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Posted: 11/4/2016 11:50:44 AM EDT
[#1]
Stay on topic please.
Let's not muck this thread up. 
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Posted: 11/4/2016 12:17:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: USMC_Dad]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Maynard:
Stay on topic please. Let's not muck this thread up. Whatever "Dennis Hopper" 
Seriously, I believe my point is indeed "On Topic" Glocks work. However......... Off to get my Sig P320 FDE Compact out of Layaway. So there. 
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Posted: 11/4/2016 12:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_Dad:
Whatever "Dennis Hopper"
Seriously, I believe my point is indeed "On Topic" Glocks work. However......... Off to get my Sig P320 FDE Compact out of Layaway. So there.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_Dad:
Originally Posted By Maynard:
Stay on topic please. Let's not muck this thread up. Whatever "Dennis Hopper"
Seriously, I believe my point is indeed "On Topic" Glocks work. However......... Off to get my Sig P320 FDE Compact out of Layaway. So there.
Fair enough, enjoy your new Sig.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/14/2016 10:08:17 PM EDT
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Ron, do you have any FN Five-Seven pistols on the line? Would like to hear your experience with them if you do.
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Posted: 11/19/2016 9:36:20 PM EDT
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Thanks for updating this
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Posted: 11/27/2016 3:11:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889:
Ron, do you have any FN Five-Seven pistols on the line? Would like to hear your experience with them if you do. We have had FN Five-Seven pistols on the line since almost opening date and to my knowledge, not one has been taken off the line due to parts failure. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 11/27/2016 7:52:01 PM EDT
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Wow, that's pretty amazing.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 6:39:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We have had FN Five-Seven pistols on the line since almost opening date and to my knowledge, not one has been taken off the line due to parts failure. V/R Ron Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By rb889:
Ron, do you have any FN Five-Seven pistols on the line? Would like to hear your experience with them if you do. We have had FN Five-Seven pistols on the line since almost opening date and to my knowledge, not one has been taken off the line due to parts failure. V/R Ron I am a big Five seveN fan. I have 3, two older USGs and a MKII. I have shot thousands of rounds through them and have never had a single malfunction. The guns simply don't get dirty. You can shoot 500 rounds through a Five seveN and it is still as clean as when you cleaned it. Really amazing guns and my daily carry. Any idea how many rounds through them? Do they see much action? How often do you change the recoil springs? Thanks Ron. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 8:40:42 PM EDT
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Just today discovered this thread, what a great collection of information!
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Posted: 11/28/2016 10:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HarrishMasher:
I am a big Five seveN fan. I have 3, two older USGs and a MKII. I have shot thousands of rounds through them and have never had a single malfunction. The guns simply don't get dirty. You can shoot 500 rounds through a Five seveN and it is still as clean as when you cleaned it. Really amazing guns and my daily carry. Any idea how many rounds through them? Do they see much action? How often do you change the recoil springs? Thanks Ron. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HarrishMasher:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By rb889:
Ron, do you have any FN Five-Seven pistols on the line? Would like to hear your experience with them if you do. We have had FN Five-Seven pistols on the line since almost opening date and to my knowledge, not one has been taken off the line due to parts failure. V/R Ron I am a big Five seveN fan. I have 3, two older USGs and a MKII. I have shot thousands of rounds through them and have never had a single malfunction. The guns simply don't get dirty. You can shoot 500 rounds through a Five seveN and it is still as clean as when you cleaned it. Really amazing guns and my daily carry. Any idea how many rounds through them? Do they see much action? How often do you change the recoil springs? Thanks Ron. To bad the terminal performance sucks 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2016 3:27:06 PM EDT
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Have you had any issues with brass hitting people in the face with the Glocks? In my pre purchase research on the G19 I've see people mention this a few places online as if it's an epidemic, just curious as to your experience at the range.
