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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:29:31 PM EDT
Hi guys,
Currently I carry my XDs-9 with the 7 round mag in gun, and the backup 9 round mag in left rear pocket in a Remora Mag Holster. Decent setup, can reload relatively quickly. With the recent incident on the BART, I'm starting to feel like 17 rounds may not be enough. What do you guys think? Is 17 rounds on tap enough to adequately protect oneself? |
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If you think that's not enough and It's a issue then maybe look for other transportation.
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Hi guys, Currently I carry my XDs-9 with the 7 round mag in gun, and the backup 9 round mag in left rear pocket in a Remora Mag Holster. Decent setup, can reload relatively quickly. With the recent incident on the BART, I'm starting to feel like 17 rounds may not be enough. What do you guys think? Is 17 rounds on tap enough to adequately protect oneself? View Quote You need something in 10mm or a .45. Real gun, real results. You can thank us later. |
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I carry the same gun XDs9 with the 7 round mag.. that's it. I posted in the Springfield forum about a few guys laughing at me.... I have seven shots of self defense ammo, I plan on making my shots count... real life isn't an episode of NCIS where gun battles rage and they just shoot to shoot. I can't imagine a real life situation lasting more than a few seconds.. although it may seem like an eternity. unless it's a end of world SHTF situation with multiple threats.. I think we are fine.
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Remember dude, rats tend to scatter- You won't ever need to shoot 17 people. At least I hope to god you never have a scenario straight out of the Walking Dead like that....
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And to clarify, I don't ride the BART, nor do I live in CA (thank GOD!).
Was just thinking that with all the SJWs and Antifas around these days, a group attack against an individual may be a more frequent occurrence in the next few months. |
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You could bump up to a Glock 19. Carry two 17rd mags for backup to the 15 plus 1 for a total of 50 rounds, or one box of 9mm ammo
Honestly though, you should be fine with the XDS 9 and a backup mag. Most the time you are only going to fire a few shots and that will be it. If not then you should get the hell out of there. |
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XDSC 9MM is a great little pistol. 14 rounds with 16 round backup mags
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I personally think the XDs is fine. Gunfire seems to be an attention getter. If you pop off a couple of rounds, more than likely, the Antifada will be hauling ass in the opposite directio
If you shoot and they press the attack they are more than like armed also. In that case you are probably screwed anyway. If you feel you need more shots on tap go for it. You need to be comfortable in your carry gun. The thing I personally like about the XDs is that it can easily be carried in my front pocket |
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You could bump up to a Glock 19. Carry two 17rd mags for backup to the 15 plus 1 for a total of 50 rounds, or one box of 9mm ammo Honestly though, you should be fine with the XDS 9 and a backup mag. Most the time you are only going to fire a few shots and that will be it. If not then you should get the hell out of there. View Quote |
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MP Pro 9, 17+1, 2 spare 17 round mags, over 50 rounds on my person most times. At minimum 17+1 and 1 mag.
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And to clarify, I don't ride the BART, nor do I live in CA (thank GOD!). Was just thinking that with all the SJWs and Antifas around these days, a group attack against an individual may be a more frequent occurrence in the next few months. View Quote I think you are fine with the pistol you have but it never hurts to have higher capacity options. I just think to myself if you anticipate problems arising from certain scenarios it seems you would want to avoid them all together rather than carry more ammo into those scenarios. Now if you are heading into scenarios where you are anticipating facing gangs and mobs of people that are not friendly well yeah you need to consider other options along with higher capacity pistol. You need to start taking martial arts class, learning how to use edged weapons, and probably carry as stick. |
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You are looking at a double stack gun - which one is personal preference. If you feel you need more rounds - regardless if it is true or not - it may be worth it if it will help you mentally deal with a situation should it ever arise, even if you never fire a shot. They show a bunch of films in LFI (at least they used to many years back) and one thing that does seem common is those who were in a confrontation wished they had more ammo, not saying they actually needed it, just that they wished they had more.
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I carry an XDS 9mm as well, 8-round mag in the gun, 1 in the barrel, and a spare 9-round mag. 18-rounds of 147 Gold Dots.
I do not feel under-gunned with this set-up. Also, one thing to remember, is that by jumping to a double stack, your thickness will increase, and may or may-not be as easily concealed. Personally, I think you are over-thinking it. |
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High capacity or maximum concealbility, you can't have both.
