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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:59:49 AM EDT

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Do not know why it posted two of ever thing sorry about that.

Posted: 8/11/2014 12:05:54 PM EDT

[#1]

looks like this one sold for $850, not nearly as nice of shape as yours

Posted: 8/11/2014 12:24:43 PM EDT

[#2]

Owned By:
Grant, Charles E. — Sergt. — Res. Boston; 20; occu. — ; enl. Sept. 22, 1861; must. Oct. 10,

1861 ; disch. May 25, 1863, for promotion. See Co. "B" 55th Mass. Inf.

Source:http://archive.org/stream/massachusettssol21931mass/massachusettssol21931mass_djvu.txt

NOTE:

The 55th Mass Infantry was a colored outfit.
ETA: Charles E. Grant started with the 55th as a 2nd Lieutenant and his final rank was Captain. He was in Company B.
He appeared to make Brevet Major as his final top rank.
There is a Charles E. Grant born 1841 who was listed in the 1860 and 1870 census. It is most likely the Charles E. in question as it lists his residence as 10th Ward in City of Boston.

There are two Charles E. Grants listed in death records for Massachusetts. One died in 1886 in Lowell, MA and the other died in Chester, MA in 1888. This, of course, assumes he stayed in Mass.

ETA:
The Pond revolvers violated the Rollin White patent for bored through cylinders held by S&W. S&W won the suit and the remaining inventory of Pond revolvers were marked "Made for Smith & Wesson".

Yours appears to be before that date, which makes sense as I think the case wasn't settled until after the war.

Posted: 8/11/2014 1:35:50 PM EDT

[#3]

I tried for years and countless hours trying to get some info on this pistol. My grandfather left it to me after he died some 30 years ago. Thanks for the info. This place never lets me down on the stuff people know and can find.

Posted: 8/11/2014 1:42:15 PM EDT

[#4]

While I could be wrong it looks like the cylinder is in backwards the locking notches typically in the back rather than front on most wheel guns

Posted: 8/11/2014 1:43:57 PM EDT

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Cylinder is in correctly in the OP's picture

Posted: 8/11/2014 1:53:11 PM EDT

[#6]

Nope that's the way it goes in. It rotates and locks up perfect. I will take a picture of it opened up and you can see the cylinder lock in the front of the frame

Posted: 8/11/2014 2:13:24 PM EDT

[#7]

Man, that gun's in fine shape for it's age.

Posted: 8/11/2014 2:16:18 PM EDT

[#8]

Beautiful family heirloom OP!!!

Posted: 8/11/2014 2:18:43 PM EDT

[#9]

That is really cool. I've never seen one before. Is it rimfire or centerfire? What caliber.

Thanks for sharing the pics.

Posted: 8/11/2014 2:52:26 PM EDT

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That is really cool. I've never seen one before. Is it rimfire or centerfire? What caliber.

Thanks for sharing the pics.

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Should be a 32 rimfire

Posted: 8/11/2014 3:27:38 PM EDT

[#11]

32 rim fire. I have six cartridges for it. I have wanted to try and shoot it but can not make self do it.

Posted: 8/11/2014 3:35:50 PM EDT

[#12]

I want to say Navy Arms still loads 32 rim fire. Gotta shoot that man

Posted: 8/11/2014 3:51:41 PM EDT

[#13]

I have nothing to add but sweet old gun!

Posted: 8/11/2014 5:41:59 PM EDT

[#14]

The cheapest ammo I found was $8.00 per round yes that was$8.00 per round this old girl will never be shot.

Posted: 8/11/2014 7:16:08 PM EDT

[#15]

That is seriously awesome, congrats on such a fantastic family heirloom.

Posted: 8/12/2014 11:10:46 AM EDT

[#16]

That's frakking cool. How did your grandfather come across it?

Posted: 8/12/2014 1:59:27 PM EDT

[#17]

I have no idea how it got in his possession. I do know that he was very into collecting old guns. He had a complete winchester lever action collection,That he sold to take care of medical bills. I remember one room in his house that had floor to ceiling gun racks on every wall and back to back racks on the floor in a about a 20' by 20 ' room. He collected just about anything gun related. I sure miss him. Every time I go to a gun show I kind of feel him with me.