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USA
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Posted: 11/29/2016 3:50:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HarrishMasher]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN:
To bad the terminal performance sucks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN:
Originally Posted By HarrishMasher:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By rb889:
Ron, do you have any FN Five-Seven pistols on the line? Would like to hear your experience with them if you do. We have had FN Five-Seven pistols on the line since almost opening date and to my knowledge, not one has been taken off the line due to parts failure. V/R Ron I am a big Five seveN fan. I have 3, two older USGs and a MKII. I have shot thousands of rounds through them and have never had a single malfunction. The guns simply don't get dirty. You can shoot 500 rounds through a Five seveN and it is still as clean as when you cleaned it. Really amazing guns and my daily carry. Any idea how many rounds through them? Do they see much action? How often do you change the recoil springs? Thanks Ron. To bad the terminal performance sucks Should really stay on topic and not throw stuff like this out there. That said, I thought the same. Then I actually did the research. The most obvious is Ft Hood. Do a little research and read the results. There there are plenty of other instances of animal and human shootings scattered around the web. And tons of gel and barrier tests on youtube. The results show 5.7 from a pistol is at least as effective as any major pistol service caliber, maybe even a little more so. Do the research. And if you start looking at the exotic rounds like T6B or S4M from Elite Ammo, you are going through Level III vests and getting 16" to 18" penetration in gel with a mean wound cavity from a pistol! Check it out on youtube. 2600 fps from a freaking pistol. Let's just leave it at that and not detract from this thread anymore. Everyone go and do the actual research and start another thread or something. Just so tired of the detractors who have never even touched a 5.7 or read any actual data. Knowing what I know, it is hard to leave the house carrying something other than my Five seveN loaded up with 21 rounds of EA T6B. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 12/8/2016 12:04:34 AM EDT
[#13]
How are the Sig 320s holding up?
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USA
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Posted: 12/8/2016 2:03:56 PM EDT
[#14]
any Beretta px4's
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Posted: 12/17/2016 5:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HarrishMasher:
Should really stay on topic and not throw stuff like this out there. That said, I thought the same. Then I actually did the research. The most obvious is Ft Hood. Do a little research and read the results. There there are plenty of other instances of animal and human shootings scattered around the web. And tons of gel and barrier tests on youtube. The results show 5.7 from a pistol is at least as effective as any major pistol service caliber, maybe even a little more so. Do the research. And if you start looking at the exotic rounds like T6B or S4M from Elite Ammo, you are going through Level III vests and getting 16" to 18" penetration in gel with a mean wound cavity from a pistol! Check it out on youtube. 2600 fps from a freaking pistol. Let's just leave it at that and not detract from this thread anymore. Everyone go and do the actual research and start another thread or something. Just so tired of the detractors who have never even touched a 5.7 or read any actual data. Knowing what I know, it is hard to leave the house carrying something other than my Five seveN loaded up with 21 rounds of EA T6B. 2200 from a pistol |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2016 11:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN:
To bad the terminal performance sucks Dude in the last 5 min of reading multiple threads, it's pretty clear the only brand you approve of is glock.....move along, people want to learn here. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 11:30:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pennsylvaniaboy:
Dude in the last 5 min of reading multiple threads, it's pretty clear the only brand you approve of is glock.....move along, people want to learn here. Lol that guy carries a Beretta DA/SA IIRC. I'm still amazed RIA 1911s are doing so well. |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 1:33:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556:
Lol that guy carries a Beretta DA/SA IIRC. I'm still amazed RIA 1911s are doing so well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556:
Originally Posted By pennsylvaniaboy:
Dude in the last 5 min of reading multiple threads, it's pretty clear the only brand you approve of is glock.....move along, people want to learn here. Lol that guy carries a Beretta DA/SA IIRC. I'm still amazed RIA 1911s are doing so well. Those Filipinos seem to know what they're doing. |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 6:20:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556:
Lol that guy carries a Beretta DA/SA IIRC. I'm still amazed RIA 1911s are doing so well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AS556:
Originally Posted By pennsylvaniaboy:
Dude in the last 5 min of reading multiple threads, it's pretty clear the only brand you approve of is glock.....move along, people want to learn here. Lol that guy carries a Beretta DA/SA IIRC. I'm still amazed RIA 1911s are doing so well. I know right? I haven't shot a Glock in months. I'm really tempted at a local RIA 1911 in 9mm |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 8:41:20 AM EDT
[#20]
This is an awesome thread.
