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Posted: 5/30/2015 1:58:05 AM EDT
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Do you know the round count on the broken Glock pictured above?
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Posted: 5/30/2015 10:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
Thanks OP! I have a Q. about a pistol most Americans have never even heard of: the 75 or CZ-75. These have only been around since the early 1980s which makes them brand new to most gun enthusiasts. Most times at the range, I'll get one or two shooters asking "whuz zat??" When they see one of my 75s - but then thy get all huffy if I refer to their 1911 as a "Colt 45" or call their Taurus a "Smith and Wesson." Anywho, does your range have any 75s for rent? If so, how do they hold up? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
Originally Posted By Mike92GT:
FWIW my P226 DAK has about 12k rounds through it and there is virtually no frame rail wear. I do liberally grease the rails and clean and re-lube after each range trip. My first P226, which never got greased, showed a fair amount of wear after 3k rounds or so. Lesson learned there. Originally Posted By Makarov:
Originally Posted By 1MRBEAN:
Can you give any info on the SIG frame rail wear ? . SIG owners seem to really freak out if the rails get a shiny silver color. In for the answer. I was going to post the same question. Also, I have always been advised to pay close attention to the lubrication of SIG slides including the type of lube, frequency of lube and placement of lube. In my experience rental guns tend to be rode hard and put away wet. Does your shop pay any special attention to the SIG rentals? Thanks OP! I have a Q. about a pistol most Americans have never even heard of: the 75 or CZ-75. These have only been around since the early 1980s which makes them brand new to most gun enthusiasts. Most times at the range, I'll get one or two shooters asking "whuz zat??" When they see one of my 75s - but then thy get all huffy if I refer to their 1911 as a "Colt 45" or call their Taurus a "Smith and Wesson." Anywho, does your range have any 75s for rent? If so, how do they hold up? There's lots of '75s in competition. They hold up about like a cheap 1911 from what I've seen. The mags are better, but the small parts are mostly cast.... |
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Posted: 5/30/2015 10:51:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We use their ammo for several reasons.. honesty, quality and reliability. We've dealt with Federal/ATK over the years and THE MOMENT there is any type of ammo hysteria they will immediately cancel all existing orders and be gracious enough to let us re-order the same ammo at a higher price. Magtech has never pulled that on us and always kept an open order regardless of any sales hype. The ammo has always run clean in our weapons and the ammo has been consistent from lot to lot. Lastly, all of our weapons function on it where others are loaded to light or primers back out and jam the weapons. The honesty is the biggest concern for me because there's nothing like getting an email from Federal ATK saying that all the ammo that we agreed to sell you two months ago is much more valuable now and we are going back on our word. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By seamasterpro:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
What brand of ammo do you run? Do you sell the ammo by the magazine or by the box? We are a 100% rental range only. Customers don't bring their firearms and rent lanes. We cater to the tourist market here in Las Vegas. An example is an MP5 rental. A guest can come in and rent an MP5 or Uzi for $29 and that includes one 25-round magazine, eye/ear protection and target. Also, we load the weapon for the customer and the RSO hands it over to the customer and then we take control of the weapon as soon as it's empty. As for ammo, we use Magtech ammo for most of the handgun calibers, Privi Partizan for .30-06, .308, .303Brit, 8mm Mauser and a couple of the larger handgun calibers. When it comes to quality control, I will say that Magtech has the least issues but they ALL have provided us ammo with an upside primer or a bullet seated upside down. V/R Ron Interesting, why do you use Magtech? Do they give good discount prices to ranges? It's been maybe two years since I've shot any but when I did it was excessively dirty, I would think that would be a hindrance with rental guns as you would need to clean them more often, however that's what a few local places run in their rental guns as well. I work across the street from their corporate headquarters so I figured the local ranges used it because of convenience. We use their ammo for several reasons.. honesty, quality and reliability. We've dealt with Federal/ATK over the years and THE MOMENT there is any type of ammo hysteria they will immediately cancel all existing orders and be gracious enough to let us re-order the same ammo at a higher price. Magtech has never pulled that on us and always kept an open order regardless of any sales hype. The ammo has always run clean in our weapons and the ammo has been consistent from lot to lot. Lastly, all of our weapons function on it where others are loaded to light or primers back out and jam the weapons. The honesty is the biggest concern for me because there's nothing like getting an email from Federal ATK saying that all the ammo that we agreed to sell you two months ago is much more valuable now and we are going back on our word. V/R Ron Thanks for the response, I'll have to try Magtech again, sounds like a stand-up company! |
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Posted: 5/30/2015 11:11:42 AM EDT
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Why do the RSOs hate the Berettas?
