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Posted: 2/13/2015 5:52:27 PM EDT
Hi all,
I have been looking at a list of potential buys and just can't decide which one (because right now only one purchase is all I really expect to have room for) I really want. Here's the short list: Sig P226 (MK 25) or P229 CZ-75 CZ P-07 or P-09 Browning Hi-Power (or clone) My only two significant requirements are that it be a double-stack, and a reasonable adaptability to (and reliability for) concealed carry. Cost of mags, accessories/modularity, and comfort of handling/shooting are also relevant, but not deal-breakers if they aren't "just right." These relatively broad parameters have made it tough to decide, and I really shoulda solicited opinions on this a while ago. Here are some models I own, shoot well, and/or like a lot (in any caliber), to give you an idea of what I like and am used to: Glock G17/19 Sig P220 (.45 ACP) Taurus PT92/99 Browning Hi-Power 1911 (.45 ACP), and a 1911-ish frame in .357 Magnum With that background in mind, what would you recommend? I have heard and/or experienced great things about each of my candidate guns, and I have fired a P229 and Hi-Power (obviously) before. It's been ages since I've fondled a new handgun so I'm using this year's tax return as a sort of celebration in getting to do that again. ...if none of the other options end up being a significantly better choice, I may just go the safe route and get myself another Hi-Power. 
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Posted: 2/13/2015 5:57:03 PM EDT
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I'd throw CZ 75 P01 and CZ 75 PCR on the list of contenders.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 6:05:35 PM EDT
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I'd throw CZ 75 P01 and CZ 75 PCR on the list of contenders. Yeah, I am generally open to any given CZ 75 frame. |
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Posted: 2/13/2015 7:18:26 PM EDT
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H&K p2000 some poeple love them I think they are over priced.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:08:31 AM EDT
[#4]
Sig 226.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:55:41 AM EDT
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You definitely need a CZ. I vote P-01.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 4:34:13 PM EDT
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You definitely need a CZ. I vote P-01. "Definitely" is good, but can you give a more specific reason as to why? |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:33:02 PM EDT
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HK VP9 and Walther PPQ should be on your list. The PPQ is a little smaller, but really needs night sights (or other replacement sights) for carry.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:39:54 PM EDT
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"Definitely" is good, but can you give a more specific reason as to why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You definitely need a CZ. I vote P-01. "Definitely" is good, but can you give a more specific reason as to why? Just hold one and you'll know why. 
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Posted: 2/14/2015 9:48:03 PM EDT
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The P01 is a very good choice. Shoot one if you can.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 10:27:44 PM EDT
[#10]
The MK 25.
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Posted: 2/17/2015 7:01:11 PM EDT
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Just hold one and you'll know why. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You definitely need a CZ. I vote P-01. "Definitely" is good, but can you give a more specific reason as to why? Just hold one and you'll know why. Alright, I shall try to do so in the immediate future. Hope I can find a local store where one's in stock... |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 4:49:47 AM EDT
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I vote P07. Cheapest on your list so more money for ammo. Adjustable grip inserts to fit your hand. Takes regular 75B mags, but they do stick out past the grips but for $25 range mags they work fine. Can use the decocker or carry cocked and locked. Same overall size as the Glock 19. Cajun Gun Works has aftermarket upgrades if you want to work on it.
If you are 1911/Hi Power fan I did not like the position of the PO1 decocker lever. It is right where I lay my thumb on a 1911/Hi Power. The P09 is a full size handgun and mags are $45 plus a piece. David |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 5:02:42 AM EDT
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CZ75B or Walther PPQ. I own both of these and they're great guns.
ETA: Sig P228 |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:56:18 PM EDT
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Update:
Went to a local store to do some handling. CZ selection was limited, got to handle a P-07 SAO and a P-09 SA/DA. Liked the P-07 a lot, though the safety seemed like it'd take more getting used to than I thought it would. No CZ-75s, and no CZs at all at the rental counter. 
Handled a .40 P226, did not like (waaay too heavy). Saw a 320 and did not ask to handle it- and now kinda regret it. 
