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Posted: 10/11/2014 1:38:56 PM EDT
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fanboyism, that's why. HK cheerleaders are the worst, worse than those for Glock. I'm a Cheerleader of any reliable service pistol. Plus one that has excellent QC. BTW HK seems to have a good track record. |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 3:46:02 AM EDT
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There is a big difference between the feel of a 1911 grip safety vs a H&K P7 grip safety. The 1911 feels natural, the P7 feels likes over thinking on the part of H&K. They did get it right when they realized that John Browning had it all figured out and used his basic principles in the USP.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:02:48 AM EDT
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There is a big difference between the feel of a 1911 grip safety vs a H&K P7 grip safety. The 1911 feels natural, the P7 feels likes over thinking on the part of H&K. They did get it right when they realized that John Browning had it all figured out and used his basic principles in the USP. |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:04:08 AM EDT
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There is a big difference between the feel of a 1911 grip safety vs a H&K P7 grip safety. The 1911 feels natural, the P7 feels likes over thinking on the part of H&K. They did get it right when they realized that John Browning had it all figured out and used his basic principles in the USP. |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:04:52 AM EDT
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In the 80`s I started using / carrying revolvers 38spl/357 J&K frames The Colt 1911 and Officers ACP were my first pistols. The Grip Safety NEVER EVER caused me any problems. The only thing I know of the HK squeeze cocker is what I read back in the 80`s in a book Mass Ayoob wrote. stating that it had fired several thousand rounds fired without a failure. Although I gave up the Colt 1911 in 1995 and moved to Hi Cap 9mm / 40S&W caliber service pistols, I don't think the 1911 or its grip safety a TURD. All well and all, but not a validation for the grip safety/cocker |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:35:31 AM EDT
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I really like my P7M8 but it gets too hot for long training sessions
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Posted: 10/12/2014 11:09:34 AM EDT
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I've never had a problem with grip safeties on the XD/M/S or 1911. I can understand why it's a problem for some after seeing 99% of the people at my local range with a low and/or improper grip over the past 15 years of going there. Plenty of guns without them that can be gripped in any way and still function. The thing is I can hold a 1911 or XD/M/S halfway down the grip and still press in the grip safety and fire so I still don't understand how people miss it.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 6:50:21 PM EDT
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It's not, they're both unnecessary.
That said, P7s are neat little guns and the squeeze cocker is what makes them so neat. Were it not for that, they wouldn't have the same novelty. |
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Posted: 10/12/2014 7:01:46 PM EDT
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Unnecessary to whom? The minimalist who nitpicks at anything that isn't minimal to them and expects others to like what they like and hate what they hate? I have no issues with a grip safety. I have no issues without one.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:03:30 PM EDT
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I own and operate a few guns with grip safeties and like the feature personally. Ymmv of course but that's the beauty of a diversified marketplace.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 8:34:25 AM EDT
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Unnecessary to whom? The minimalist who nitpicks at anything that isn't minimal to them and expects others to like what they like and hate what they hate? I have no issues with a grip safety. I have no issues without one. It says a lot when you first defense of any critique is to classify it as hate. 
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Posted: 10/13/2014 8:56:13 AM EDT
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The problem with the 1911 grip safety is that if it is not very carefully manufactured and fitted it isn't always easy to positively depress when you need the gun to go boom. There is also no tactile warning that the grip safety isn't properly depressed until you attempt to pull the trigger and get nothing in response.
The P7 family's grip safety is an entirely different animal. The fact that it grips at the front makes it more universal for more people (some people struggle with 1911 grip safeties due to hand shape) and the proper release of the grip safety is extremely tactile. You can feel that the grip safety is properly depressed both in the safety itself and in the trigger. The two approaches really have nothing in common apart from being "safeties" that are on the "grip" of the pistol. |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 1:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911, XD Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IMO the squeeze cocker is a safety that requires no extra movement to disengage while being more reliable than a trigger safety. When my P7 is not in my hands I know that there is no way for it to fire, even if the trigger is pulled. There is no need to learn extra movements to safe and unsafe the weapon. 1911, XD 1911's have a manual safety in addition to the grip safety. See the highlighted text. What the P7 has over the XD is the ability to reholster a completely uncocked weapon. By releasing grip pressure a bit you can retain control of the pistol while rendering it unable to fire. This is not an option with an XD or 1911 without significantly modifying your grip. I have owned multiple 1911's and they are my go to pistol. However, IMO the action of the P7 is more suited for carry than a 1911's is. |
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Posted: 10/13/2014 7:03:17 PM EDT
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I laugh at guys who bitch about the mag dis ! 99% of them don't even know how to use it . 