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Posted: 5/30/2015 11:43:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rockstar4960:
Why do the RSOs hate the Berettas? Because they are all prior service. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 5/30/2015 4:08:01 PM EDT
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Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2015 4:26:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDoubleU: +1 TW25B bottom lip of the rails specifically. I'm over 5k through my 226R. I swapped out the factory recoil spring and plastic guide rod at 1k rounds (was plastic). Replaced them with a fat stainless guide rod and Pink +P power springs from Gray guns. They are for hotter loads but I run standard pressure through it. After 4k rounds it is still has more snap then a factory spring. Actually I just saw they have them for the 229 as well... Though it actually came with a metal one, don't know if I want to mess with it. Had to have the barrel replaced initially before it started working... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDoubleU: Originally Posted By Makarov: Originally Posted By 1MRBEAN: Can you give any info on the SIG frame rail wear ? . SIG owners seem to really freak out if the rails get a shiny silver color. In for the answer. I was going to post the same question. Also, I have always been advised to pay close attention to the lubrication of SIG slides including the type of lube, frequency of lube and placement of lube. In my experience rental guns tend to be rode hard and put away wet. Does your shop pay any special attention to the SIG rentals? +1 TW25B bottom lip of the rails specifically. I'm over 5k through my 226R. I swapped out the factory recoil spring and plastic guide rod at 1k rounds (was plastic). Replaced them with a fat stainless guide rod and Pink +P power springs from Gray guns. They are for hotter loads but I run standard pressure through it. After 4k rounds it is still has more snap then a factory spring. Actually I just saw they have them for the 229 as well... Though it actually came with a metal one, don't know if I want to mess with it. Had to have the barrel replaced initially before it started working... |
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Posted: 5/30/2015 5:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWODaddy:
I have 11-12k of 40/357 through my 226 and my observation is that the gun will get all the observable wear it's going to get on the frame rails after the first 1k. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWODaddy:
Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Originally Posted By Makarov:
Originally Posted By 1MRBEAN:
Can you give any info on the SIG frame rail wear ? . SIG owners seem to really freak out if the rails get a shiny silver color. In for the answer. I was going to post the same question. Also, I have always been advised to pay close attention to the lubrication of SIG slides including the type of lube, frequency of lube and placement of lube. In my experience rental guns tend to be rode hard and put away wet. Does your shop pay any special attention to the SIG rentals? +1 TW25B bottom lip of the rails specifically. I'm over 5k through my 226R. I swapped out the factory recoil spring and plastic guide rod at 1k rounds (was plastic). Replaced them with a fat stainless guide rod and Pink +P power springs from Gray guns. They are for hotter loads but I run standard pressure through it. After 4k rounds it is still has more snap then a factory spring. Actually I just saw they have them for the 229 as well... Though it actually came with a metal one, don't know if I want to mess with it. Had to have the barrel replaced initially before it started working... I think you maybe right. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 12:03:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDoubleU: I think you maybe right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDoubleU: Originally Posted By SWODaddy: I have 11-12k of 40/357 through my 226 and my observation is that the gun will get all the observable wear it's going to get on the frame rails after the first 1k. I think you maybe right. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 1:05:46 AM EDT
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Interesting post. Can somebody bring me up to speed is this a range or a training location?
I second Magtech ammo. I have used it for years and was concerned at first with it being Brazilian made. Very accurate, full power ammo. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2015 6:38:41 AM EDT
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Ok it's a range, went back and reread OP.