Also saw a Walther PPQ and PPX but thought they reminded me too much of a Hi-Point (which I am not actually opposed to, but the appearance was off-putting). |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 5:57:35 PM EDT
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Sig P226 of that list gets my vote.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 8:33:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Update: Went to a local store to do some handling. CZ selection was limited, got to handle a P-07 SAO and a P-09 SA/DA. Liked the P-07 a lot, though the safety seemed like it'd take more getting used to than I thought it would. No CZ-75s, and no CZs at all at the rental counter.
Handled a .40 P226, did not like (waaay too heavy). Saw a 320 and did not ask to handle it- and now kinda regret it.
Also saw a Walther PPQ and PPX but thought they reminded me too much of a Hi-Point (which I am not actually opposed to, but the appearance was off-putting). |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 10:59:42 PM EDT
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Sig320 compact might be an interesting choice
They get great reviews and you can play in the modular game. |
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Posted: 3/6/2015 5:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Update: Went to a local store to do some handling. CZ selection was limited, got to handle a P-07 SAO and a P-09 SA/DA. Liked the P-07 a lot, though the safety seemed like it'd take more getting used to than I thought it would. No CZ-75s, and no CZs at all at the rental counter.
Handled a .40 P226, did not like (waaay too heavy). Saw a 320 and did not ask to handle it- and now kinda regret it.
Also saw a Walther PPQ and PPX but thought they reminded me too much of a Hi-Point (which I am not actually opposed to, but the appearance was off-putting). This is what I think too, people really seem to like them but something about the aesthetics seems way off. Probably a fine shooting pistol but I can't get past the design. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 9:47:12 AM EDT
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I can see that you might call the PPX High Point like, but the PPQ looks nothing like a High Point, or a PPX for that matter.
The PPX is the worst looking Walther ever devised though, I agree with that. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 12:58:37 PM EDT
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M&P 9c, .40c, or .45c
They all readily accept the full size magazines of their 'big brother'. With or without thumb safeties and fully ambidextrous. Lots of aftermarket upgrades - APEX trigger parts and night sights. Readily available holsters. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 1:57:54 PM EDT
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I'm partial to the P226
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Posted: 3/7/2015 2:33:06 PM EDT
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CZ p01. Double stack. Only 2oz heavier than a glock 19 loaded, and based on the results released from the nato testing it is one of the most reliable pistols on the market.
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Posted: 3/7/2015 3:34:24 PM EDT
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CZ p01. Double stack. Only 2oz heavier than a glock 19 loaded, and based on the results released from the nato testing it is one of the most reliable pistols on the market. yep, almost as reliable as that 2oz lighter Glock 
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Posted: 3/7/2015 4:15:15 PM EDT
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Describe your current hi-power. Maybe spend money on customizing it; sights, trigger, safety, stippling, etc
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Posted: 3/7/2015 4:58:39 PM EDT
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yep, almost as reliable as that 2oz lighter Glock Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CZ p01. Double stack. Only 2oz heavier than a glock 19 loaded, and based on the results released from the nato testing it is one of the most reliable pistols on the market. yep, almost as reliable as that 2oz lighter Glock Yeah. Glock has never gained an NSN number. So i'll leave the tuperware for the kitchen. 
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Posted: 3/7/2015 6:28:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. Glock has never gained an NSN number. So i'll leave the tuperware for the kitchen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: CZ p01. Double stack. Only 2oz heavier than a glock 19 loaded, and based on the results released from the nato testing it is one of the most reliable pistols on the market. yep, almost as reliable as that 2oz lighter Glock Yeah. Glock has never gained an NSN number. So i'll leave the tuperware for the kitchen. Not that having an NSN means anything, but Lots of guys in A-Stan carrying glocks. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 6:57:07 PM EDT
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hmm. looking through the NSN on that (i'll concede I never knew they had earned one) they never released their test results. CZ actually released their results, and they greatly surpassed all of the requirements.