Posted: 9/29/2014 8:24:01 PM EDT

[#18]

Dear Sir Thing,
I am the GG Grandson of Capt. Charles E Grant.
I have spent my whole researching and keeping his life's work.
I would be most humbly appreciative if we could make some kind of arrangement for your piece.
I have a Winchester 1895 model, made in I think 1906, at the shop getting cleaned.
Barrel is in excellent condition. Needs a buttstock. I would be willing to trade,
or make any kind of reasonable arrangement .
Most Humbly ...
If I can figure it out I will post a pic of CE Grant around the time he bought the gun.

Posted: 9/29/2014 8:38:39 PM EDT

[#19]

Charles Edward Grant b. 14 June 1842
d. 31 Dec. 1927 in Worcester Ma.
Served in the 24th Reg. Mass. Vol. mustered
out in 1863. Became a Capt. In 55th Mass. Co. B
Awarded Major by Brevet 1865.
Married Luella Howe of Holden Mass. in 1877
Four children, Malcolm, Stephanie, Harold, and Barton.
I used to read the newspaper to my Great Grandfather Malcolm.
His other two brothers had no children. My Mum was the last Grant from this line.

Posted: 9/30/2014 8:33:05 AM EDT

[#20]

Thank you for the further info on the old civil war gun. I and my family have had it for many years and had intended for it to be past down from one to another. I have no need for the 1865 you mentioned. Let me talk to the rest of the family and get some advice in the way to precede with your request. It may take a couple of days to talked to all involved. Thanks for your help in the info provided.

Posted: 9/30/2014 9:21:31 PM EDT

[#21]

That is a cool piece of history!!

Posted: 9/30/2014 9:25:55 PM EDT

[#22]

In 1925 Charles lost his wife in a terrible accident.
His son Barton had been home since WW1 ended.
Barton was "Shelll shocked" from the war and developed
a drinking and gambling problem. By the time
Charles E past in 1927, Barton was taking things out of the home
and selling them. I could imagine this piece sitting on a store shelf
and your Grandfather picking it up. The death of Charles and Luella has had
a long and lasting feeling of loss..

Posted: 9/30/2014 9:29:56 PM EDT

[#23]

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Dear Sir Thing,
I am the GG Grandson of Capt. Charles E Grant.
I have spent my whole researching and keeping his life's work.
I would be most humbly appreciative if we could make some kind of arrangement for your piece.
I have a Winchester 1895 model, made in I think 1906, at the shop getting cleaned.
Barrel is in excellent condition. Needs a buttstock. I would be willing to trade,
or make any kind of reasonable arrangement .
Most Humbly ...
If I can figure it out I will post a pic of CE Grant around the time he bought the gun.

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Posted: 9/30/2014 9:30:47 PM EDT

[#24]

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Thank you for the further info on the old civil war gun. I and my family have had it for many years and had intended for it to be past down from one to another. I have no need for the 1865 you mentioned. Let me talk to the rest of the family and get some advice in the way to precede with your request. It may take a couple of days to talked to all involved. Thanks for your help in the info provided.

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Be careful. Smells like a scam.

Posted: 9/30/2014 10:49:19 PM EDT

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Be careful. Smells like a scam.

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Thank you for the further info on the old civil war gun. I and my family have had it for many years and had intended for it to be past down from one to another. I have no need for the 1865 you mentioned. Let me talk to the rest of the family and get some advice in the way to precede with your request. It may take a couple of days to talked to all involved. Thanks for your help in the info provided.

Be careful. Smells like a scam.

Sold 62 years after the Civil war ended and 2 years after the owner died. Sounds like a pretty legit sale back in the day.

Posted: 10/1/2014 4:51:42 AM EDT

[#26]

I can prove it. Just tell me how to get pics on here

Posted: 10/1/2014 5:42:26 AM EDT

[#27]

. Major Charles E. Grant

Posted: 10/1/2014 7:00:09 AM EDT

[#28]

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Did you first use a site like tinypic, can't just pull if from you pics on your computer, have to go thru a site first, then transfer it.

Posted: 10/1/2014 7:33:16 AM EDT

[#29]

A scam is the first thing I thought about the language just does not seem right. May be something to it you never know. Never thought of getting rid of it any way.

