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Posted: 9/16/2014 12:38:31 PM EDT
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For what it's worth, when I was at Front Sight years ago, they recommended blacking out the white outline and white dot on the stock Glock sights. If you have Trijicon or others, there is usually a white circle or outline. Be careful not to ink out the glass capsule. I think the goal was to have you focus on lining up the tops of the sights, not trying to line up the circles or center a circle in a box.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 1:46:34 PM EDT
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To each their own but personally hate blacked out sights. I need at least a dot on the front sight.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 2:49:34 PM EDT
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I know guys who love them. Kyle is one of them. I have his sights on a glock, but really I like the 10-8 sights better to be honest
I like to have something to help draw my eye to the front sight. Usually a night sight, but have used gold/brass bead sights before as well. I cant stand fiber optics though I prefer a black rear though. My current set up on my 1911 is a 10-8 rear and a trijjicon front. Its fast and accurate I still aim with the tips of the sights for really accurate shots though |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 3:36:33 PM EDT
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I like sights to be all black and the POI to be at the top of the front post. Most pistols aren't set up this way from the factory though. Which is annoying to me. But I have never been in combat, never fired a shot in anger and only killed deer and varmints with a rifle. I would think low light situations could make black sights a little less useable though. I have my own technique for home defense in low light, but not sure it's really the optimum. (Weak hand with light close to shoulder and shining down the pistol so I can see my sights). Although my main home defense weapon is my Beretta M9 and it has a white dot on front and that weird 1 dot in the middle on the back. But yeah, my main goal is to line up the top of the sights. That's just what is natural to me.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 3:37:18 PM EDT
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I like sights to be all black and the POI to be at the top of the front post. Most pistols aren't set up this way from the factory though. Which is annoying to me. But I have never been in combat, never fired a shot in anger and only killed deer and varmints with a rifle. I would think low light situations could make black sights a little less useable though. I have my own technique for home defense in low light, but not sure it's really the optimum. (Weak hand with light close to shoulder and shining down the pistol so I can see my sights). Although my main home defense weapon is my Beretta M9 and it has a white dot on front and that weird 1 dot in the middle on the back. But yeah, my main goal is to line up the top of the sights. That's just what is natural to me. Can we get pics of your pistol with these sights on it? eta: not sure why I quoted myself. Oh well. Sorry about that. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 4:29:55 PM EDT
[#6]
Solid black rear + high visibility front for me. Trijicon HDs for night sights, Warren Tactical fiber optics for everything else.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 6:38:44 PM EDT
[#7]
I love blackout sights for target guns. I prefer 3 dots (night sights preferred) for pistols that I own for defensive use.
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Posted: 9/16/2014 7:17:05 PM EDT
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I like a black rear and colored front. Have Hackthorns on my 19
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Posted: 9/16/2014 8:25:40 PM EDT
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Can we get pics of your pistol with these sights on it? Sure.... My Iphone photo doesn't show it, but it has a serrated front sight. No serrations on the rear. 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:56:32 PM EDT
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if I were to recommend a "combat" pistol it would look similar to my game pistol... fixed rear, with black front blade.... at least .220" tall (mine is .240") and pretty thin at .090".... a lot of shooters lose elevation when shooting precision shots at distance, as they do not typically sight in the fiber optic dot, but rather the top of the front post.... and in bright sunlight do not see the actual top of the sight post
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:02:54 AM EDT
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Not me. My perfect sights are i dot pros. Super wide rear u notch, high contrast large front sight (with the color very close to the top of the front sight) and figure 8 night sight configuration.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:15:49 AM EDT
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I have an old set of MMC sights. White outline rear and white striped front sight. The combo works good for me. I bought a CDI Hi Power and the black sights are driving me nuts. My target auto has black sights but it's sighted in for a six o'clock hold at 50 feet on bulls eye targets.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:35:00 AM EDT
