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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:33:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: I havent had to buy any in about 5 years so I don't know whats good. Thanks Plinking>? SS197SR > American Eagle 40gr TMJ Self Defense? SS198LF > SS192 > SS195LF Non Factory self defense EA T6, EA S4M, EA ProtecTOR 1 |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:27:13 PM EDT
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Best thing you can do is sell the 5.7 and shoot 5.56
cheaper and so similar it isn't funny. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:33:43 PM EDT
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Best thing you can do is sell the 5.7 and shoot 5.56 cheaper and so similar it isn't funny. What? How are they similar? |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 9:48:37 AM EDT
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Main reason people like 5.7 is it defeats soft armor. 5.56 does this also.
5.7 <5.56 the ammo is expensive and hard to locate. 5.56 is cheap and available. It is a niche caliber that doesn't do anything particularly well. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:29:22 AM EDT
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Main reason people like 5.7 is it defeats soft armor. 5.56 does this also. 5.7 <5.56 the ammo is expensive and hard to locate. 5.56 is cheap and available. It is a niche caliber that doesn't do anything particularly well. It is a handgun platform cartridge that can defeat soft armor. You're not going to carry your AR pistol for any length of time. The only other cartridge that comes to mind in a pistol platform is the 7.62 tok. They all have their uses and should be tailored to your needs. If it is just something cool to have and shoot, then none of it matters anyway. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:56:57 AM EDT
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Main reason people like 5.7 is it defeats soft armor. 5.56 does this also. 5.7 <5.56 the ammo is expensive and hard to locate. 5.56 is cheap and available. It is a niche caliber that doesn't do anything particularly well. That's your analysis why they are similar? (They both defeat soft armor) That literally makes my head hurt. They couldn't be any more dissimilar and 5.7 should be compared against 9mm as it's a pistol/PDW round and not a rifle/carbine cartridge. Why do all 5.7 threads always bring out the derp (on both sides)? |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 3:44:15 PM EDT
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Sorry guys. I just can't get past the cop shooting a felon with his P90 and the felon saying "Ow, quit shooting me with that."
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:43:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry guys. I just can't get past the cop shooting a felon with his P90 and the felon saying "Ow, quit shooting me with that." |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Main reason people like 5.7 is it defeats soft armor. 5.56 does this also. 5.7 <5.56 the ammo is expensive and hard to locate. 5.56 is cheap and available. It is a niche caliber that doesn't do anything particularly well. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:46:38 PM EDT
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SS198LF
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Posted: 10/29/2014 1:02:27 AM EDT
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Without trying to sound derisive, and because OP didn't qualify his question with any parameters as to what is "best" for what.....
The answer is..... None of it. If OP can qualify his question with some requirements, the answer would change. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:18:06 PM EDT
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It is a handgun platform cartridge that can defeat soft armor. You're not going to carry your AR pistol for any length of time. The only other cartridge that comes to mind in a pistol platform is the 7.62 tok. They all have their uses and should be tailored to your needs. If it is just something cool to have and shoot, then none of it matters anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Main reason people like 5.7 is it defeats soft armor. 5.56 does this also. 5.7 <5.56 the ammo is expensive and hard to locate. 5.56 is cheap and available. It is a niche caliber that doesn't do anything particularly well. It is a handgun platform cartridge that can defeat soft armor. You're not going to carry your AR pistol for any length of time. The only other cartridge that comes to mind in a pistol platform is the 7.62 tok. They all have their uses and should be tailored to your needs. If it is just something cool to have and shoot, then none of it matters anyway. Actually the military arms channel did a test on soft armor and the 5.7 did penetrate, but only wit a 10 inch barrel. Which means no penetration with a handgun.....unless you find the unobtainable round LE agency's use....which is not a on the shelf for anyone to buy. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:35:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually the military arms channel did a test on soft armor and the 5.7 did penetrate, but only wit a 10 inch barrel. Which means no penetration with a handgun.....unless you find the unobtainable round LE agency's use....which is not a on the shelf for anyone to buy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Main reason people like 5.7 is it defeats soft armor. 5.56 does this also. 5.7 <5.56 the ammo is expensive and hard to locate. 5.56 is cheap and available. It is a niche caliber that doesn't do anything particularly well. It is a handgun platform cartridge that can defeat soft armor. You're not going to carry your AR pistol for any length of time. The only other cartridge that comes to mind in a pistol platform is the 7.62 tok. They all have their uses and should be tailored to your needs. If it is just something cool to have and shoot, then none of it matters anyway. Actually the military arms channel did a test on soft armor and the 5.7 did penetrate, but only wit a 10 inch barrel. Which means no penetration with a handgun.....unless you find the unobtainable round LE agency's use....which is not a on the shelf for anyone to buy. .Did you watch the video? SS198 can be bought all day long for <$40/box and is just a faster version of SS195, and it went through the vest. MAC never did show it was a level IIA vest, as I've test AE TMJ to go through level II which is stronger than IIA. You can buy all sorts of non FN rounds that will get do things just as well as SS190: AE TMJ going through level II: |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:14:41 PM EDT
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Actually, you are mistaken. 198 is a faster version of 197
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:01:43 PM EDT
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Actually, you are mistaken. 198 is a faster version of 197 Nope, you have them mixed up. SS198 is a faster version of SS195, like he said. SS197 is the V-max load. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:56:02 PM EDT
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But why ? 5.56 penetrator does the same thing.
