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Posted: 5/7/2012 10:55:16 AM
I'm a fan of the SIG..
Feels great, Shoots Great..
But I'm no 1911 aficionado.

SIG 1911 Top.


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Posted: 5/7/2012 7:14:19 PM
I did go with the S&W 1911. Two reasons....best external extractor going and those fish scale serrations are sexy!
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Posted: 5/7/2012 7:21:01 PM

Originally Posted By Engineer:
The early Sig 1911s may have had zero to minimal MIM parts, but current Sig 1911s have MIM disconnector, slide stop, mag catch, grip safety, thumb safety, and firing pin stop.

It's pretty much a fact of life for $1K 1911s these days.

Nothing against Sig - I have a C3 and like it very much.

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I'm well aware of that, and have been reporting it for quite some time. It's still light years ahead of pistosl, like the S&Ws, that are literally filled with MIM parts but still fetching upwards of $1200.

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Posted: 5/7/2012 7:56:10 PM

Originally Posted By boricua9mm:

Originally Posted By Engineer:
The early Sig 1911s may have had zero to minimal MIM parts, but current Sig 1911s have MIM disconnector, slide stop, mag catch, grip safety, thumb safety, and firing pin stop.

It's pretty much a fact of life for $1K 1911s these days.

Nothing against Sig - I have a C3 and like it very much.

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I'm well aware of that, and have been reporting it for quite some time. It's still light years ahead of pistosl, like the S&Ws, that are literally filled with MIM parts but still fetching upwards of $1200.


Can you cite a source for the MIM parts in the S&W 1911's?
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Posted: 5/7/2012 9:30:05 PM
Well I did it.

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Posted: 5/8/2012 9:54:23 PM
Originally Posted By boricua9mm:

Originally Posted By Engineer:
The early Sig 1911s may have had zero to minimal MIM parts, but current Sig 1911s have MIM disconnector, slide stop, mag catch, grip safety, thumb safety, and firing pin stop.

It's pretty much a fact of life for $1K 1911s these days.

Nothing against Sig - I have a C3 and like it very much.

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I'm well aware of that, and have been reporting it for quite some time. It's still light years ahead of pistosl, like the S&Ws, that are literally filled with MIM parts but still fetching upwards of $1200.



Is the E series filled with MIM? I don't mean to jump on you, but can you provide a source? My buddy has one and its afantastic shooter, and very, very accurate. I contemplated getting one recently, I wouldn't mind having some more info about them though!
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Posted: 5/8/2012 9:54:55 PM
Originally Posted By Engineer:

Originally Posted By boricua9mm:

Originally Posted By Engineer:
The early Sig 1911s may have had zero to minimal MIM parts, but current Sig 1911s have MIM disconnector, slide stop, mag catch, grip safety, thumb safety, and firing pin stop.

It's pretty much a fact of life for $1K 1911s these days.

Nothing against Sig - I have a C3 and like it very much.

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I'm well aware of that, and have been reporting it for quite some time. It's still light years ahead of pistosl, like the S&Ws, that are literally filled with MIM parts but still fetching upwards of $1200.


Can you cite a source for the MIM parts in the S&W 1911's?

Damn it, ya beat me. Gonna have to check this thread more often.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 10:08:54 AM
The E Series has the same MIM parts as the older S&W 1911 models did. Among other things, look at the hammer cocked, look at the slide stop after you do a basic field strip... MIM.

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Posted: 5/9/2012 10:42:43 AM
Originally Posted By TW52:
The E Series has the same MIM parts as the older S&W 1911 models did. Among other things, look at the hammer cocked, look at the slide stop after you do a basic field strip... MIM.



Honestly, with the number of MIM parts in all makes of guns now, if MIM was a flawed process, there would be thousands, if not tens of thousands, of problems. And with the same parts. For all the loathing of Taurus, and their rough triggers and shoddy QC, you don't hear massive numbers of people with their guns complaing that X part is always breaking.

All the companies that use MIM are in the business of making guns for money, not doing warranty work. I doubt that S&W would put parts in their guns that would break, no matter how many times it got replaced under warranty (which would kill their profit margin).

From an engineering standpoint, I can appreciate the minimal waste and minimal machining to make parts that are almost dimensionally perfect, right out of the manufacturing process.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 3:22:53 PM
Here she is. As I said this is my very first 1911 and so far I'm VERY impressed with the quality of the fit and finish. Top notch. This pistol is flawless. No play whatsoever in the slide to frame fit. This 1911 is TIGHT! This is a crappy cell phone pic. Better photos to come. I plan on shooting it this Saturday.

I weighed it on a digital food scale @ 40.30 oz with an empty mag which means it's below the 41 oz limit for IDPA. That was a close one!

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Posted: 5/9/2012 3:27:52 PM
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With every SIG 1911 Scorpion I held I found some type of blemish. No regrets here.

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Posted: 5/9/2012 5:33:16 PM
Congrats! Enjoy your new 1911!
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:31:34 AM
After racking the slide a bunch of times I noticed "scuff" marks on the barrel. Is this normal? I did add oil to the barrel prior to racking. So much for a flawless looking 1911



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Posted: 5/10/2012 1:07:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Aaron556:
After racking the slide a bunch of times I noticed "scuff" marks on the barrel. Is this normal? I did add oil to the barrel prior to racking. So much for a flawless looking 1911

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3SWDPx8dqc0/T6s-GAj9rDI/AAAAAAAABnE/woPznKQ37SQ/s800/IMAG0962.jpg


It's normal - and will happen. Just read the replies in some of these threads:


Scuff marks on barrel hood area on .45.