One of my first jobs as a Gunsmith was to fix the rental guns at a local range. The guns were run with little to no lube or cleaning until something broke. The guns should rotated out and cleaned, safety check, and sold at certain times maybe once a year. The round count is going way over what the companies design the guns for. If this isn't possible then I would reccommend Taking the grips off and dropping these in a ultra sonic cleaner followed by lube would help some. Recoil spring changes at proper intervals could also help. Last replacement of certain key parts such as the extractors on the Springfield 1911's could be replaced with something along the lines of Wilson Bullet proof extractors. Stronger non mim part. There is a education to be had here on the weak points of the differant designs. |
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Posted: 5/31/2015 11:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will sign back on later tonight to try and answer some questions but here's a Glock 17 Gen 4 that was just brought into my office. We haven't had a Glock slide brake like this before. http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg That might have been banged or dropped while renting or cleaning. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 12:04:17 AM EDT
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Quote:We use their ammo for several reasons.. honesty, quality and reliability. We've dealt with Federal/ATK over the years and THE MOMENT there is any type of ammo hysteria they will immediately cancel all existing orders and be gracious enough to let us re-order the same ammo at a higher price. Magtech has never pulled that on us and always kept an open order regardless of any sales hype. The ammo has always run clean in our weapons and the ammo has been consistent from lot to lot. Lastly, all of our weapons function on it where others are loaded to light or primers back out and jam the weapons.
The honesty is the biggest concern for me because there's nothing like getting an email from Federal ATK saying that all the ammo that we agreed to sell you two months ago is much more valuable now and we are going back on our word. Thanks for that info. 
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:21:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
The factory recoil springs are amazing because the just keep going. Failure to replace those springs at regular intervals likely contributed to the demise of those slides. Our Beretta M92's...the one that all the RSO's hate, also hold up very well. In the last two years with the same four Beretta's, we've only replaced one barrel and "locking piece" that sits under the barrel. The locking blocks should be replaced at 20,000-30,000 rounds with new and properly fitted locking blocks. Recoil springs should be changed out regularly, too...or you will get cracked slides. Notice a pattern here? With rental guns it may not be worth it to your employer to perform detailed armorer-level maintenance for your guns. Doing so, however, would make them last longer. Only fixing something once the gun breaks is how you get catastrophic breakages. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 10:39:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: John_Wayne777]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWODaddy:
I have 11-12k of 40/357 through my 226 and my observation is that the gun will get all the observable wear it's going to get on the frame rails after the first 1k. The SigForum glamour-shot style dudes panic over some seriously dumb shit. They supposedly buy Sigs because the SEALs use them, and then freak the fuck out when they exhibit perfectly normal signs of finish wear on high-friction areas. It's retarded. But, yeah...at a certain point the finish wear is pretty much set. The silvering of the top of the barrel from finish wear gets a bit worse as round count goes on, but that's more or less it. The exterior will show wear (like the arc of the decocker if it is used a lot) but it's not a big deal. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 12:35:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 1:14:57 PM EDT
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Fantastic post! June 1, and already best/most useful thread of the month has been found. This data is the best ever.
Any data on Walther P99 (Not the P22, those a crap) or CZ-75's? Also, could you please post a link to your other threads related to high round count observations on other arms? I missed those, and would enjoy reading them very much. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 2:01:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: America-first]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. 
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Posted: 6/1/2015 2:15:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Raining_Brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By America-first:
I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. So you took me off ignore to read a post of mine then put me back on? My, aren't you a bright bulb. 1911's are junk. Suck it. Those 1911's probably see no more use than any of the other pistols they offer. They just break more because that's what 1911's do - break. I look forward to your response after you "take me off your ignore list." 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 2:15:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By America-first:
I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. I love my 1911, but I'm not surprised. It's like the old BMW motorcycle shirt. It shows an airplane with chains going from the engine to the prop's, shaped like a Harley, and says:" If Harley made a plane, would you fly it?" Point being, Harley's were cool and all, but mechanically, sucked compared to more modern and refined machines (like a BMW bike). (Before hackles raise, I think Harley's supposedly have gotten better since then). Heh, if you could get a car made by Glock, or by Colt, which would you buy? |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 3:04:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Raining_Brass:
1911's are junk. And you say I frequently post wrong information on the forum. 
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 3:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bradd_D:
And you say I frequently post wrong information on the forum.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bradd_D:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
1911's are junk. And you say I frequently post wrong information on the forum.
That's not wrong information. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 4:55:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Geralt55]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By America-first:
I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. They do! 