Cheaper. Has more energy. penetrates steel. available at wal mart. Available in bulk. Found anywhere mil surp.... 5.7 isn't even used by the secret service anymore. If i wanted a compact sub gun with no recoil and unlimited budget for ammo , maybe an ar57 upper for plinking......but that is it. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:59:31 PM EDT
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I havent had to buy any in about 5 years so I don't know whats good. Thanks To answer your question, elite ammo s4m (takes the ss198 bullet and droves it to 3200fps out of the ps90) and the t6b. Both defeat 3a, t6b more so. S4m has more velocity and better permanent cavity in gelatin. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:01:20 PM EDT
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But why ? 5.56 penetrator does the same thing. Cheaper. Has more energy. penetrates steel. available at wal mart. Available in bulk. Found anywhere mil surp.... 5.7 isn't even used by the secret service anymore. If i wanted a compact sub gun with no recoil and unlimited budget for ammo , maybe an ar57 upper for plinking......but that is it. The answer is capacity and concealability. What other firearm holds 50 rounds in a magazine, has OAL <20" with similiar ballistics without being a pistol? |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, you are mistaken. 198 is a faster version of 197  Cnc Blank, Cnc Blank, SS190 Ball, L191 Tracer Ball, SS192 HP, SB193 Ball, T194 HP, SS195LF HP, SS196SR Vmax, SS197SR Vmax, SS198LF HP, Factory Blank, Factory Dummy. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:30:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But why ? 5.56 penetrator does the same thing. Cheaper. Has more energy. penetrates steel. available at wal mart. Available in bulk. Found anywhere mil surp.... 5.7 isn't even used by the secret service anymore. If i wanted a compact sub gun with no recoil and unlimited budget for ammo , maybe an ar57 upper for plinking......but that is it. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:22:24 AM EDT
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To answer your question, elite ammo s4m (takes the ss198 bullet and droves it to 3200fps out of the ps90) and the t6b. Both defeat 3a, t6b more so. S4m has more velocity and better permanent cavity in gelatin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I havent had to buy any in about 5 years so I don't know whats good. Thanks To answer your question, elite ammo s4m (takes the ss198 bullet and droves it to 3200fps out of the ps90) and the t6b. Both defeat 3a, t6b more so. S4m has more velocity and better permanent cavity in gelatin. What is the realistic availability of that round? |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:28:55 AM EDT
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The answer is capacity and concealability. What other firearm holds 50 rounds in a magazine, has OAL <20" with similiar ballistics without being a pistol? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But why ? 5.56 penetrator does the same thing. Cheaper. Has more energy. penetrates steel. available at wal mart. Available in bulk. Found anywhere mil surp.... 5.7 isn't even used by the secret service anymore. If i wanted a compact sub gun with no recoil and unlimited budget for ammo , maybe an ar57 upper for plinking......but that is it. The answer is capacity and concealability. What other firearm holds 50 rounds in a magazine, has OAL <20" with similiar ballistics without being a pistol? The real difference is that it's a full auto SMG. The P90 performs significantly better in it's intended, narrow scope, when it can stitch up a quick burst on the center mass of it's intended target, compared to one that is semi-auto. Getting hit with 8 rounds of otherwise ineffective rounds when shot once or twice tends to do the job in that narrow role. It's kind of like asking how many midgits hulk hogan could fight in his prime. Two?, no problem. Send 18 midgits in, and even the huckster is going to get his ass tossed out of the ring. Thus, the magic of the SMG... |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 10:13:59 AM EDT
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Ok, I thought the 198 round was a Vmax round like the 197. Sorry.
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