Rub marks on barrel hood

excessive barrel wear (with pics)?

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Posted: 5/10/2012 4:11:18 AM
Originally Posted By Aaron556:
After racking the slide a bunch of times I noticed "scuff" marks on the barrel. Is this normal? I did add oil to the barrel prior to racking. So much for a flawless looking 1911

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3SWDPx8dqc0/T6s-GAj9rDI/AAAAAAAABnE/woPznKQ37SQ/s800/IMAG0962.jpg



Your gonna use it for IDPA, and your concerned about scuffs on the barrel from operating the slide?
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:22:19 PM
Originally Posted By MrSilverLining:
Originally Posted By Aaron556:
After racking the slide a bunch of times I noticed "scuff" marks on the barrel. Is this normal? I did add oil to the barrel prior to racking. So much for a flawless looking 1911

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3SWDPx8dqc0/T6s-GAj9rDI/AAAAAAAABnE/woPznKQ37SQ/s800/IMAG0962.jpg



Your gonna use it for IDPA, and your concerned about scuffs on the barrel from operating the slide?


Maybe I'm just a little OCD on this one.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:56:33 PM
Originally Posted By Aaron556:
Originally Posted By MrSilverLining:
Originally Posted By Aaron556:
After racking the slide a bunch of times I noticed "scuff" marks on the barrel. Is this normal? I did add oil to the barrel prior to racking. So much for a flawless looking 1911

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3SWDPx8dqc0/T6s-GAj9rDI/AAAAAAAABnE/woPznKQ37SQ/s800/IMAG0962.jpg



Your gonna use it for IDPA, and your concerned about scuffs on the barrel from operating the slide?


Maybe I'm just a little OCD on this one.


Nice gun
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Posted: 5/10/2012 4:15:36 PM
It's going to get a lot of scuff marks if you use it like it should be. They are just character
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Posted: 5/11/2012 8:27:19 AM
I think I'm in love with the 4.25" Barrel version E series
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:36:27 PM
I have a Sig Tac Ops and I really like it.

The E Series S&W's, the Colt Rail Gun and the Springfield Loaded were ones I considered but the Sig's had rebates that got it down to $900 delivered and transferred.

It shoots great and the fit and finish are very nice.

That E Series looks very nice too. Enjoy.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:54:52 AM
I have a couple of Sig 1911's and really enjoy them....and they're EXTREMELY accurate, something I hear repeatedly from other Sig 1911 owners too. I've talked to a lot of 1911 afficionados and I'm still shocked at how many like/recommend Sig 1911's. As untraditionally as Sig approached the 1911, I was sure there'd be a lot of haters when I started looking into getting my first.

I own some serious AR-15's with some serious glass on them, but after shooting my $1,000 Sig 1911's, I have almost no desire to own a $3,000 1911. I just don't see how I'd benefit if I'm putting holes on top of holes with my Sigs...and wearing a shit-eating grin for 200 rounds at a time.

I'm sure the S&W's are good, but I have always liked Sig better as a rule, going back to the 90's when my family had the gun shop. Those E-Series are good looking guns, but I doubt I'll ever try one since I recently saw one blow up on a guy (not reloads either). Freaking slide and frame were split, half of a grip was blown off the frame...the guy was fine, but it scared the shit out of him, needless to say.

And as far as MIM goes, I don't know why the hell that's such a big deal with 1911's...other than the fact that some shops like to brag that they don't use MIM parts. Thing is, if the MIM parts are well-made, they're going to hold up just fine, I read a quote from a gunsmith who works for Wilson Combat and he put it this way...Quality MIM parts will last a lifetime, and tool steel will last a lifetime and a half...in other words, it doesn't really make any practical difference. He also said that him and "all the guys there, Bill Wilson included" run the MIM parts in their personal guns.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 10:41:26 AM
As a Sig 1911 Carry stainless owner, I couldn't be happier. This is my everyday CCW. Although I'm not a 1911 guru, I'm pleased with the fit, form, and function. It shoots extremely well, and I'm not the best with large caliber handguns. At 50ft, it'll rip a ragged hole in the target. I've had good experiences with Sig in the past, so why not a Sig 1911.

As far as the S&W, I know nothing about them, so I can't say either way.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 4:27:30 PM
Really I doubt you could go wrong with either of them. But for what its worth were it me I would go SIG and that is based upon my experience with other SIGs and S&Ws. The flaws in the BG 380 design (laser mounting screw constantly backed out causing stoppages eventually causing dust cover breakage, and the take down lever broke after they allegedly fixed the issue) gave me nothing but problems so I sold it for a SIG 238, which has been flawless from day one. Therefore both having been my first experience with both of the brands, S&W may not be getting any more of business wile I cannot say enough good things about SIG.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 11:14:43 PM
Originally Posted By dillonivik:
Really I doubt you could go wrong with either of them. But for what its worth were it me I would go SIG and that is based upon my experience with other SIGs and S&Ws. The flaws in the BG 380 design (laser mounting screw constantly backed out causing stoppages eventually causing dust cover breakage, and the take down lever broke after they allegedly fixed the issue) gave me nothing but problems so I sold it for a SIG 238, which has been flawless from day one. Therefore both having been my first experience with both of the brands, S&W may not be getting any more of business wile I cannot say enough good things about SIG.


I think EVERY firearms company has it's share of horror stories. I had a SIG556 that had all sorts of issues and had to go back to Sig multiple times. I eventually sold it. Does this mean that Sig makes crap and I shouldn't buy a Sig? Of course not. Same goes with S&W or anyone else. I actually plan on purchasing either a SIG238 or SIG938.
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