Personally, I believe that 8 or 9 rounds in the gun are sufficient for most situations and if one wants to have more rounds on hand in the gun they need to rethink their CCW priorities. The smallest gun I'll carry is an M&P9c with 13 rounds in the gun and a spare 12 round magazine although a 17 round mag is an option as well. My usual carry is a P220 Carry Equinox with 9 in the gun or an M&P .40 with 16. Due to life experience; I prefer to have a large pistol in my hand in the event things turn to crap and I need to use it in defense of my life. |
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I would consider you well armed with your XDs.
It is worlds better than what the vast majority of people are carrying, which is nothing............. |
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I say you're good to go. But when you watch most vids on the internet about how much gun to carry........ Anything less than a G19 is dumb.......
So.... I don't know what to tell you. There doesn't really seem to be a database of what really has been the history of it all. But it gets bantered around that the majority of the time, civilian encounters don't go much over 6 rounds. A few do. And a minute amount in the low teens. And I keep hearing that reloading hasn't even been a thing. Except in Military and police applications. There's no easy answer. The G26 isn't a bad gun to carry. It's pretty nice. The only experience I've had is that there were like 2x I felt like I was going to have to defend myself I was scared both times, but at least I had a gun. I felt woefully undergunned with my Detective Special and felt a little better with my M9. But feelings aren't what will save your bacon. Hits on target will. That's it, that's all. Well, at least that's how I understand it. LOL. |
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Carry extra mags?
I carry a PPS M2 (7+1 in gun, one 8 rd mag as backup) and have been thinking about adding another 8 round mag to the carry setup lately. |
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I say you're good to go. But when you watch most vids on the internet about how much gun to carry........ Anything less than a G19 is dumb....... So.... I don't know what to tell you. There doesn't really seem to be a database of what really has been the history of it all. But it gets bantered around that the majority of the time, civilian encounters don't go much over 6 rounds. A few do. And a minute amount in the low teens. And I keep hearing that reloading hasn't even been a thing. Except in Military and police applications. There's no easy answer. The G26 isn't a bad gun to carry. It's pretty nice. The only experience I've had is that there were like 2x I felt like I was going to have to defend myself I was scared both times, but at least I had a gun. I felt woefully undergunned with my Detective Special and felt a little better with my M9. But feelings aren't what will save your bacon. Hits on target will. That's it, that's all. Well, at least that's how I understand it. LOL. View Quote |
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I carried a kahr cw9 occasionaly for a while. After the San Bernardino shooting I started carrying the g19 all the time. 17 rd reload plus 16 in the gun made me feel much better. It's also much easier to shoot fast/accurate.
I good belt and a good holster makes compacts and full sized gun much easier to conceal. Even though right now I'm carrying a 1911 with only 17 RDS on me I know I can draw and place RDS where I want them as fast and accuratly as anything and it's easier to conceal than compact double stacks which is nice now that it's t-shirt weather. |
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i think it depends where you are. I live in a low crime, nicer neighborhood, and don't feel underpinned with a 5 shot revolver or a shield on my belt. When I go into the city (Dallas) or similar, I up it to my 1911. Same number of rounds, but 45 instead of 9mm and I know I can make good hits at distance.
There's more firepower in the truck if I need it, although if I'm in the truck I'm in a 4500 pound 300HP monster, so the gas pedal makes more sense. If you're not comfortable, upgrade. But from everything I've heard and read, once lead starts flying from any party, everyone else runs the hell away. I keep bigger stuff in the house, but that's because size isn't an issue. otherwise I'm not worried. |
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My 3 carry guns are an xds9, g19, and a bodyguard.
The xds9, with a spare mag of HST's, gets 90% of the workload. |
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I often carry a j frame with one reload. If a situation presents this won't handle it is so outside the realm of a defensive scenario it is a statistical anomaly. If we wanted to be fully prepared for every scenario you would need to haul a wagon load of gear, and bring along an aed trauma kit and much more.
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I often carry a j frame with one reload. If a situation presents this won't handle it is so outside the realm of a defensive scenario it is a statistical anomaly. If we wanted to be fully prepared for every scenario you would need to haul a wagon load of gear, and bring along an aed trauma kit and much more. View Quote |
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Honestly I don't think you need to worry about it.
