,bers, but they are essentially identicle except for the stainless/black thing. The second model is the TRP Operator. It will have a light rail and a bull-barrel. It will also have adjustable night sights. It will be painted black. It willhave the word Operator roll-marked on the slide. I assume it has TRP roll-marked on the slide and Tactical on the frame but don't have one on-hand to verify that. Except for the differences noted, they are otherwise identicle. You're right about the operator rollmarks. The only other variation is the trp champion operator. They built them for a little while but not sure if they'll ever do it again. Fixed unless I missed a model. They did do a TRP Champion, but not a TRP Champion Operator I've seen You're right. In fact there's one for sale on gunbroker right now. I'd buy it but I need other guns first. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:04:09 PM
Here's my TRP Operator full rail
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:21:43 AM
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What is the benefit of a full rail v. the partial rail?
It appears that the full rail is the same gun, but with more bulk/weight. If the rail is used exclusively for carrying a light, which might use half of that rail space, what's the rest of that rail going to provide? Beautiful gun faawrenchbndr, just wondering what the advantage of a full rail actually is. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:34:28 AM
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What is the benefit of a full rail v. the partial rail? It appears that the full rail is the same gun, but with more bulk/weight. If the rail is used exclusively for carrying a light, which might use half of that rail space, what's the rest of that rail going to provide? Beautiful gun faawrenchbndr, just wondering what the advantage of a full rail actually is. The full rail adds bulk (mass) to the front of the pistol which serious shooters claim improves accuracy of follow-up shots. It has no other function. Les Baer has a line of pistols (Mono) which have the same blocky shape as the full-rail Operator, but the Baer has no rail cut into the dust cover. I jave one of these, and other tham being heavier, O can't tell the difference between it and it's conventional brothers. The full rail severely limits the choice and availability of holsters I personally think railed lights should be left to the professional LEOs and .mils. My preference as a non-pro is for a seperate light and pistol for obvious reasons. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:07:38 AM
The main function of the full rail is looking bad ass
At least that is why I bought mine  |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:02:16 PM
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Well, just got back home with my 1st 1911:
 Don't really like the grips, anyone have a link to a good selection of 1911 grips, preferably G10 types? VZ? Others? |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 3:55:36 PM
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Originally Posted By M4: Well, just got back home with my 1st 1911: http://www.fastfirearms.com/images/products/detail/springfield_0210382.jpg Don't really like the grips, anyone have a link to a good selection of 1911 grips, preferably G10 types? VZ? Others? Congrats on your 1st 1911! The grips on your TRP are made by Mil-Tac and are of G10 material. The other source you mentioned is VZ Grips. My preference is their Operators II - although the new Slant grips look pretty cool. Then there's Larry Davidson's Monkey Grips. Wilson Combat also has a selection of G10 grips as does 10-8 Performance. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 4:11:26 PM
Originally Posted By M4:
Well, just got back home with my 1st 1911: http://www.fastfirearms.com/images/products/detail/springfield_0210382.jpg Don't really like the grips, anyone have a link to a good selection of 1911 grips, preferably G10 types? VZ? Others? What do you dislike about them? |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:13:20 PM
Nice first 1911.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 8:34:08 PM
Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
The main function of the full rail is looking bad ass At least that is why I bought mine 
Yep looks badass so i had to have one. The full rail makes a great saw for clearing brush and small trees |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 8:49:54 PM
Originally Posted By ausher1880: You shoot that thing? Got no wear marks. Full rail does look sweet though.Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: The main function of the full rail is looking bad ass At least that is why I bought mine http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/ausher/DSCN0705.jpg Yep looks badass so i had to have one. The full rail makes a great saw for clearing brush and small trees  One extractor, recoil spring, firing pin spring and 8032 round later.  TRP Love  |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:40:08 PM
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Originally Posted By lowonair: Originally Posted By M4: Well, just got back home with my 1st 1911: http://www.fastfirearms.com/images/products/detail/springfield_0210382.jpg Don't really like the grips, anyone have a link to a good selection of 1911 grips, preferably G10 types? VZ? Others? What do you dislike about them? I don't really care for the texture, and the colors for that matter. The front strap on the TRP is like a cheese grater, I'm looking for a more subdued texture on the grips, ordered VZ Gator Backs grips in black.
I put 100 rounds through it yesterday and it shot like a champ, very accurate gun.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:54:07 PM
Originally Posted By M4:
Originally Posted By lowonair:
Originally Posted By M4:
Well, just got back home with my 1st 1911: http://www.fastfirearms.com/images/products/detail/springfield_0210382.jpg Don't really like the grips, anyone have a link to a good selection of 1911 grips, preferably G10 types? VZ? Others? What do you dislike about them? I don't really care for the texture, and the colors for that matter. The front strap on the TRP is like a cheese grater, I'm looking for a more subdued texture on the grips, ordered VZ Gator Backs grips in black. I put 100 rounds through it yesterday and it shot like a champ, very accurate gun. The front strap is the thing I disliked most on my TRP. I finally found one of the older loaded full rail guns that is a little more to my liking |
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