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I've never heard that much complaining about grip safeties. Mag disconnects on the other hand............... I laugh at guys who bitch about the mag dis ! 99% of them don't even know how to use it .
sorry Hard Shell. Not a thing to be sorry for -- we've all had different backgrounds/training/experiences that have led us to form different opinions about firearms and their features, and that only makes sense IMHO. I grew up around a bunch of old school MIL types who swear by 1911 grip safeties and a bunch of LEO types who love mag-disconnects. I understand their reasoning, I just have come to different conclusions. IMO any (ANY) mechanical device or feature that can render your firearm inoperable CAN (due to malfunction, user error, or whatever else) possibly prevent you from using it when you need it most. Examples over the years abound. They can also prevent horrible tragedies when used correctly in the right situations. As such, these features/devices are always a compromise in one direction or the other. Each of us has to decide where on that continuum we choose to draw that line for ourselves, and on what we will base that decision. I own and enjoy many firearms with all of the above but, personally, I won't carry a CCW (primary or BUG, and I CC daily) that has a grip safety, mag safety, or manual safety selector. That was not always the case, to be certain, and I fully understand why others draw that line differently than I do. TL/DNR... short version, "No worries." 
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Posted: 10/15/2014 12:02:06 AM EDT
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I've carried a P7 PSP every day at work for the last 5 years. In fact, the only time I don't have it with me is when I'm packing a S&W 629 while hiking. The P7's edges are now shinny from constant use; but, the pistol is still a tack driver. It's not for everyone; but, it works very well for me.
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Posted: 10/16/2014 9:54:24 AM EDT
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I had to get rid of an XD because my hand would occasionally float off of the grip safety causing a stoppage (not being able to pull the trigger).
The squeeze cocker on the P7 is pure awesomeness! The gun is completely uncocked while carrying, yet fully cocked once gripped resulting in a light single action trigger. Also, as already mentioned, after a mag change there are no slide levers to manipulate to drop the slide; simply take your grip, and the squeeze cocker drops the slide and cocks the striker. Perfect. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 1:00:34 PM EDT
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Edited...VA-gunnut
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Posted: 10/16/2014 1:49:57 PM EDT
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Why are grip safeties considered turds, but HK's squeeze cocker is a godsend? Ummm....I don't know. But if I had to guess; maybe it's just a falic thing with German gay guys? ie; You know it is pronounced Heckler and cock.... ...and this one does have a big cock for them to squeeze.  
It is actually pronounced Heckler and "Coke" (like the soda). |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 2:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is actually pronounced Heckler and "Coke" (like the soda). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Edited...VA-gunnut It is actually pronounced Heckler and "Coke" (like the soda). Actually it's pronounced like in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a7_uBJgr5Y The "coke" they just came up with to prevent Americans from saying cock, both are equally wrong. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:54:05 PM EDT
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I think the German police wanted a pistol that could be cocked one-handed with a lovely squeeze? LOL
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:55:44 PM EDT
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That's rich coming from a guy shitting on Glocks in his signature and whining about meany Glock "fanbois" in a thread that isn't even about Glocks. Delusional much? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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fanboyism, that's why. HK cheerleaders are the worst, worse than those for Glock. 
Name one Glock thread where on any board, social media, or forum where people come in and shit on Glocks. But I can find on any given day some Glock fanboi doing their best to shit on everything else. That's rich coming from a guy shitting on Glocks in his signature and whining about meany Glock "fanbois" in a thread that isn't even about Glocks. Delusional much? I do battle with the Glockmeisters from time to time on their threads, but in a nice constructive way. :) |
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