Please keep it that way by focusing on the topic and not bagging on each other personally. Gracias! 
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USA
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Posted: 12/27/2016 6:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Governor:
2200 from a pistol Actually more than 2200 fps from a Five seveN pistol. How about 2400 from a pistol! Go on youtube and watch all the reviewers who chronograph Elite Ammo T6B and S4M 5.7x28. That's why I carry the Five seveN. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2016 4:53:50 PM EDT
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Is it possible, that since the Gen4 Glocks are more ergonomic (at least according to most people) or have the aura of being the "latest/greatest" version, they get more use than the Gen3?
In my anecdotal experience, I have seen much more breakage in Gen 2 and 3 Glocks because its mostly what I have used. My agency just started issuing the Gen 4 model 22 before I retired. Personally, I believe Glock has made some changes in the past few years, that have affected quality. Maybe a different sours of steel, heat treatment, QC, or something. This thread is priceless due to the daily "torture testing"!!! |
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Posted: 1/17/2017 10:24:48 PM EDT
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Can you give more specific info about the Desert eagles, I know you said pistons fail, Other than that is it just general recoil spring replacement on schedule?
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2017 11:30:38 PM EDT
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Looking forward to seeing how the Sig P320's hold up now that they are adopted! Assuming that BFLV decides to buy some now that they are going to the standard issue.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:47:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slimjim:
Can you give more specific info about the Desert eagles, I know you said pistons fail, Other than that is it just general recoil spring replacement on schedule? The recoil spring is replaced at set intervals but I believe that a spring that keeps the safety in place also fails. I will get more details for you. V/R Ron |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2017 11:15:09 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocGlockster:
You say approx. 9 Glocks. How many total are on the line? Would you hazard a guess that the Gen 4's are "weaker" than previous generations or are they just used more (for example, you have more Gen 4's than 3's and that might explain it). Any chance for an update on this? If you have equal numbers of Gen3 and Gen4 it would be pretty odd for the Gen4s to be failing more often. Then again, maybe the Gen4s get used more often because they're the "latest and greatest" and your range officers tend to grab them. Has Glock given you any feedback on the failure when you sent them in for warranty? |
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Posted: 1/25/2017 12:32:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 762SR25]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Adam-Wayne:
Those Filipinos seem to know what they're doing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Adam-Wayne:
Originally Posted By AS556:
Originally Posted By pennsylvaniaboy:
Dude in the last 5 min of reading multiple threads, it's pretty clear the only brand you approve of is glock.....move along, people want to learn here. Lol that guy carries a Beretta DA/SA IIRC. I'm still amazed RIA 1911s are doing so well. Those Filipinos seem to know what they're doing. Are the Frames still cast? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2017 4:06:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Is it possible, that since the Gen4 Glocks are more ergonomic (at least according to most people) or have the aura of being the "latest/greatest" version, they get more use than the Gen3? In my anecdotal experience, I have seen much more breakage in Gen 2 and 3 Glocks because its mostly what I have used. My agency just started issuing the Gen 4 model 22 before I retired. Personally, I believe Glock has made some changes in the past few years, that have affected quality. Maybe a different sours of steel, heat treatment, QC, or something. This thread is priceless due to the daily "torture testing"!!! Well, I sort of agree. The Tennifer (sp?) on the Gen 2's is supposed to be pretty great, but wow, the ergonomics on my Gen 2... I was borderline thinking about selling it, but took the desperate measure of putting skateboard tape on the grip... and now it at least feels like a weapon I could count on in an emergency (this, after buying it in 1993 and questioning why it slid in my palms ever since...). |
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Posted: 1/25/2017 7:57:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Any gun can fail even with low round counts . Yes even the mighty Glock .