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Sure.... My Iphone photo doesn't show it, but it has a serrated front sight. No serrations on the rear. http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee352/beanhead1130/fb588b02-443c-439a-98ab-7c92b33e1a3c_zps0c48034a.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we get pics of your pistol with these sights on it? Sure.... My Iphone photo doesn't show it, but it has a serrated front sight. No serrations on the rear. http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee352/beanhead1130/fb588b02-443c-439a-98ab-7c92b33e1a3c_zps0c48034a.jpg Ooooh Aaaaaah I like it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:14:29 AM EDT
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I draw and shoot well on steal with combat sights on my defensive guns but I miss
the accuracy of good target sights. Sometimes you just want to be real good and not just good enough. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:38:26 AM EDT
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I had a Sig P226 with black sights and hated them, on a "combat" pistol, sight acquisition is king IMO.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:14:13 AM EDT
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I had a Sig P226 with black sights and hated them, on a "combat" pistol, sight acquisition is king IMO. I agree. I paint all my front posts bright orange (and keep the white circle/night sight vial). When I'm bringing the gun up on target I want the front sight to "jump out" at me. I even paint the top surface so as you are bringing the gun up your eye is just drawn to the front sight. Blacked out may be OK for target shooting, but I notice at my indoor range the black sights are hard to see, particularly against a black bullseye. I don't really like blacked out for anything (but use it on my target .22 pistol). To each his own, but I can't imagine blacked out sights on a "combat" or self defense gun...... |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:19:18 AM EDT
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IMO all black sights are for target shooting; defensive shooting requires fast acquisition under as many lighting conditions as possible.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:34:39 AM EDT
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I'll try this set up for a while and decide if I want to change out my other tritium sights. My trijicons have very little glow left to them, they are almost flat black sights anyway the way they are now. I might just change out the rear since the front still has a bit of visible glow at night.
I can always paint the front sight of the Defoors if I decide I need it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:48:57 AM EDT
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They are more precise in the perfect environment.
I struggle to pick them up most of the time, and prefer a dot or FO. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:23:40 AM EDT
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IMO all black sights are for target shooting; defensive shooting requires fast acquisition under as many lighting conditions as possible. This--I can't imagine using black sights on my hunting handguns--too much shooting in dim, shaded areas at dark fur. My fiancee likes a white/tritium front sight and black rear sight. She has eye focus issues and cannot aim with three dots. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:20:53 PM EDT
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I know guys who love them. Kyle is one of them. I have his sights on a glock, but really I like the 10-8 sights better to be honest I like to have something to help draw my eye to the front sight. Usually a night sight, but have used gold/brass bead sights before as well. I cant stand fiber optics though I prefer a black rear though. My current set up on my 1911 is a 10-8 rear and a trijjicon front. Its fast and accurate I still aim with the tips of the sights for really accurate shots though I have used the defoor sights and they work nicely on a sunny range. My G19 is setup with a defoor rear and ameriglo pro glo thin .125 ns up front. I ordered a 10-8 rear to use with my ns on my TRP, should be here tomorrow. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:16:40 PM EDT
[#22]
I'm most accurate with the Defoors, but I'm worried that they might be slower...in that there might be a reason most of the game people are using fiber optics. That said Kyke insists that at Blackwater, they discovered all black was better or just as fast in MOST situations and the colored sights only won in a darkened environment, but not pitch dark--where a light is used. Something like two-hours a day, at dusk and dawn..
I REALLY like two dots, but not a super light colored front--especially light yellow or green (washes out too easily). My dream sights are two-small-dots, very LOW, with a .150 u-notch rear, and a .115 front. Sadly they don't exist. I would get the new Vickers/Wilson Combat in two dot, but I shoot better with short sights for some reason--have no idea why....also, a thin front seems to help a lot...and those are .145 rear/.125 front. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:21:59 PM EDT
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I run the Defoor sights on my G19. All black doesn't bother me in lowlight. Reason being is I usually have a torch on me.