Posted: 10/1/2014 11:15:37 AM EDT

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Be careful. Smells like a scam.

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Thank you for the further info on the old civil war gun. I and my family have had it for many years and had intended for it to be past down from one to another. I have no need for the 1865 you mentioned. Let me talk to the rest of the family and get some advice in the way to precede with your request. It may take a couple of days to talked to all involved. Thanks for your help in the info provided.

Be careful. Smells like a scam.

This looks more like a scam than anything I've seen in my entire time here.

Posted: 10/1/2014 11:55:08 AM EDT

[#31]

Yea. Definitely not a scam! How I even came across this site and the gun was purely
coincidental. Tell me how to post pics. And I'll prove everything I say.
Check out slideshare.net / Charles E Grant

Posted: 10/1/2014 1:23:36 PM EDT

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Yea. Definitely not a scam! How I even came across this site and the gun was purely
coincidental. Tell me how to post pics. And I'll prove everything I say.
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Create a photobucket account

Posted: 10/1/2014 1:39:19 PM EDT

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Yea. Definitely not a scam! How I even came across this site and the gun was purely
coincidental. Tell me how to post pics. And I'll prove everything I say.
Check out slideshare.net / Charles E Grant

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Sorry but Photobucket sucks, try IMGUR.COM

If you found ARFCOM you can figure it out

Posted: 10/1/2014 2:10:33 PM EDT

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Sorry but Photobucket sucks, try IMGUR.COM

If you found ARFCOM you can figure it out

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Yea. Definitely not a scam! How I even came across this site and the gun was purely
coincidental. Tell me how to post pics. And I'll prove everything I say.
Check out slideshare.net / Charles E Grant

Sorry but Photobucket sucks, try IMGUR.COM

If you found ARFCOM you can figure it out

I agree actually.

Posted: 10/1/2014 7:11:56 PM EDT

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Yea. Definitely not a scam! How I even came across this site and the gun was purely
coincidental. Tell me how to post pics. And I'll prove everything I say.
Check out slideshare.net / Charles E Grant

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Posted: 10/1/2014 8:18:00 PM EDT

[#36]

Careful OP, this guy writes like a Nigerian prince...

Posted: 10/1/2014 8:23:44 PM EDT

[#37]

Could be a Pond Revolver.

Posted: 10/2/2014 7:25:43 AM EDT

[#38]

Watching very carefully, in my Elmer Fudd(voice). Yes it is an early pond revolver. Form the era defore the law suit. Top strap says L W Pond make Worchester. Mass. Pats July 10 1860.

Posted: 10/2/2014 4:30:07 PM EDT

[#39]

Posted: 10/2/2014 4:39:50 PM EDT

[#40]

Posted: 10/2/2014 5:14:42 PM EDT

[#41]

Let me help you out here, bub. Everybody else see these?

Nothing personal on the scam bit. We get a fair number of scammers here and I've seen guys get burned... The odds of some guy, posting this random old pistol and that one guy in the whole world who is looking for that specific gun runs across it, signs up, and makes his first post here? Sounds fishy.

Not saying you aren't honest, but if it were my gun, I would be cautious.

Posted: 10/2/2014 5:28:20 PM EDT

[#42]

Thanks for the help. I do understand how people do take advantage.
This whole thing really has been a bit overwhelming..
I hope things work out. In a way I wish I never saw it.
I tried to add more pics.

Posted: 10/2/2014 5:31:30 PM EDT

[#43]

No worries. Sorry to have bothered ya...

Here is a hotlink to your album for the future.http://imgur.com/a/0Co93

Posted: 10/2/2014 6:08:53 PM EDT

[#44]

Posted: 10/5/2014 11:58:22 AM EDT

[#45]

Nice old pistol is great shape. BTW, you are the heir to distant relative I am executor to. Please to contact me so sum of $10,000,000 can be sent to you.

Posted: 10/5/2014 2:12:06 PM EDT

[#46]

I would like to mention that I am a member of
The Sons Of Union Veterans of the Civil War
Willie Grout camp 25, also a participant in the
15th MA reenactment regt. , The New England Gaurd, and The
Blackstone Guards. Living history is my focus, and to be able to
purchase the pistol would greatly enhance the collection for educational
purposes. For all you naysayers...grow up!! Don't believe? Do some research!!

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