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Posted: 5/17/2011 5:27:40 PM
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Shane333
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Posted: 5/17/2011 5:49:43 PM
I've heard good things from many CZ82 owners regarding SilverBear ammunition. SB makes a hollow point 9x18. That said, an expanding 9x18 risks losing penetration for expansion.
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Posted: 5/17/2011 8:21:05 PM
Hornady makes a HP Mak cal.
Got it from ammotogo.com I got some but haven't been to the range with them yet. Everything I have read said to go with FMJ ball..... |
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Posted: 5/17/2011 9:18:43 PM
Originally Posted By motopic:
Hornady makes a HP Mak cal. Got it from ammotogo.com I got some but haven't been to the range with them yet. Everything I have read said to go with FMJ ball..... I've had a box of that stuff lying around for a long time. feeds well through my East German Mak very well. |
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Posted: 5/18/2011 11:22:32 AM
OP,
Maks were not designed for HP and sometimes the feed ramps are a bit rough. A quick polish with some emery was all it took to smooth out my EG Mak and make it 100% with all HP tested. It is loaded with 3 Hornady HPs followed by 5 Buffalo Bore hardcast and I have every confidence in that combination. |
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LaRue556
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Posted: 5/21/2011 7:46:56 AM
Originally Posted By arbud: Does anyone make a HP round that will reliably feed in a Mak or Cz 82. I would like to use one as a backup to a shottie for home protection and am afraid a FMJ will not do the job. Thanks guys Well.... ...There are some schools of thought that believe with that with a 9x18mm or .380 sized pistol that hollowpoints don't offer enough penetration, I think the 95 HP only penetrate about 6-8 inches or so. 115 gr HP gets 11.6 inches but it's not imported anymore so you have to have a stash. There's also Buffalo Bore 115 gr , flat nose bullet...which goes with their own theory that I cannot really remember expect for its plausibility. Some also believe that the 95gr HP don't expand reliably. So some opt for FMJ which gets adequate penetration for defense.
Just wanted to let you know that they contemporary rules that we've grown accustomed to as hollowpoints for defense, may not always hold true once you cross a different threshold. Still looking into it myself, I load 115 gr HP. As always..test whatever you decide on.
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Tim_the_enchanter
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Posted: 5/21/2011 11:57:47 PM
Silverbear 95 Grn HP feeds fine in my CZ82. Haven't tried it in my Mak. Regardless, it seems to behave like FMJ, so no point in using the HP. Hornady's offering doesn't penetrate for shit. Somebody has to know how to make a decent HP in 9mm Mak. I think there's a market for it.
I'm ready to try the Buffalo Bore 115 Grn lead. They offer a hot 95 Grn HP as well. http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=64 |
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Posted: 6/8/2011 5:33:35 PM
I have a stash of the Silver Bear 115 JHPs and they feed just fine in my Bulgarian MAK, but not in my CZ 82.
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LaRue556
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Posted: 6/8/2011 10:59:34 PM
Originally Posted By BlitzPig: I have a stash of the Silver Bear 115 JHPs and they feed just fine in my Bulgarian MAK, but not in my CZ 82. Yeah...Forgot to add.... Some of the other 9x18mm can't cycle or shoot the 115s safely. |
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Posted: 8/12/2011 2:52:33 AM
95 gr Hornady XTPs have gone through an IJ-70, 2 CZ-82s and a P64 without any problems.
Excellent choice for a BUG. Putting 2 mags of XTPs through the P64 is enough to end the day at the range, especially after a couple o' mags of FMJ.  |
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Posted: 11/17/2011 2:00:45 PM
Buffalo Bore makes a 9x18 round that has 115gr which is typical in any regular 9x19 ammo...More compact explosion that is sure to put any 9x19 in second place.
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Posted: 11/17/2011 5:40:36 PM
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Posted: 11/17/2011 11:46:17 PM
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Posted: 11/18/2011 7:23:04 AM
Not even close sir.
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LaRue556
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Posted: 11/19/2011 1:53:49 AM
Originally Posted By BlitzPig:
Not even close sir. Yeah, seriously. It's a high pressure semi-wadcutter that plays into the aspect of penetration with these "smaller" calibers. But it's not going to match a 9x19 SD load by a long shot. |
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Posted: 11/27/2011 6:03:14 PM
Powerball feeds fine through my Mak,and opened every time when shot into water jugs.
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Billy_Dee
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Posted: 11/28/2011 7:17:30 PM
I was just reading about a Mak load by Corbon; 95gr. JHP 1100fps.