http://cz-usa.com/press-release/cz-p-01-gets-nato-approval-the-next-generation-of-perfect-pistols/ The most impressive part was the Reliability: The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate. This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure” (MRBF) During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement. The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition. Until Glock releases their results then I will assume they met the minimum of 495, but did not exceed it to the extent that the P01 did. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 6:59:55 PM EDT
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I'd throw CZ 75 P01 and CZ 75 PCR on the list of contenders. I vote for the PCR or the all steel compact. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Until Glock releases their results then I will assume they met the minimum of 495, but did not exceed it to the extent that the P01 did. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:30:48 PM EDT
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Why would you assume that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Until Glock releases their results then I will assume they met the minimum of 495, but did not exceed it to the extent that the P01 did. Companies like to brag when they do something well. Not so much when they meet minimum. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:44:50 PM EDT
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In that case, didn't Canik TP9's go 20K rounds before failure in their testing in Turkey?
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Posted: 3/7/2015 7:48:11 PM EDT
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In that case, didn't Canik TP9's go 20K rounds before failure in their testing in Turkey? I've only read about a 2K round test from luckygunner or someone like that. I'd love if more companies would publish their results of MRBF. It would be nice to know. |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 8:20:25 PM EDT
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Going to go out on a limb and jump on the Canik bandwagon after just picking one up myself.
http://www.jgsales.com/canik-55-stingray-c-semi-auto-compact-pistol,-9mm,-3-5-8-barrel,-black,-new.-p-57900.html |
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Posted: 3/7/2015 9:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Companies like to brag when they do something well. Not so much when they meet minimum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Until Glock releases their results then I will assume they met the minimum of 495, but did not exceed it to the extent that the P01 did. Companies like to brag when they do something well. Not so much when they meet minimum. ETA: I went and read that "test result" and I find it ... disingenuous. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 9:23:16 AM EDT
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I picked up a CZ75 yesterday.
It's one hell of a shooter. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 9:40:13 PM EDT
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Grand Power.
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Posted: 3/9/2015 12:24:50 AM EDT
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I picked up a CZ75 yesterday. It's one hell of a shooter. I wish I could find a CZ anything local |
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Posted: 3/9/2015 1:15:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going to go out on a limb and jump on the Canik bandwagon after just picking one up myself. http://www.jgsales.com/canik-55-stingray-c-semi-auto-compact-pistol,-9mm,-3-5-8-barrel,-black,-new.-p-57900.html Should have waited. TP9SF will come out this fall. Much better than the current batch. No declocker, better trigger, and no load indicator. That's the one you want. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 4:19:42 PM EDT
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Describe your current hi-power. Maybe spend money on customizing it; sights, trigger, safety, stippling, etc I thought about that, but I don't really feel the need/desire to do anything to it beyond maybe putting night sights on it (which I am not in a hurry to do, either). For whatever reason, I like most of my not-specifically-for-regular-carry guns to be as close to stock as possible. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 6:45:53 PM EDT
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Should have waited. TP9SF will come out this fall. Much better than the current batch. No declocker, better trigger, and no load indicator. That's the one you want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Going to go out on a limb and jump on the Canik bandwagon after just picking one up myself. http://www.jgsales.com/canik-55-stingray-c-semi-auto-compact-pistol,-9mm,-3-5-8-barrel,-black,-new.-p-57900.html Should have waited. TP9SF will come out this fall. Much better than the current batch. No declocker, better trigger, and no load indicator. That's the one you want. The Canik I bought was actually a Tristar p120 for about $140 more than the pistol I linked. Just saying, for $319, seems like alot of pistol at a low price. |
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Posted: 3/14/2015 11:09:29 PM EDT
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M&P 9c
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Posted: 3/18/2015 8:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe only S&Ws I like are the revolvers. Looks like a nice piece you got there, though! |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 10:59:34 PM EDT
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You're doing yourself a disservice by not including the HK VP9.
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Posted: 3/19/2015 12:13:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're doing yourself a disservice by not including the HK VP9. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 7:14:46 AM EDT
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GD responses belong in GD - Maynard
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