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Posted: 6/21/2012 6:56:48 PM
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Posted: 6/21/2012 7:20:27 PM
But it can talk! Every fired case has a story. It's up to us to take the time to figure it out. Stretch marks, cracks, primer flow, piercing, damaged rim, dents, excessive soot are the vocabulary.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:19:37 PM
That's right.
Brass talks. If you were to load exactly 7 pieces of once fired brass and hand cycle what would each piece say ? |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 10:32:13 PM
Mine would ask me to have my extractor tuned.
Its naws on the cartridge rim like a big lady with a chicken bone. |
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:27:16 PM
"Come on man add a couple more grains so ALL of your Unique burns".
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:32:48 PM
[Last Edit: 6/23/2012 4:17:29 PM by Fantomas]
FDDPL
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:32:25 AM
If you wish to participate, the only concern or comments should be.
1.) My pistol feeds empty brass. 2.) My pistol won't feed empty brass. 3.) I don't understand, make your point. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:50:31 AM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
If you wish to participate, the only concern or comments should be. 1.) My pistol feeds empty brass. 2.) My pistol won't feed empty brass. 3.) I don't understand, make your point. Could I request a #3 for please tell me more? |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:55:11 AM
MIne would say my caspian was fucking flawless, my sig became that way after 250 rounds and a thorough lubing and my RIA, took and introduction to Jesus to become that way.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 9:51:39 AM
It would tell me the lugs on the match barrel that's fitted to the gun are cut a little shallow so the barrel sits slightly high in relation to the firing pin. But, the gun has been 100% reliable, and haven't seen any light primer strikes, even with ammo that has small pistol primers.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:00:58 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 12:11:30 PM by 1911smith]
Originally Posted By HarryVoyager:
Could I request a #3 for please tell me more? If we could get past some 1911 bravado and religous metaphors. I'd like to point out some, or at least one sign of tolerance stacking within feed channel. Not sure folks will be honest enough with themselves to get any value from this or not. So lets try a poll. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:03:35 PM
My Springfield Milspec will feed and eject empty brass.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:48:56 PM
Dan Wesson Valor will feed with Metalform Elite mag. Will not with Checkmate Ext.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:31:32 PM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
If you wish to participate, the only concern or comments should be. 1.) My pistol feeds empty brass. 2.) My pistol won't feed empty brass. 3.) What does it matter?. Fixed that for you... |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:16:39 PM
When I first bought it, (used), my Delta Elite would feed empty brass.
Unfortunately, it had a problem feeding live cartridges. I finally got it to feed live cartridges reliably. Now, it won't feed empty brass any more. I like it better this way. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:38:16 PM
Grendalbane,
There's four stages to 1911 controlled feed. Through Up Over In Cartridge is controlled at two points. Bullet ogive and case rim. Adequately tuned pistols will feed both loaded and empty brass. You've got a tuning issue at one or more points in feed cycle. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:38:21 PM
God I love having mine right nearby... and a bucket of brass
NO! It doesn't |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:37:34 PM
I have done this before with mine. It's a modified SA Mil Spec but when I say modified it has a lot of cosmetic upgrades, Ed Brown hammer, trigger, fit beavertail, flat MSH, thumb safety and some Triji night sights but the barrel and extractor and everything else is the same as stock. Has a little over 2500 rounds though it and it will feed anything and everything, even empty brass.
I'm suprised sometimes because this is a sub $800 1911 and it has been 100% flawless even with me behind the wheel tinkering with it all the time fitting things and what not. Probably into it about $1,000 or $1,100 by now but it was all personal preferance stuff, not changed for function. I love this 1911.  |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:34:42 AM
Ok, so at first I was asking what does it matter. After reading I see that it is a sign of a properly tuned 1911. I also had mine right next to me and had 1 empty nearby also, it had a hangup on the first try, then it started to cycle it without a problem. I would say the hangup was due to me not racking the slide like I would if it was a live round(basically racking it gently).
Now, this is on my Sig Tac Pac 1911 that has exactly 43 rounds through it. So my question is; Is this a good sign that it is already cycling empties or should I wait and see how it does when it has had some more rounds put through it? |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 2:51:09 AM
[Last Edit: 6/23/2012 2:23:04 PM by 1911smith]
If you're cycling empty brass it's a sure sign rearward control of case rim is dialed in and tuned.
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Posted: 6/23/2012 5:48:58 PM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
what would your once fired brass say about your 1911s reliability ? I'm not certain I have any "once fired" brass. If my brass could talk it would probably say "hey cheapskate, some of us are over 50 years old, buy some new brass will ya?" |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:49:38 PM
How about some pictures of odd brass wear caused by feed or ejection.
Got some ?? Post'em. Look around case mouth, straight wall for smiles or bulges. Look for punch marks on case webs and ejecter tear marks on case rim. NVGdude, Your brass ain't the only lot sayin you're a cheap bastard. I've got some approaching "rimless." |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:11:02 PM
1911smith this may be a stupid question, but could you clarify what you mean by "hand cycle"? I can insert a mag full of spent brass, hit the slide stop, the brass will chamber fine, and when I rack the slide like I would normally it will eject and the rest of the brass in the mag will cycle. I have not been able to get a piece of brass to slowly ease into the chamber w/o binding on the feed ramp though, is this normal? Thanks
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:14:41 PM
Say what you will about Para Ordinance but mine will feed empty brass all day long, And loaded.
20 boxes of ammo in without a single Failure. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 7:58:01 PM
Tried mine last night. Put one empty brass in it my best mag. Didn't cycle and I couldn't care less because it feeds live ammo all day long. Not like I am going to load empty brass in my gun anyway. No offense, but I don't see the point in this.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 3:32:11 AM
[Last Edit: 6/25/2012 3:33:57 AM by 1911smith]
Originally Posted By Joker117:
1911smith this may be a stupid question, but could you clarify what you mean by "hand cycle"? I can insert a mag full of spent brass, hit the slide stop, the brass will chamber fine, and when I rack the slide like I would normally it will eject and the rest of the brass in the mag will cycle. I have not been able to get a piece of brass to slowly ease into the chamber w/o binding on the feed ramp though, is this normal? Thanks When hand cycling I will usually pull slide and lock on slide stop, then release slide stop returning slide to battery on LOADED cartridge. Hand cycling slowly requires cartridge and feed channel be tuned perfectly to each. This method is unforgiving of overlapping geometry. Cycling empty brass is simply a tolerance stack test. This piece of brass was fired from a pistol that is "flawless." Brass indicates a problem. 
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