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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:00:30 PM

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My dad gave me this Luger that his father brought home from Germany. It has obviously been modified. All the other metal parts beside the barrel have matching numbers. The grips are obviously aftermarket and the magazine doesn't match. What can you tell me about the gun?









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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:42:36 PM
Wow, where to start? The upper is a 1942 Mauser, the frame looks correct with the hump on the back of the toggle ears and the P.08 marking. It is a mismatch as someone else noted. The side plate is a replacement, probably home made as it is not contoured correctly. The take down lever looks like another home made piece as it is not correct at all. Grips are obviously incorrect, if you do replace them Nill makes the best ones, but they will set you back $90 or more. The barrel has been shortened a bit and the front sight is obviously wrong. Thor on this board could have it fixed correctly if you so desire, although a new barrel would be the best way to go. The most valuable item on this gun is the Bakelite bottom FXO mag it has, worth $150 or more if the base is not cracked. I strongly advise you get a Mec Gar replacement mag if you intend to shoot the gun. The Bakelite bottoms are fragile and will crack with use destroying any value. Whatever you do do not put a shoulder board on that gun unless you register it as a SBR. Shoulder boards are only legal to use on the Navy, Artillery and Carbine models and must be the appropriate stock for that model.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:48:23 PM
Originally Posted By P08:
Wow, where to start? The upper is a 1942 Mauser, the frame looks correct with the hump on the back of the toggle ears and the P.08 marking. It is a mismatch as someone else noted. The side plate is a replacement, probably home made as it is not contoured correctly. The take down lever looks like another home made piece as it is not correct at all. Grips are obviously incorrect, if you do replace them Nill makes the best ones, but they will set you back $90 or more. The barrel has been shortened a bit and the front sight is obviously wrong. Thor on this board could have it fixed correctly if you so desire, although a new barrel would be the best way to go. The most valuable item on this gun is the Bakelite bottom FXO mag it has, worth $150 or more if the base is not cracked. I strongly advise you get a Mec Gar replacement mag if you intend to shoot the gun. The Bakelite bottoms are fragile and will crack with use destroying any value. Whatever you do do not put a shoulder board on that gun unless you register it as a SBR. Shoulder boards are only legal to use on the Navy, Artillery and Carbine models and must be the appropriate stock for that model.


Awesome! Thank you much for the info. Can you recommend a manufacturer for cheap grips? I doubt I'll shoot this much and would only change the grips to reach the trigger better. Otherwise, I'll love it and keep it in the safe.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 2:29:56 PM
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Almost looks like the front sight block is threaded on, like it could be removed and a silencer threaded back on it. Lugers at Random by Charles Kenyon has one pictured on page 363. The take down lever and thumb safety lever look like replacements too.

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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:52:02 PM
Originally Posted By Thor340:
Almost looks like the front sight block is threaded on, like it could be removed and a silencer threaded back on it. Lugers at Random by Charles Kenyon has one pictured on page 363. The take down lever and thumb safety lever look like replacements too.



So what would be your opinion on market retail value given its current condition? Just a SWAG?

I'm just curious..........
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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:40:20 PM

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By Thor340:
Almost looks like the front sight block is threaded on, like it could be removed and a silencer threaded back on it. Lugers at Random by Charles Kenyon has one pictured on page 363. The take down lever and thumb safety lever look like replacements too.



So what would be your opinion on market retail value given its current condition? Just a SWAG?

I'm just curious..........
Not Ted, but I would guess about $4-500. Figuring it's gonna need 2-300 in parts.

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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:03:10 PM
Nice pistol, and Dad.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:06:59 AM
P08, spot on for pricing.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 4:40:43 PM
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Not Ted, but I would guess about $4-500.




Wow, that's a bit higher than *I* would've guessed.
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Posted: 6/29/2012 11:38:37 PM
I thought shoulder boards (stock) was permitted for all lugers with the frame tang. Didn't know it was restricted to the longer barreled models.
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Posted: 6/29/2012 11:48:32 PM

Originally Posted By yadayada:
I thought shoulder boards (stock) was permitted for all lugers with the frame tang. Didn't know it was restricted to the longer barreled models.
It is guessed by some collectors that the stock lug was used to hold the frame in place for machining and that removing it after was not worth the extra effort. But yes the only 4" barreled Lugers that would be ok with a shoulder stock would be one with an Ideal folding stock, very very rare to find though.

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Posted: 6/30/2012 9:03:41 AM
Thanks. I looked through the C&R listing on BATF's site and see the Navy, Carbine and Artillery models. I have a 1916 DWM (4") with the tang.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 12:25:24 PM
Do not put any stock on an Artillery Luger unless it is an Artillery Luger stock, Navy Lugers require navy stocks only. Etc, not worth the potential problems IMO