The torch DOES NOT backlight the rears. It screws up the sight picture way too much to track the sights. The torch lights up the target, there is more than enough ambient lighting to see the sights. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 1:23:49 PM EDT
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I have used the defoor sights and they work nicely on a sunny range. My G19 is setup with a defoor rear and ameriglo pro glo thin .125 ns up front. I ordered a 10-8 rear to use with my ns on my TRP, should be here tomorrow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know guys who love them. Kyle is one of them. I have his sights on a glock, but really I like the 10-8 sights better to be honest I like to have something to help draw my eye to the front sight. Usually a night sight, but have used gold/brass bead sights before as well. I cant stand fiber optics though I prefer a black rear though. My current set up on my 1911 is a 10-8 rear and a trijjicon front. Its fast and accurate I still aim with the tips of the sights for really accurate shots though I have used the defoor sights and they work nicely on a sunny range. My G19 is setup with a defoor rear and ameriglo pro glo thin .125 ns up front. I ordered a 10-8 rear to use with my ns on my TRP, should be here tomorrow. Youll like it. Which size did you go with? The smaller will bring the TRP to POA/POI instead of that silly 6oclock hold |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 4:14:46 PM EDT
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if I were to recommend a "combat" pistol it would look similar to my game pistol... fixed rear, with black front blade.... at least .220" tall (mine is .240") and pretty thin at .090".... a lot of shooters lose elevation when shooting precision shots at distance, as they do not typically sight in the fiber optic dot, but rather the top of the front post.... and in bright sunlight do not see the actual top of the sight post <a href="http://s825.photobucket.com/user/LesSnyder/media/DSC00256.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz180/LesSnyder/DSC00256.jpg</a> I don't have a "combat" pistol, but I really like the Heinie Straight Eight sights almost exactly like the sights lasnyder has on his Glock. The difference is the straight eights on mine are night sights they have a tritium vial in the front sight and the rear. They are nice for finding the pistol in the dark (that feature alone helped immensely a few months ago) and are great for shooting at night, as you can pick up the sight picture VERY quickly. I prefer it to the standard 3 dot night sights. This is the sight picture. I use my sights during the day, and when the streamlight is on, just like any other set of black sights, so they are sighted in accordingly. Note: the above picture is not mine. Just a google searched image, from somebody on glocktalk I believe. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 8:34:30 PM EDT
[#26]
I can't stand an all black front sight, most likely from shooting thousands and thousands of rounds through several Sigs with a white outlined front sight.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:05:55 PM EDT
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Solid black rear + high visibility front for me. Trijicon HDs for night sights, Warren Tactical fiber optics for everything else. Bingo! My edc has a fiber front and black rear and can line it up quickly. On night sites they can get "busy" with the green dot and white outline sometimes |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:19:22 PM EDT
[#28]
Why would anyone want plain black sights for ANY shooting situation? Especially for a self defense pistol.
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Posted: 9/23/2014 8:44:18 AM EDT
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Why would anyone want plain black sights for ANY shooting situation? Especially for a self defense pistol. Because they're superior. I did most of my low/no light training with a set of DeFoors and an a couple of Surefires and never had a problem. Never felt like tritium was of any benefit when I ran a P226&229 throigh the same stuff. Most game guys use fiber optic because they're old guys. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 4:59:34 PM EDT
[#30]
OP, my carry Glock 23 has a plain black 10-8 rear with .156" notch, and a Dawson .115" plain black front. Perfect IMO. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 5:25:05 PM EDT
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Why would anyone want plain black sights for ANY shooting situation? Especially for a self defense pistol. What color are the iron sights on your AR? Mine are all black. Seems like there's a point in there somewhere. |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 10:00:03 PM EDT
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OP, my carry Glock 23 has a plain black 10-8 rear with .156" notch, and a Dawson .115" plain black front. Perfect IMO. Would you mind taking a picture of that? |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 12:16:46 AM EDT
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What color are the iron sights on your AR? Mine are all black. Seems like there's a point in there somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would anyone want plain black sights for ANY shooting situation? Especially for a self defense pistol. What color are the iron sights on your AR? Mine are all black. Seems like there's a point in there somewhere. I don't have many shoulder fired handguns with peep sights that have the rear sight sit only a few inches from my dominant eye with a 16"-20" sight radius. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 3:14:54 PM EDT
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I don't have many shoulder fired handguns with peep sights that have the rear sight sit only a few inches from my dominant eye with a 16"-20" sight radius Either way, the sight picture is lining up 3 things. Target, front sight, and rear. There are people that either paint their front sight posts on an AR. Or they have those tritium ones too. And in some situations would probably be a good thing. But for me, a black sighting system is great in most situations until it's too dark. Then a light that lights up the target still creates the outline of the sights. My point was that he said why would you want black in ANY situation and in the daytime, I don't think there is a better way to go. White dots just give you one more thing to look at, when you're already looking at 3 things. For me it just muddies the waters and I figure simple is better. At least for my eyes and brain it is. But I'm probably a little slow. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 3:57:36 PM EDT
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What color are the iron sights on your AR? Mine are all black. Seems like there's a point in there somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would anyone want plain black sights for ANY shooting situation? Especially for a self defense pistol. What color are the iron sights on your AR? Mine are all black. Seems like there's a point in there somewhere. There are FO AR sights, too. 