The firing pin broke on my Gen4 model 17 at 8312 rounds . The tip broke off flush with the main body leaving the gun useless until I got another firing pin . |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 1:45:37 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HarrishMasher:
Should really stay on topic and not throw stuff like this out there. That said, I thought the same. Then I actually did the research. The most obvious is Ft Hood. Do a little research and read the results. There there are plenty of other instances of animal and human shootings scattered around the web. And tons of gel and barrier tests on youtube. The results show 5.7 from a pistol is at least as effective as any major pistol service caliber, maybe even a little more so. Do the research. And if you start looking at the exotic rounds like T6B or S4M from Elite Ammo, you are going through Level III vests and getting 16" to 18" penetration in gel with a mean wound cavity from a pistol! Check it out on youtube. 2600 fps from a freaking pistol. Let's just leave it at that and not detract from this thread anymore. Everyone go and do the actual research and start another thread or something. Just so tired of the detractors who have never even touched a 5.7 or read any actual data. Knowing what I know, it is hard to leave the house carrying something other than my Five seveN loaded up with 21 rounds of EA T6B. I've done the research. Elite Ammo has nice marketing. I'm in the "it's .22 WMR" crowd. I still will get one someday. It will never be my primary carry though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 2:07:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XM21Nick:
Any gun can fail even with low round counts . Yes even the mighty Glock . The firing pin broke on my Gen4 model 17 at 8312 rounds . The tip broke off flush with the main body leaving the gun useless until I got another firing pin . I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 2:23:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron Can't be. I think there are some fellows around here that will offer you their extensive experience to prove you are wrong. 
I'll be really interested to see how well the SIG P320's hold up once they gain a following with the recent announcement of adoption by Uncle. Thanks for your info, as usual!!
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Posted: 1/26/2017 12:00:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hfrog355]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron Yeah, this is blaspheme. My neighbor has a brother in law (well, used to be, they're divorced now) who owns a Glock that he shoots hundreds of rounds through every single year and it goes boom every time. It's the perfect handgun. Says so right on the website. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 12:49:03 PM EDT
[#34]
One thing I can tell you about the slides cracking on the left rear side of Glock is that it doesn't affect the function. It continues to stay on target and continues to cycle without issues. When it cracks at the ejection port, the round shoots up and to the left.
Even though the weapon continues to function with the cracked slide, we take it off the line immediately. It's a liability issue and we can't take any chances with safety. V/R Ron |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2017 3:50:35 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
One thing I can tell you about the slides cracking on the left rear side of Glock is that it doesn't affect the function. It continues to stay on target and continues to cycle without issues. When it cracks at the ejection port, the round shoots up and to the left. Even though the weapon continues to function with the cracked slide, we take it off the line immediately. It's a liability issue and we can't take any chances with safety. V/R Ron Doesn't surprise me that the pistols continue to function, even with a cracked slide. But it does beg the question... Why are they cracking in the first place? What's changed since the Gen 3 that could cause it? |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 4:11:25 PM EDT
[#36]
A quick Google search turned up this Gen 3 as well as several Gen 3s with the front ring broken off.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2017 5:09:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goodelleric]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889:
Doesn't surprise me that the pistols continue to function, even with a cracked slide. But it does beg the question... Why are they cracking in the first place? What's changed since the Gen 3 that could cause it? Could be a variation in the material strength in one lot of material? I'm guessing these were all bought in a "batch" and not one by one. I know at least where I work when we order parts, we specify a minimum yield strength. If we ask for 80ksi steel, most of the time it comes in around 85-90ksi. It's possible that the slides are the same way, except maybe this particular batch was right at 80ksi (or a bit below?) or whatever their spec is. If the specification says 80ksi minimum, but the average in practice is around 85ksi, then you could get below average guns that are still in spec. I seem to recall reading they change their recoil springs monthly, I'm not sure how many rounds that is, but maybe they are exceeding the limits of what glock recommends. This could just be a perfect storm of sorts. The material is at the low end of the specification, the slide is at the thinnest end of the specification for that particular section in this batch, and they don't change their recoil springs as often as the manufacturer suggests. Any one of these things by itself might be cancelled out by the other two, but in this situation they're all "going wrong" and so we're seeing this sort of failure. Most people never put even 10,000 rounds through their guns, so that explains why you don't see it more often. It just so happened that the place that puts a ton of rounds through their guns got the "bad" batch. Just speculation of course, but tolerance accumulation is an issue in any sort of manufacturing, and tolerances sometimes apply to more than dimensions. In this case material strength and spring replacement schedule. As for why plenty of gen2 and gen3 models exceed it, a lot of gen4 models might exceed these counts too, but how many people put 30,000+ rounds through their guns? Not many. There just aren't that many examples of any generation with these sorts of round counts through them, at least not compiled as well as they are here. It's the best we've got, but it's still a pretty small sample size. |
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Posted: 1/26/2017 7:09:32 PM EDT
[#38]
In for P320 Status.
