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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:52:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was never a big fan of the 380acp. But, I was a fan of the Beretta 84/browning BDA back in the day, but couldn't afford one. So, when the Israeli surplus Beretta 84's showed up, I bought one...an almost new looking 84F, for less than $300. My plan was to shoot it for while and someday use it for trade bait. However, I found I really like it. Fits my hand really well, points like a finger, and is surprisingly accurate. Compact, light, and easy to carry. And 14 rounds. So, I doubt it will ever be trade bait. It often gets house gun duty in preference to other, more powerful handguns...though the 12ga riot gun is never far away. I keep my Beretta loaded with Underwood +P XTP, and I'm satisfied with that load, which has proven remarkably accurate. My club has 10" steel plates ranging from 40yds to 100yds, and I rang the 80yd plate standing offhand. At 25yds, I put the whole mag in the black on an NRA bullseye shooting one handed standing. For an FMJ load, I want to try the Sigammo 102gn FMJ. I bought a box, and it looks like quality ammo, but I haven't shot any yet. The bullet has a small, sharp shouldered meplat. Looking forward to seeing how it shoots, and hoping to see some chrono results from someone, especially in a longer barreled gun like my Beretta. Looking forward to seeing it in the gel test results, my hunch is it will zip right thru, so if penetration is your thing then the 90gr ext pen or the 100gr hardcast will fit the need. I will do more as I get time, regarding... chrony, accuracy, feeding/ejection |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:03:23 AM EDT
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Here is a device i rigged up to test with and trap bullets.
It appears it will take at least two of these (back to back), a 380 jhp went thru the 4 gallons of bags yesterday. I will play with this setup more, less mess to clean up and bags are cheaper than gallons of water. It is a bit less dramatic than the gallon jugs as the video shows.  </img /> </img /> |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:21:19 PM EDT
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Used two crates and experimented with the water, got the bags real full and snug in the containers.
UW 90gr XTP JHP 380 went 18" after 2 layers of denim, bullet mushroomed and expanded perfectly. Velocity was 1027fps  </img /> </img /> </img /> </img /> </img /> </img /> |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:19:07 PM EDT
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Sounds great. I did 5 jug tests yesterday, also did what I call a plywood sandwich test (trademarked) 
I clamped together 8 layers of plywood pieces and put 11 different rounds into it, marked em while shooting as to which load into which hole. Then took it apart layer at a time to see where they stopped and marked each bullet as to how far they made it, all bullets were recovered. You may be asking what will that data show ?? hell if I know.. 
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I think ill have time on wed to do my testing. .380 sig v crown, 9mm & .40 hst through a simulated car door into water jugs
I clamped together 8 layers of plywood pieces and put 11 different rounds into it, marked em while shooting as to which load into which hole. Then took it apart layer at a time to see where they stopped and marked each bullet as to how far they made it, all bullets were recovered. You may be asking what will that data show ?? hell if I know..
Good info to know if we are ever invaded by the Laminate people of Romulous 7 |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good info to know if we are ever invaded by the Laminate people of Romulous 7 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think ill have time on wed to do my testing. .380 sig v crown, 9mm & .40 hst through a simulated car door into water jugs I clamped together 8 layers of plywood pieces and put 11 different rounds into it, marked em while shooting as to which load into which hole. Then took it apart layer at a time to see where they stopped and marked each bullet as to how far they made it, all bullets were recovered. You may be asking what will that data show ?? hell if I know.. Good info to know if we are ever invaded by the Laminate people of Romulous 7 |
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Posted: 10/2/2016 9:15:42 AM EDT
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Will get some more plywood test results up later today with bullet pics.
Hope to get to some car doors this month.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 2:35:08 PM EDT
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Here are the bullets and loads that penetrated the 4th panel..2.66"
Two more to come that got the fifth panel, one 9mm and one 380  </img /> </img /> |
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Posted: 10/6/2016 7:28:05 AM EDT
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Bump
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Posted: 10/10/2016 8:09:25 PM EDT
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Gonna put up the last 2 rounds from the plywood later.
My official gel tester e-mailed me a bit ago..."380 will fuck you up"...his words.   </img /> |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 9:41:09 AM EDT
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Gonna put up the last 2 rounds from the plywood later. My official gel tester e-mailed me a bit ago..."380 will fuck you up"...his words.
That it will. I suppose that's why no one volunteers to take a round for the team to prove how "under powered" it is 
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Posted: 10/11/2016 12:14:31 PM EDT
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As promised here are the 2 bullets that penetrated the most in the plywood sandwich test.
Note the 380 plugged up and acted as a fmj, the 9mm, is my carry load. Some of the 380's did better than I expected in hard wood penetration. Coming soon ...sheet metal, animal meat and bone, and who knows   </img /> </img /> |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 1:04:50 AM EDT
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147gr HST G19 |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 7:08:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks, I was hoping you would be back  If you have the data from how much distance you got from em please post it, I assume water jugs ? Thanks for letting us know the bullet and pistol, if you chrono em, post that also. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 8:13:40 AM EDT
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It made it to the 3rd jug, really did a number on the first two. Distance was 10ft.
This was a factory load so approx 950fps if I had to guess. Wish I had more jugs! We only go through a couple gallons of milk a week. More to come... |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 8:31:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It made it to the 3rd jug, really did a number on the first two. Distance was 10ft. This was a factory load so approx 950fps if I had to guess. Wish I had more jugs! We only go through a couple gallons of milk a week. More to come... |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 12:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHere is a 380 with 90gr xtp. Recovered from water jugs, test.  </img /> |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 4:49:07 PM EDT
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Here are the official gel test results from Arfcomer 10mm_
He does a very nice job of detailing the loads and his video work is great. I really appreciate him taking his time to do this, it is about 14 minutes and worth it if you are not sure of the potential of the .380 It will get er done. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 7:29:43 AM EDT
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I didn't get to any barrier testing this weekend.
I will try to post some up soon. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 1:26:46 AM EDT
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I really want to take some time and test these style bullets on hogs. I want a broadside shot thru the front shoulder into the vitals and see how it penetrates and the tissue/vital damage that it does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I took detailed notes with every shot, but they're at home.If I recall that was 4 jugs total. That bullets big brother (90GR Ext Penetrator +P), was not captured, 6 jugs pass thru and bounced off plywood for parts unknown. That is impressive Saw one test on YT where a saboted a .44 cal Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator. Shot it out of an inline muzzleloader. The thing about quatered the gel block. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 7:03:36 AM EDT
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Saw one test on YT where a saboted a .44 cal Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator. Shot it out of an inline muzzleloader. The thing about quatered the gel block. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really want to take some time and test these style bullets on hogs. I want a broadside shot thru the front shoulder into the vitals and see how it penetrates and the tissue/vital damage that it does. Saw one test on YT where a saboted a .44 cal Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator. Shot it out of an inline muzzleloader. The thing about quatered the gel block. I believe this may be the one you are refering to, it's pretty neat. Start at about the 2 min mark. Lehigh 45 in muzzleloader |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:45:35 AM EDT
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Sometimes when testing, shit happens
75yds with G19, put a lil slice on it. 
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