But that said, the sight on my "main" AR is a red dot...just like the front sight on my "main" self defense pistols. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 5:25:32 PM EDT
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I would imagine you read my post above. I already talked about similar things.
I admit I don't do a lot of shooting at night, so...... I've done a few "house clearing" drills at night. But that's about the extensiveness of my experience on the subject. So..... All I know is that a black post works well in the daytime. Which was in answer to someone's question about why one would want them at ANY time. It may have been a rhetorical question, but I disagree with the premise. |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 8:38:45 PM EDT
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Would you mind taking a picture of that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, my carry Glock 23 has a plain black 10-8 rear with .156" notch, and a Dawson .115" plain black front. Perfect IMO. Would you mind taking a picture of that? Here you go: 
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Posted: 9/26/2014 7:09:07 AM EDT
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Because they're superior. I did most of my low/no light training with a set of DeFoors and an a couple of Surefires and never had a problem. Never felt like tritium was of any benefit when I ran a P226&229 throigh the same stuff. Most game guys use fiber optic because they're old guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would anyone want plain black sights for ANY shooting situation? Especially for a self defense pistol. Because they're superior. I did most of my low/no light training with a set of DeFoors and an a couple of Surefires and never had a problem. Never felt like tritium was of any benefit when I ran a P226&229 throigh the same stuff. Most game guys use fiber optic because they're old guys. Why superior? |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 9:18:11 AM EDT
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Because they are easier to be precise with.
Unlike most of the real operators, I don't always use my sights. I only use 'em when I have enough time. I know how long it takes to aquire a sight picture and I make decisions based on time available, hit probability, and accountability. The Package. |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:02:43 PM EDT
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No, I prefer the Meprolight Tru-dot. Tritium dots with a thin white circle around them. Great for all conditions, when I have time to use them obviously. If the threat is that close, you're correct that sights can quickly become irrelevant.
I don't always aim with sights, but when I do, I prefer Meprolight.  |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 12:04:46 PM EDT
[#41]
I prefer a black rear. I run the hackathorn's
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:03:07 PM EDT
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Here you go: http://s46.photobucket.com/user/jbeckera22830/media/DSC00561_zps1c88c242.jpg.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, my carry Glock 23 has a plain black 10-8 rear with .156" notch, and a Dawson .115" plain black front. Perfect IMO. Would you mind taking a picture of that? Here you go: http://s46.photobucket.com/user/jbeckera22830/media/DSC00561_zps1c88c242.jpg.html Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 1:34:28 PM EDT
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Because they are easier to be precise with. Unlike most of the real operators, I don't always use my sights. I only use 'em when I have enough time. I know how long it takes to aquire a sight picture and I make decisions based on time available, hit probability, and accountability. The Package. You shoot a bit different than me, but I've read enough of your posts to assume you know what you're doing. At closer distances, I just put the front dot on the target, and press the trigger. Point shooting, but with higher probability of hits. |
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