Sometimes I carry a Shield with no extra mag and sometimes I carry a sig p320c... I rarely (if ever) carry a spare mag (flame suit on) and I have no problems. I also don't spend much time in bad areas and the antifa isn't wasting their time in WV. My main carry is a M&P9c and I feel completely comfortable with 12+1. |
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Maybe think about it this way: If you knew there was going to be a bad situation that required you to shoot multiple people to escape alive, is there ANY carry-sized handgun you'd be comfortable with?
For me, that answer is no. I'd want my AR for that. So I don't try to make my carry gun work for that scenario. |
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I recently switched from a double-stack 9mm to the single-stack Shield 9mm for EDC (used to carry a single 15rd reload in the same Remora pocket mag carrier as you).
I, too, worried about the resulting loss of capacity. My solution was the MagGuts +1 conversion for my 8rd carry mag (now 9rds so 9+1) and two 8rd reloads (7rd mags w/the MagGuts +1 baseplate) in a Recluse dual-mag pocket carrier (looks like a wallet when carrying). That gives me a total of 26 rds (down from 31 rds w/a single reload) and if that's not enough to extricate myself from trouble, I don't think additional rds will help. Tomac |
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I carry xds 9 with the 7 shot mag +1. Never actually carried a spare mag but keep an 8 rounder in my car. If you ever need more than 8 rounds you're probably screwed anyways...
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If you are in a situation where 17 rounds isn't enough you are probably going to die. This illusion that a handgun is a "go to war" weapon is silly and will most likely get you killed or in serious trouble.
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Long ago I carried a chopped down Kahr CW9 (6+1) and after an accident that left my left hand essentially useless for reloads for several months I upgraded to a 13 shot M&P compact and then a fullsize M&P when I'm not working. Commuting to an form work I carry a very small pistol which was mocked in another thread, Rule #1 of gunfighting - have a gun.
I wouldnt feel undergunned with a single stack 9mm, but it isn't my first choice. I have a 9mm Shield, the wife love hers, but I've never carried mine. I'd rather carry a M&P compact for the overall dimensions versus capacity. |
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Cuz wanting something that can be shot more accuratly and faster is dangerous yo View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Things getting bad in Lordsburg, are they? View Quote And I recently bought the 8 round mag for the XDs, so it's 8+1 in the gun (HST Micro 150gr), and 9 backup (also HST's). After some thought, I think 18 rounds would probably be enough for a single or double attacker situation. As far as a situation like what happened on the BART, you guys are probably right. When those idiots see one or two of their friends down with wounds, I think they would scatter. Tomac, I'll check that Recluse pocket holster. |
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ROFL - how do you know about Lordsburg? Have you been there? I live in a more northern/central location. And I recently bought the 8 round mag for the XDs, so it's 8+1 in the gun (HST Micro 150gr), and 9 backup (also HST's). After some thought, I think 18 rounds would probably be enough for a single or double attacker situation. As far as a situation like what happened on the BART, you guys are probably right. When those idiots see one or two of their friends down with wounds, I think they would scatter. Tomac, I'll check that Recluse pocket holster. View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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My answer for myself will always be a G19.
With one full size mag as back up, that's 33 rounds. Dave N |
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You don't feel "undergunned" because you don't have enough gun; you feel "undergunned" because you're looking for a reason to purchase another firearm.
