 yankeesfan81 
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Posted: 6/7/2012 8:53:30 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I was told that it was 1942. It has byf markings so it is a Mauser from what I have read. Serial # is 52** It has all matching numbers except the mag. Any information would be greatly appreciated. And also what kind of value could I see on this piece. I dont have the pistol with me at the moment, I left it at my fathers because he wanted to check it out. Here are some pics though. 
It also came with a holster with a stamp on the inside of bdr44 
Hopefully the pictures work.. I always seem to have issues posting pics, even with using the button provided.. I basically want to confirm date of manufacture and possibly value? Thanks for any info and help. Matt |
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Posted: 6/7/2012 9:10:05 PM
It's a 1941 manufactured Mauser. The number 42 you see is the last two numbers of the serial number. Looks very good. There are some very knowledgeable P08 collectors on the forum that could give you value estimates. You will need more pics of all sides of the pistol, and dissembled if possible.
The holster is a P38 holster. |
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Posted: 6/7/2012 9:27:41 PM
Originally Posted By MGVINCE:
It's a 1941 manufactured Mauser. The number 42 you see is the last two numbers of the serial number. Looks very good. There are some very knowledgeable P08 collectors on the forum that could give you value estimates. You will need more pics of all sides of the pistol, and dissembled if possible. The holster is a P38 holster. So the 41 on the top of the barrel signifies manufacture date? Or just coincidence. I have to check into the markings on the side of the barrel when I can get a closer look at it. I took a pic of the side of the barrel but it was blurry. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted: 6/7/2012 9:46:01 PM
[Last Edit: 6/7/2012 10:00:41 PM by Wespe]
Interesting, I thought the "Black Widow" Lugers were all from 1942 produced guns.
It is a 1941 pistol by the way Edit to add some info I looked up: "Black Widow" Lugers were produced in both 1941 and 1942. They are pretty desirable to collectors and while the machining and finish is'nt as fine as prewar Luger's, they seem to fetch a high price. |
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Posted: 6/8/2012 12:00:45 PM
Nice Black Widow, worth $2,500 minimum
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Posted: 6/8/2012 3:01:45 PM
Originally Posted By Thor340:
Nice Black Widow, worth $2,500 minimum Doubt its worth $2,500 but thanks anyways... |
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Posted: 6/8/2012 7:00:43 PM
The price Thor gave is in line with the retail prices you will find on most reputable dealer web sites. As always,with out clear photos of the gun disassembled the price could change. The price that collectors pay between themselves would be lower.
What is the serial number on the front of the pistol frame below the barrel? Is there a suffix letter below the number. The black bakelite grips are what give it the " Black Widow" term, which is an american made term. Now most collectors would tell you not to shoot the pistol. If it is a true matching un messed with pistol I would agree. Get your self a shooter grade pistol if you want to shoot one. You don't show a magazine, depending on the serial number on the pistol it could be a numbered mag but that would have to be pretty early. A bakelite bottom FXO mag would go very well with your pistol and are pretty easy to find. |
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Posted: 6/8/2012 8:46:06 PM
Originally Posted By MGVINCE:
The price Thor gave is in line with the retail prices you will find on most reputable dealer web sites. As always,with out clear photos of the gun disassembled the price could change. The price that collectors pay between themselves would be lower. What is the serial number on the front of the pistol frame below the barrel? Is there a suffix letter below the number. The black bakelite grips are what give it the " Black Widow" term, which is an american made term. Now most collectors would tell you not to shoot the pistol. If it is a true matching un messed with pistol I would agree. Get your self a shooter grade pistol if you want to shoot one. You don't show a magazine, depending on the serial number on the pistol it could be a numbered mag but that would have to be pretty early. A bakelite bottom FXO mag would go very well with your pistol and are pretty easy to find. Great info...Thanks. I am going to pick up the pistol from my father tomorrow so I will have a better look at everything and see about taking some up close pics of it. I will also be doing some slight disassembly of it tomorrow as well to take a closer look. The mag does not have matching serial number. This piece will definitely not be shot whether numbers are matching or not. As for Thor.. Im sorry I doubted your figure. |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 1:15:45 PM
The suffix on the frame is an "X"
theres an "882" under the serial number on the bottom side of the barrel near the frame. Dont really know if this tells anything. The Proof Marks on the side of the barrel are #46 on the LugerForums Techincal Informations Proof Marks page. 3 eagles marking with "655" "555" and swasticka under each respective eagle. I disassembled the the pistol and took the grips off and separated the bolt from the barrel and all numbers that I saw were "42" so it appears that it is complete matching numbers besides the magazine.  |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 4:37:07 PM
"x" block would not have a number matched magazine. It would most likely be a FXO e/37 bakelite bottom. I guess it could have been an unmarked aluminum bottom, the experts at Luger forums would know better.
Do you know what mag, is with the gun? Jan C. Stills Luger forum has a good black grips section. Tells how to check them and photos of correct types. You've got a great looking pistol. |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 7:08:01 PM
[Last Edit: 6/9/2012 7:10:06 PM by yankeesfan81]
We are pretty excited about this pickup.... It is in GREAT condition... All of the flaws in the blueing appears to be holster wear only.... Here are some pics of the mag.
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Posted: 6/9/2012 7:12:17 PM
We also picked up an old 1887 S&W .38 Safety Hammerless 1st model...
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Posted: 6/9/2012 10:04:47 PM
That mag is for an earlier P08. It will not be hard to find a nice bakelite bottom FXO e/37 mag to complete the pistol. Some, want to buy posts, in the Luger forums should get some response. ebay can be a good place to find a mag just have to beware.
Oh, and now you will need to find a nice 41 dated holster, e/655 tool, and a spare FXO to go with them. Lugers can be addictive . |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 9:56:16 AM
[Last Edit: 6/10/2012 10:24:41 AM by yankeesfan81]
Originally Posted By MGVINCE:
That mag is for an earlier P08. It will not be hard to find a nice bakelite bottom FXO e/37 mag to complete the pistol. Some, want to buy posts, in the Luger forums should get some response. ebay can be a good place to find a mag just have to beware. Oh, and now you will need to find a nice 41 dated holster, e/655 tool, and a spare FXO to go with them. Lugers can be addictive . Thanks for all of your help. I shall be on the hunt for these items. So what kind of increase in value would I see if I was able to obtain all of these matching pieces? Would it even be worth the cost? |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 12:29:57 PM
The best thing I could advise is to look at simpsonltd.com They are a top level retailer. Look at the Luger listing, then check the Mauser, and Black Widow listings. You will be shocked at the prices. Now all collectors will say that retail prices are 25-35% higher than what collectors pay between themselves. But the prices people want for Lugers is getting quite unreal.
Do a lot of reading posts on the Parabellum forum, and register at Jan C. Stills forum. The info there is fantastic. I have a shooter byf 41 to have fun with, and an original byf 42 that I've gotten a correct holster and spare mag. I only need a correct tool to complete the rig. But then I'll think I might as well find a belt and buckle... I don't look at getting the accessories, to enhance the value of the pistol. Just to make it more complete. I consider myself a novice at Lugers, and am still learning, there is so much info. I stick to the WWII P 08s. Its hard enough to learn one era. |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 10:44:58 PM
Originally Posted By yankeesfan81:
As for Thor.. Im sorry I doubted your figure. Around here, Thor is like E.F. Hutton: when he speaks, we listen...................  |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:35:51 PM
[Last Edit: 9/1/2012 9:37:31 PM by axl]
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Posted: 9/1/2012 9:37:02 PM
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