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Posted: 1/26/2017 9:11:35 PM EDT
[#39]
In b4 "glad I went with a gen3."
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2017 10:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
In b4 "glad I went with a gen3." Too late.
I'm a Gen3 guy through and through. But, to be fair, we need to know the sample size, round count, maintenance schedule, and production dates of all the guns to even begin to draw a proper conclusion. People saying "mine has been fine" or "I saw this on Google" aren't adding anything of value. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2017 6:51:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DocApocalypse]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing. V/R Ron An excellent start would be the three or four letter prefix in the serial numbers. In the past that's how people have identified "batches" of pistols that have had issues across the entire production line. It might also help to identify if it's mostly Austrian made or US made Glocks affected (IIRC the US version has the four-digit letter prefix in the serial number. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong). |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 8:45:45 PM EDT
[#42]
I had a high-mileage Gen2 17 that cracked the slide through the ejection port.
I've seen two G34s break the rear slide rhe OP rails off where Henderson is seeing slides break. Glocks have NEVER been the infallible pistol the internet has made 'em out to be. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 8:50:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Nothing lasts forever. Shoot a gun enough and eventually it'll be replaced with all new parts.
Cars don't last forever either. 99% of shooters will never wear out a quality pistol, I've work out recoil springs, and other odds and ends. |
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Posted: 1/30/2017 10:33:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MRW]
[#44]
Ron, where do you get your spare parts for the glocks and other pistols? the recoil springs and so forth. Do you buy them direct from the manufacturer?
Thanks again for these threads. I've delayed buying more ammo to buy the proper spare parts |
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Posted: 1/31/2017 9:33:38 PM EDT
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Got any 10mm's on the rental line?
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Posted: 2/2/2017 2:08:46 AM EDT
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Do you have anything to say about Walther durability (in particular, about the PPK, P38, P5, P99)?
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Posted: 2/2/2017 2:40:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Another-Bill]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout:
Nothing lasts forever. Shoot a gun enough and eventually it'll be replaced with all new parts. Cars don't last forever either. 99% of shooters will never wear out a quality pistol, I've work out recoil springs, and other odds and ends. Agreed. Reading this thread, I've gathered the top pistols, Glock, Beretta and Sig, are good for maybe 100,000 rounds. Let's say 9mm is $200 per 1K, that is $20,000. 20 Grand in ammo, at that point, the slide becomes another expendable pistol part. |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 2:09:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW:
Ron, where do you get your spare parts for the glocks and other pistols? the recoil springs and so forth. Do you buy them direct from the manufacturer? Thanks again for these threads. I've delayed buying more ammo to buy the proper spare parts We order direct from Sig for those parts but I'm not sure who we order the Glock parts from. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 2:02:44 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HendersonDefense:
One thing I can tell you about the slides cracking on the left rear side of Glock is that it doesn't affect the function. It continues to stay on target and continues to cycle without issues. When it cracks at the ejection port, the round shoots up and to the left. Even though the weapon continues to function with the cracked slide, we take it off the line immediately. It's a liability issue and we can't take any chances with safety. V/R Ron |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 2:13:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Another-Bill]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad: Can you show us pictures of the cracks? Pretty sure that he has photos of the cracked Glock slides a few pages back. |
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