Better woods round-357Sig or .40

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Better woods round-357Sig or .40

Posted: 3/19/2017 1:04:55 PM EDT

I got a killer deal on a police grade in 226R .357Sig. I'm familiar with the round, carried it several years as a LEO. I was thinking about getting a .40 barrel for a woods gun but would rather spend the money on ammo for this. Texas doesn't have grizzly bears, the fiercest animal I can imagine encountering would be a hog or rabid coyote. Is 357Sig enough or would .40 be better. In before the 10mm crowd.

Posted: 3/19/2017 1:22:41 PM EDT

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As an LEO you know it's the Indian more than the arrow.
40 may be easier to find.
I am sure 357sig will do just fine.
Good luck.
How about a picture of your new toy.

Posted: 3/19/2017 1:34:06 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/19/2017 1:35:41 PM EDT

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As an LEO you know it's the Indian more than the arrow.
40 may be easier to find.
I am sure 357sig will do just fine.
Good luck.
How about a picture of your new toy.

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I agree with the Indian/arrow analogy. Just kind of wondering if 357sig would be as effective on a hog as .40

Posted: 3/19/2017 1:36:04 PM EDT

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That looks pretty darn good

Posted: 3/19/2017 7:13:20 PM EDT

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An Underwood 125gr Gold Dot at 1500fps should do fine.

.357 Sig was designed for the state of Texas, don't fight it

Posted: 3/19/2017 9:42:49 PM EDT

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I'm "guessing" that due to its heavier bullet weight and therefore, momentum, 180 grain Hornady XTP is probably better for hogs than .357 Sig.

I've shot several hogs with .40 180 grain XTP but never with .357 SIG so I can't say for sure, but I believe the .357 SIG will also kill them dead.

Posted: 3/19/2017 10:31:23 PM EDT

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I'm "guessing" that due to its heavier bullet weight and therefore, momentum, 180 grain Hornady XTP is probably better for hogs than .357 Sig.

I've shot several hogs with .40 180 grain XTP but never with .357 SIG so I can't say for sure, but I believe the .357 SIG will also kill them dead.

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Momentum = Velocity x Mass

.357 sig wins.

Posted: 3/19/2017 11:58:27 PM EDT

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I really love the 357 sig round. I would go with that and look at some Buffalo Bore ammo. The 357 sig also has pretty good ballistics past 50 yards.

Posted: 3/20/2017 7:53:38 AM EDT

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I don't think you'll see an appreciable difference between the two for Texas use. Depending on the size of the hogs I'd just as soon use .357. I do think if you are spending a lot of time in the woods, hunting all the time and are really looking for a dedicated woods gun that This .40 with a 200 grain hard cast at 1000fps is, imo, better than any .357 sig load that I know of.

Posted: 3/20/2017 9:19:36 AM EDT

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Not much difference between the two rounds for the woods application. I would lean toward 40S&W only because of its ability to use heavier bullets. I find heavier bullets are tougher, less likely to structurally fail, and thus more reliably penetrate deep. That said a good 125gr bullet from a 357 Sig is going to be better than a crap 180gr bullet from a 40S&W. But if bullet construction is equal in both I usually lean towards the heavier bullet for woods use.

Posted: 3/20/2017 10:58:39 AM EDT

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Would a .357 Magnum be suitable for hunting hogs? Proper bullets, .357 Sig more than adequate.

Posted: 3/20/2017 11:29:19 AM EDT

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Would a .357 Magnum be suitable for hunting hogs? Proper bullets, .357 Sig more than adequate.

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357 Sig only compares favorably to 357 Magnum with light bullets and even then 357 Magnum can be loaded faster. It has a huge case volume advantage. Once you get much above 125gr bullets 357 Sig's performance falls off sharply compared to 357 Magnum. 357 Magnum is pretty commonly loaded with 180gr and even 200gr bullet for hunting, 357 Sig tops out at 147gr. As far as a hunting cartridge goes 357 Magnum is significantly better cartridge than 357 Sig.