Older design, handfit parts and all that jazz. I have a 1911, love it lots, I choose it first - but if you want to get a pistol and treat it like a lawnmower, you're best off with something like a 9mm block. That's the truth Keep in mind we're seeing production 1911s in that box - not saying that that custom/semi-custom 1911s are magical, but when you have quality parts put together by someone who knows what they're doing, you have much better odds of getting a pistol that wears in properly, and that helps your chances of being problem free for more time than say: A production pistol with questionable extractor tension out of the box to begin with, that's now getting shot by captain "Let's try to hook the bullet when the R/O isn't looking..." types all week. I love 1911s, but seeing a bunch of them in that box is not a surprise. Properly maintained, 1911 slides and frames have long lives on them |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:00:32 PM EDT
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The biggest issue I had with 1911's was extractors. a properly fitted and tuned extractor is part luck and part voodoo. But they all wear out eventually.
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NE, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Raining_Brass:
So you took me off ignore to read a post of mine then put me back on? My, aren't you a bright bulb. 1911's are junk. Suck it. Those 1911's probably see no more use than any of the other pistols they offer. They just break more because that's what 1911's do - break. I look forward to your response after you "take me off your ignore list." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. So you took me off ignore to read a post of mine then put me back on? My, aren't you a bright bulb. 1911's are junk. Suck it. Those 1911's probably see no more use than any of the other pistols they offer. They just break more because that's what 1911's do - break. I look forward to your response after you "take me off your ignore list." Sounds like a troll if I ever knew one. Hopefully your ignorant posts don't get this thread locked because I really have enjoyed it thus far. Nothing like knocking a design that has been around and in service for over 100 years. Considering that some 1911's in Marine Corps service have WW1 and WW2 era frames with countless number of rounds on them, I would wager that the 1911 is a strong design. Those 1911's are in the box likely for extractor problems (I can see one definitely is). This tends to happen with internal extractors that are not the highest quality. Doesn't matter if the gun is a sig p228, a browning hi power, or a 1911, a low quality mim internal extractor is going to break prematurely. There is a reason the originals were made of spring steel. This is not to mention the fact that those 1911's are probably one of the most common guns rented because everyone but you generally loves them. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:23:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH:
The biggest issue I had with 1911's was extractors. a properly fitted and tuned extractor is part luck and part voodoo. But they all wear out eventually. Complete, utter buulshit. You likely had magazine problems and didn't know it. A proper 1911 like most any Colt, and an proper extractor, like most any Colt, is usually a drop-in part and will last at least as long as a barrel. Out of spec slides and aftermarket extractors are where the black majik tuning nightmare reputation comes from. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:23:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Raining_Brass]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xoldsmugglerx:
Sounds like a troll if I ever knew one. Hopefully your ignorant posts don't get this thread locked because I really have enjoyed it thus far. Nothing like knocking a design that has been around and in service for over 100 years. Considering that some 1911's in Marine Corps service have WW1 and WW2 era frames with countless number of rounds on them, I would wager that the 1911 is a strong design. Those 1911's are in the box likely for extractor problems (I can see one definitely is). This tends to happen with internal extractors that are not the highest quality. Doesn't matter if the gun is a sig p228, a browning hi power, or a 1911, a low quality mim internal extractor is going to break prematurely. There is a reason the originals were made of spring steel. This is not to mention the fact that those 1911's are probably one of the most common guns rented because everyone but you generally loves them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xoldsmugglerx:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Raining_Brass:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Just found this in my office vault (we have two vaults on property) while looking for some CZ Scorpion magazines. This is about average for the number of handguns down at any given time. http://i.imgur.com/tcPgifn.jpg Almost half the box is 1911's...go figure. I figure that due to the allure that 1911s pose to the OP's customer demographic, it's likely that those particular pistols get lots more use than the others. Alternatively, 1911s may need more maintenance than some of the plastics, or that box reflects nothing more than what guns are down on that particular day. In either event, all of the pistols in the OP's business inventory probably see more hard use than most of their specific type anywhere on the planet yet according to the OP; they all appear to be providing excellent service. Now back on ignore you go. So you took me off ignore to read a post of mine then put me back on? My, aren't you a bright bulb. 1911's are junk. Suck it. Those 1911's probably see no more use than any of the other pistols they offer. They just break more because that's what 1911's do - break. I look forward to your response after you "take me off your ignore list." Sounds like a troll if I ever knew one. Hopefully your ignorant posts don't get this thread locked because I really have enjoyed it thus far. Nothing like knocking a design that has been around and in service for over 100 years. Considering that some 1911's in Marine Corps service have WW1 and WW2 era frames with countless number of rounds on them, I would wager that the 1911 is a strong design. Those 1911's are in the box likely for extractor problems (I can see one definitely is). This tends to happen with internal extractors that are not the highest quality. Doesn't matter if the gun is a sig p228, a browning hi power, or a 1911, a low quality mim internal extractor is going to break prematurely. There is a reason the originals were made of spring steel. This is not to mention the fact that those 1911's are probably one of the most common guns rented because everyone but you generally loves them. Lol. You are so mad right now. I'm the only one who doesn't like 1911's...meanwhile there are even instructors who would rather you not even bring a 1911 to their classes because they constantly fail and take time away from students who brought a gun worth a shit. Great guns though... |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:25:29 PM EDT
[#28]
I'd rather not lock this thread and don't want to have to edit all the things that need to be edited.