It's either that or, on an embarrassing and serious note, you're simply scared due to current events. If that's the case then no matter what size your gun is or how many rounds you have on hand, you'll always feel "undergunned". It's psychological and has nothing really to do with the gun you're carrying. |
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You don't feel "undergunned" because you don't have enough gun; you feel "undergunned" because you're looking for a reason to purchase another firearm. It's either that or, on an embarrassing and serious note, you're simply scared due to current events. If that's the case then no matter what size your gun is or how many rounds you have on hand, you'll always feel "undergunned". It's psychological and has nothing really to do with the gun you're carrying. View Quote I got lazy and bought a cw9 to make carrying easier. I found that between the size and capacity I preferred something either larger to shoot faster and more accurate with (eg. A 1911) or something larger with more rounds to deal with more potential threats (eg a g19) but still allows for more accurate rapid fire at double the distance of subcompacts. At the same time I discovered gunbelts and good, modern aiwb holsters that allow me to carry bigger guns comfortably and concealed. Your quasi psych eval does hold water as I'm perfectly comfortable emotionally or other wise with my choice and don't feel under gunned in the least. |
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Stop for a second and be realistic. The likelihood you will get in a shootout or shooting self defense scenario is extremely low and I mean less than 1% you might have a better chance or getting struck by lightning or bit by a shark. Secondly the likelihood it will be a scenario where you will need more 17 rounds is much lower. On top of that if you find yourself in a situation with gangs of people starting to show up that are hostile I think myself I would find a way to begin exiting the scenario before it escalates. If you find yourself in a scenario where it is escalating and you cannot exit what is the likelihood you will be able to draw your weapon before a pack pounces on you? If you are getting jumped by a pack of people you are pretty much fucked either way the solution to the problem alluded you earlier when you should have been paying attention to details around you and exiting the situation. Lastly most self defense shoots are very limited in the number of rounds that get into the air Miami style or Hollywood style shoot outs are extremely rare. I think you are fine with the pistol you have but it never hurts to have higher capacity options. I just think to myself if you anticipate problems arising from certain scenarios it seems you would want to avoid them all together rather than carry more ammo into those scenarios. Now if you are heading into scenarios where you are anticipating facing gangs and mobs of people that are not friendly well yeah you need to consider other options along with higher capacity pistol. You need to start taking martial arts class, learning how to use edged weapons, and probably carry as stick. View Quote |
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Your last sentence cracks me up and you are very wrong. If you are heading into scenarios where you anticipate facing gangs and mobs of people, you need a rifle with lots of mags not martial arts classes. View Quote |
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You say scared, I say awake. I got lazy and bought a cw9 to make carrying easier. I found that between the size and capacity I preferred something either larger to shoot faster and more accurate with (eg. A 1911) or something larger with more rounds to deal with more potential threats (eg a g19) but still allows for more accurate rapid fire at double the distance of subcompacts. At the same time I discovered gunbelts and good, modern aiwb holsters that allow me to carry bigger guns comfortably and concealed. Your quasi psych eval does hold water as I'm perfectly comfortable emotionally or other wise with my choice and don't feel under gunned in the least. View Quote I'm not scared or afraid. Simply being realistic. As these insane, spoiled little milennial brats continue to riot and assault people because they didn't get their way, and LEO allows it, this behavior will become more common. Wake the fuck up man. |
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Your last sentence cracks me up and you are very wrong. If you are heading into scenarios where you anticipate facing gangs and mobs of people, you need a rifle with lots of mags not martial arts classes. View Quote OP I'm not suggesting this is your mentality /attitude by any means. It just seems that many people put way too much thought and emphasis on a handgun as a primary weapon. |
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There are plenty of first hand reports where several magazines were expended in an attempt to stop the attacker. Freightening.
So it's dependant on scenario, each one is different. 2 of Obama's sons with hipoints drawn at your local gas and go or liquor store, and you will be outgunned and at a serious disadvantage, if the bullets start flying. |
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What's your training resume look like?
Usually when I see people that feel undergunned when carrying a "real" gun like a compact 9mm (basically anything more than a LCP or J frame) it's more often a lack of confidence in their abilities more than a caliber or capacity deficiency. The more training you get, especially multi-discipline handgun, knife, unarmed, combined FoF the less you worry about the hardware you carry. I've been a handgun and CCW instructor a long time. There's a pattern damn near everyone goes through when they start carrying. The guys with a brand new freshly minted permit try to carry a full sized steel framed whatever for about a month. Then the realize that their back hurts, their pants sag and it's a pain in the ass to carry 5# of steel around all day. So then they go to the next extreme and carry a LCP in their pocket. This phase may last months or years. Then they actually have or hear about an incident that makes them realize their LCP is a shit choice. Finally they get some real training and go forth with a new attitude... and a Glock 19 and a Glock 26 and a Glock 43... 'cause one is none, two is one, three is mo 'betta. Then after a few months of that they realize, damn this shit is heavy and my life is too boring to carry all this crap around all day. More training... maybe a BJJ or boxing class... best case scenario is a FoF class from a great instructor (Craig Douglas). Now... you're an experienced CCW, with some solid fighting fundamentals and have a good idea of what goes on in your daily routine and what the threats look like. You're also not hardware focused, you know there's a lot more to it than what gun you carry. Most guys at this stage end up with a compact 9/40/45 with a capacity of 7-15, a decent accessible knife and a small light as their "hardware". That phase should last you until you're too old to go outside anymore and you start carrying a shotgun on your lap in the wheelchair. |
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