Posted: 3/20/2017 11:54:26 AM EDT

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.40, higher sectional density and bullet weight. 155's can get close to the 125 357sig loads. Also, .40 can be loaded with 200's around 1000fps. For woods loads, I'd skip JHP's and move to a solid flat point lead/coated bullet.

Posted: 3/20/2017 4:37:48 PM EDT

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Thanks! This gun was a trade in from the Independance MO PD. Anybody know if these were just rotated out or if the PD went to a different round?

Posted: 3/20/2017 8:02:15 PM EDT

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Momentum = Velocity x Mass

.357 sig wins.

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I'm "guessing" that due to its heavier bullet weight and therefore, momentum, 180 grain Hornady XTP is probably better for hogs than .357 Sig.

I've shot several hogs with .40 180 grain XTP but never with .357 SIG so I can't say for sure, but I believe the .357 SIG will also kill them dead.

Momentum = Velocity x Mass

.357 sig wins.

Yes; Initial momentum, but I believe a 180 grain bullet will conserve it's momentum better than a 125 during penetration.

Posted: 3/21/2017 10:27:50 AM EDT

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Yes; Initial momentum, but I believe a 180 grain bullet will conserve it's momentum better than a 125 during penetration.

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thanks!

Posted: 3/24/2017 6:37:19 PM EDT

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I don't think you'll see an appreciable difference between the two for Texas use. Depending on the size of the hogs I'd just as soon use .357. I do think if you are spending a lot of time in the woods, hunting all the time and are really looking for a dedicated woods gun that This .40 with a 200 grain hard cast at 1000fps is, imo, better than any .357 sig load that I know of.

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Double Tap has a 180 gr hard cast 357 Sig load at 1000fps+. You can push a 147 over 1300.

Posted: 3/24/2017 10:19:22 PM EDT

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I don't think you'll see an appreciable difference between the two for Texas use. Depending on the size of the hogs I'd just as soon use .357. I do think if you are spending a lot of time in the woods, hunting all the time and are really looking for a dedicated woods gun that This .40 with a 200 grain hard cast at 1000fps is, imo, better than any .357 sig load that I know of.

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Hahaha, I can vouch for the above linked load... It hits hard but recoils the same as a 180 grain Gold Dot (pretty smooth but recoil is always subjective to the end user!) I use the Buffalo Bore truncated cone Hard Cast loadings in 9mm, 147gr flavor the most as of recent; for times when I feel like carrying something a bit heavier its the same style pill but in a 255grain .45Super from BB. Buffalo Bore and Underwood make fantastic "Outdoorsman" loads. The same style bullet in .357Sig would be more than adequate OP. Carry what you shoot the best and vet a couple mags of whatever woods "Hog" load before you strap on a holster.

Posted: 3/25/2017 7:14:09 AM EDT

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Double Tap has a 180 gr hard cast 357 Sig load at 1000fps+. You can push a 147 over 1300.

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I don't think you'll see an appreciable difference between the two for Texas use. Depending on the size of the hogs I'd just as soon use .357. I do think if you are spending a lot of time in the woods, hunting all the time and are really looking for a dedicated woods gun that This .40 with a 200 grain hard cast at 1000fps is, imo, better than any .357 sig load that I know of.

Double Tap has a 180 gr hard cast 357 Sig load at 1000fps+. You can push a 147 over 1300.

I'd be fine with that one

Posted: 3/25/2017 7:27:10 AM EDT

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Is 357Sig enough or would .40 be better. In before the 10mm crowd.

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Pay attention, junior ...

Posted: 3/25/2017 6:30:32 PM EDT

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You'll be fine with .357 sig for everything you'll encounter. A .40 is a better woods round though since you can shoot heavier cast lead bullets which are superior than a hollow point or fmj. A large heavy lead bullet is going to stop a big animal better than a small lightweight bullet moving fast.