Keep it on topic, stop bashing each other and pistols you don't like. I greatly appreciate the input from all the posters here, let's keep the forum going in the right direction please. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:26:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21:
Thanks OP! I have a Q. about a pistol most Americans have never even heard of: the 75 or CZ-75. These have only been around since the early 1980s which makes them brand new to most gun enthusiasts. Most times at the range, I'll get one or two shooters asking "whuz zat??" When they see one of my 75s - but then thy get all huffy if I refer to their 1911 as a "Colt 45" or call their Taurus a "Smith and Wesson." Anywho, does your range have any 75s for rent? If so, how do they hold up? Woah, what is this thing? I've never heard of it! I think I can speak for most of this board that this gun is unknown to us. Slick, how about you tell us more about this super unique gun that only you seem to know about? Must be really cool to be the only guy at the range with that piece! |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:29:39 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pinhooker:
<> This is a tech forum. Please keep your smartass comments to yourself.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:36:03 PM EDT
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[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bcauz3y:
This is a tech forum. Please keep your smartass comments to yourself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By pinhooker:
<> This is a tech forum. Please keep your smartass comments to yourself. Comment removed - warning sent |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:36:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Raining_Brass:
meanwhile there are even instructors who would rather you not even bring a 1911 to their classes because they constantly fail and take time away from students who brought a gun worth a shit. That has more to do with the fact that students bring guns that have been modified incorrectly or they bring magazines and ammunition that are of poor quality. |
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Posted: 6/1/2015 5:43:04 PM EDT
[#33]
Next off topic post will earn a warning and a timeout.
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Posted: 6/1/2015 6:24:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Most of this thread has been great, let's get back to that! I demand more pics of your well used rental guns, OP!
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:47:25 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hero:
Most of this thread has been great, let's get back to that! I demand more pics of your well used rental guns, OP! It's been non-stop busy since Thursday and I've tried to post an update here and there. On top of that, my operations manager is going on his 3-week AT along with three of my RSO's we are preparing to stay just as busy but short-staffed. I will try and get pics of the Beretta's, Sigs and th Glocks tomorrow. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 5:23:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
It's been non-stop busy since Thursday and I've tried to post an update here and there. On top of that, my operations manager is going on his 3-week AT along with three of my RSO's we are preparing to stay just as busy but short-staffed. I will try and get pics of the Beretta's, Sigs and th Glocks tomorrow. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Hero:
Most of this thread has been great, let's get back to that! I demand more pics of your well used rental guns, OP! It's been non-stop busy since Thursday and I've tried to post an update here and there. On top of that, my operations manager is going on his 3-week AT along with three of my RSO's we are preparing to stay just as busy but short-staffed. I will try and get pics of the Beretta's, Sigs and th Glocks tomorrow. V/R Ron I didn't really mean to bust on ya, more just trying to get the thread back on track. I look forward to the pics anyway though!