Sound good on paper anyway, might be worth investigating. |
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Posted: 12/9/2011 5:23:06 PM
not sure of the ballistics or penetrating ability of it, but silver bear feeds great through my bulgy mak.
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Posted: 12/23/2011 2:49:57 PM
Originally Posted By arbud:
Does anyone make a HP round that will reliably feed in a Mak or Cz 82. I would like to use one as a backup to a shottie for home protection and am afraid a FMJ will not do the job. Thanks guys Wolf 120gr HP have functioned 100% through my Bulgy (approx 700 rounds fired). Silver Bear 115 HP have also functioned reliably (300 rds), in spite of the hollow point looking as if it was cut with a hand drill in many cases. The Wolf burns a bit cleaner, and accuracy from both has been very acceptable. I don't have any data on performance in actual shootings for either load, but I'm confident that the Wolf load would have the desired effect barring any barriers, or very heavy winter clothing (in which case I would need more gun anyway.... G23  ).
Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 3:00:00 PM
I shoot Silver Bear 94gr. HP through my CZ82. When I got the gun it did not feed HP reliably however FMJ ran perfect. I hit the feed ramp with a felt wheel on a Dremel. Notice I said FELT not stone, metal or sand. I also replaced the recoil spring with a Wolff XP. It now feeds anything and everything without issue.
I purchased some of Hornady's Critical Defense load for this gun. Years ago Hornady offered another 9x18 "defense" round that performed like an expensive FMJ with a tendency to jam. I am hoping the new offering is better engineered. I am going to try that out against rampaging water jugs in a few weeks. Note that the water jugs are not yet actually rampaging but I don't like the look of them. |
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Posted: 2/29/2012 1:46:52 AM
[Last Edit: 2/29/2012 2:22:38 AM by Nakanokalronin]
Both of my CZ-82s feed Silver Bear HP ammo reliably from the first shot to the last. Seeing tests of this ammo though, it does not expand that well if at all. Not really a bad thing since the Mak round has only slightly more velocity over a .380.
Brass fetcher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_g0a-O0Lw0&feature=fvwrel The round looks impressive in the vid but it also failed to expand and acted more like a FMJ round which seems to be the norm. Hornady makes some Critical Defense ammo but I don't have a link to a test vid handy. It would probably be the only one I'd trust to work like it's suppose too. http://www.hornady.com/store/9X18-Mak/ |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 9:33:10 PM
Silver Bear is good stuff but stick with the 95gr The no longer produced 115gr does not feed in CZ82 correctly
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:05:13 PM
Rumor has it that Underwood Ammo may be producing a 9x18 load.
If it's as good as their other stuff, I'll be buying a load of it for my CZ82. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:48:57 PM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 1:54:02 PM by wiseanhyzer]
The Hornady Critical Defense cycles fine through my CZ 82. I don't have a Mak, sorry. I'm doubtful that it would penetrate worth a flip.
The Silver Bear HP might be the best defense round for this caliber because they don't expand reliably. It would act like a semi wadcutter and open a slightly larger permanent cavity than a round nose FMJ + have plenty of penetration. It wouldn't have any additional recoil like the boutique high velocity rounds do. Or, it might be crap. I don't really know. |
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Posted: 8/15/2012 11:49:17 PM
I am breaking the first rule of carry ammo. I bought Hornady XTP Defense 95grain JHP rounds, and I carry 12+1 and a 12rd mag reload. Havent even test fired them to see how they feed and where they hit.
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Posted: 8/16/2012 3:51:39 AM
I recently picked up a IJ-70 Russian Mak, along wth two boxes of Hornady Critica Defense HP ammo, and 500 rounds of FMJ for practice. The Hornady HP feeds, cylces and hits to point of aim in this gun. Obviously I haven't shot anyone with it, but I trust Hornady ammo and have no reason to believe that this ammo will be any different than my past experiences with it in other calibers. I don't expect a yard of penetration with it, but some expansion is expected. I am happy with its accuracy and reliability, so worst case scenario, it can't be any worse than ball FMJ ammo...which is probably where I'd end up if the Hornady didn't feed.
I picked up the gun as a "truck gun" that I can leave in the truck and if it gets stolen, I'm not out much and won't cry over it, like I would if one of my custom 1911's got swiped. For this purpose, this gun and ammo combo fits my needs perfectly... (100% reliable, accurate, better than .380 performance and CHEAP) -Tac |
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