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Posted: 6/2/2015 2:39:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
It's been non-stop busy since Thursday and I've tried to post an update here and there. On top of that, my operations manager is going on his 3-week AT along with three of my RSO's we are preparing to stay just as busy but short-staffed. I will try and get pics of the Beretta's, Sigs and th Glocks tomorrow. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Hero:
Most of this thread has been great, let's get back to that! I demand more pics of your well used rental guns, OP! It's been non-stop busy since Thursday and I've tried to post an update here and there. On top of that, my operations manager is going on his 3-week AT along with three of my RSO's we are preparing to stay just as busy but short-staffed. I will try and get pics of the Beretta's, Sigs and th Glocks tomorrow. V/R Ron No problem - love your updates. If you wanted to start a similar thread on AR's (being AR15.com and all), as well as other rifles (like the Steyr AUG and the TAVOR), I'd be OK with that
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Posted: 6/2/2015 2:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: No problem - love your updates. If you wanted to start a similar thread on AR's (being AR15.com and all), as well as other rifles (like the Steyr AUG and the TAVOR), I'd be OK with that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: Originally Posted By Hero: Most of this thread has been great, let's get back to that! I demand more pics of your well used rental guns, OP! It's been non-stop busy since Thursday and I've tried to post an update here and there. On top of that, my operations manager is going on his 3-week AT along with three of my RSO's we are preparing to stay just as busy but short-staffed. I will try and get pics of the Beretta's, Sigs and th Glocks tomorrow. V/R Ron No problem - love your updates. If you wanted to start a similar thread on AR's (being AR15.com and all), as well as other rifles (like the Steyr AUG and the TAVOR), I'd be OK with that Thats a damn good idea. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:58:29 PM EDT
[#39]
So there's pics and talk of catastrophic Glock failures and folks are bashing cheap 1911's that may need some minor repair.
With recoil spring replacement at the appropriate intervals, and an eye on extractor tension, a properly made post war 1911 will last a long time. Extractor failures are quickly accelerated by dropping the slide on a chambered round. As others mentioned it's a wear item and may need adjustment on occasion, and replacement in time. Anything fails with enough use. Like any tool, use or abuse it enough and you'll break it. Lots of service folks are bashing M9's lately as many are getting long in the tooth. Anything decent is great when new. Anything nearing the end of its service life can suck, especially when maintained only when broken. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 6:27:01 PM EDT
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Extractors won't lose tension if you don't have inertia feed issues. I've seen extractors go to ridiculous round counts in competition 1911s. The guy I travelled to matches and classes with had a Colt/Essex that had been rebarreled twice, with about 100K rounds on it, on the original Colt extractor that had never once lost tension.
A proper 1911 extractor does not do much when set up correctly. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 8:12:13 AM EDT
[#41]
I'm trying to find the HendersonDefense's AK thread. I'm logged in under my user name, but the search function does not allow me to search by user name. I know that "public" searches (not sure what those are) cannot search by user name. What am I doing wrong?
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Posted: 6/3/2015 9:29:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rubicon923: I'm trying to find the HendersonDefense's AK thread. I'm logged in under my user name, but the search function does not allow me to search by user name. I know that "public" searches (not sure what those are) cannot search by user name. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Uh. It's on page 1 in the AK Discussions forum. I feel a little conflicted about sharing with you yay-hoos. The AK thread has been excellent. Please keep your bickering out of it! |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 2:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: The SigForum glamour-shot style dudes panic over some seriously dumb shit. They supposedly buy Sigs because the SEALs use them, and then freak the fuck out when they exhibit perfectly normal signs of finish wear on high-friction areas. It's retarded. But, yeah...at a certain point the finish wear is pretty much set. The silvering of the top of the barrel from finish wear gets a bit worse as round count goes on, but that's more or less it. The exterior will show wear (like the arc of the decocker if it is used a lot) but it's not a big deal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Originally Posted By SWODaddy: I have 11-12k of 40/357 through my 226 and my observation is that the gun will get all the observable wear it's going to get on the frame rails after the first 1k. The SigForum glamour-shot style dudes panic over some seriously dumb shit. They supposedly buy Sigs because the SEALs use them, and then freak the fuck out when they exhibit perfectly normal signs of finish wear on high-friction areas. It's retarded. But, yeah...at a certain point the finish wear is pretty much set. The silvering of the top of the barrel from finish wear gets a bit worse as round count goes on, but that's more or less it. The exterior will show wear (like the arc of the decocker if it is used a lot) but it's not a big deal. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 3:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hornet:
Uh. It's on page 1 in the AK Discussions forum. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/159106_AK_abuse__home_built_version_update_on_Page_6_.html&page=1 I feel a little conflicted about sharing with you yay-hoos. The AK thread has been excellent. Please keep your bickering out of it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hornet:
Originally Posted By rubicon923:
I'm trying to find the HendersonDefense's AK thread. I'm logged in under my user name, but the search function does not allow me to search by user name. I know that "public" searches (not sure what those are) cannot search by user name. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Uh. It's on page 1 in the AK Discussions forum. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/159106_AK_abuse__home_built_version_update_on_Page_6_.html&page=1 I feel a little conflicted about sharing with you yay-hoos. The AK thread has been excellent. Please keep your bickering out of it! Thanks very much. |
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Posted: 6/3/2015 3:21:29 PM EDT
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Have you noticed a life expectancy difference between 9mm and 40S&W when using similar platforms (Glock 22 vs 17, P226 in both calibers, etc)?
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Posted: 6/4/2015 5:02:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N4sty_N4te:
I'm feeling pretty good about my Gen3s right about now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N4sty_N4te:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will sign back on later tonight to try and answer some questions but here's a Glock 17 Gen 4 that was just brought into my office. We haven't had a Glock slide brake like this before. http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg I'm feeling pretty good about my Gen3s right about now. It's happened on previous generations as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKliAq-PpFg |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 6:59:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We are a 100% rental range only. Customers don't bring their firearms and rent lanes. We cater to the tourist market here in Las Vegas. An example is an MP5 rental. A guest can come in and rent an MP5 or Uzi for $29 and that includes one 25-round magazine, eye/ear protection and target. Also, we load the weapon for the customer and the RSO hands it over to the customer and then we take control of the weapon as soon as it's empty. As for ammo, we use Magtech ammo for most of the handgun calibers, Privi Partizan for .30-06, .308, .303Brit, 8mm Mauser and a couple of the larger handgun calibers. When it comes to quality control, I will say that Magtech has the least issues but they ALL have provided us ammo with an upside primer or a bullet seated upside down. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
What brand of ammo do you run? Do you sell the ammo by the magazine or by the box? We are a 100% rental range only. Customers don't bring their firearms and rent lanes. We cater to the tourist market here in Las Vegas. An example is an MP5 rental. A guest can come in and rent an MP5 or Uzi for $29 and that includes one 25-round magazine, eye/ear protection and target. Also, we load the weapon for the customer and the RSO hands it over to the customer and then we take control of the weapon as soon as it's empty. As for ammo, we use Magtech ammo for most of the handgun calibers, Privi Partizan for .30-06, .308, .303Brit, 8mm Mauser and a couple of the larger handgun calibers. When it comes to quality control, I will say that Magtech has the least issues but they ALL have provided us ammo with an upside primer or a bullet seated upside down. V/R Ron Holy shit, I am so stopping by next time I'm in Vegas. 
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Posted: 6/6/2015 7:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N4sty_N4te:
I'm feeling pretty good about my Gen3s right about now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N4sty_N4te:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will sign back on later tonight to try and answer some questions but here's a Glock 17 Gen 4 that was just brought into my office. We haven't had a Glock slide brake like this before. http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg I'm feeling pretty good about my Gen3s right about now. Don't be, you're ignorant to think it can't happen to any pistol. |
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Posted: 6/9/2015 9:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosebudteg:
Have you noticed a life expectancy difference between 9mm and 40S&W when using similar platforms (Glock 22 vs 17, P226 in both calibers, etc)? This. |
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Posted: 6/9/2015 11:40:36 AM EDT
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What I'm curious about is if there is a difference in wear in stainless versus carbon steel guns. It's my understanding that stainless steel is softer than carbon. (I'm not sure where anodized aluminum falls into the spectrum on the Rockwell scale of hardness).
Also specific to Sigs, I wonder if the slides show different degrees of wear when comparing the solid stainless and the folded carbon steel. The folded slides have the front section welded to the rest of the slide and I've heard that can be a breaking point. |
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