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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:06:55 PM EDT
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I'd find an FFL that does transfers for cheap and ship through them.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:21:55 PM EDT
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I'd find an FFL that does transfers for cheap and ship through them. My FFL does them for $20 pluz $10 background check fee. So $20ish for them to ship it and then $30 on the back end for the transfer. Can I ship a G19 frame for cheaper than $50? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:41:58 PM EDT
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Find someone that doesn't charge $30 for a transfer. My FFL charges $10.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:49:09 PM EDT
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Find someone that doesn't charge $30 for a transfer. My FFL charges $10. Is this really a transfer though? He's not transferring ownership; he's just getting it worked on, and will get it back. I'd recommend asking the gunsmith in question what form of shipment they normally take for this kind of work. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Find someone that doesn't charge $30 for a transfer. My FFL charges $10. CO has a mandatory $10 fee. The transfer is $20 |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:15:32 PM EDT
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He doesnt need to do a transfer to ship to a gunsmith. Take it to your FFL and ask him to ship it; they have better options and can usually ship it for $20 or so. I do it all the time.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:16:19 PM EDT
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He doesnt need to do a transfer to ship to a gunsmith. Take it to your FFL and ask him to ship it; they have better options and can usually ship it for $20 or so. I do it all the time. And the gunsmith can ship it directly back to me? Gunsmith has a flat $10 return shipping |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:30:55 PM EDT
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If I want to ship to a gunsmith, I have to ship overnight, correct? ETA: and he can ship it back to my house directly? Fedex, UPS only? <----FFL I wrote this "How to ship firearms" guide and its stickied at The Firing Line. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539529 No federal law requires shipping Overnight or Next Day...........but FedEx and UPS both require such service. Fail to follow their tariffs (shipping policies) and you'll nothing on a claim for loss, damage or theft. Quoted:
I'd find an FFL that does transfers for cheap and ship through them. This. Licensed dealers and manufacturers can mail a handgun via USPS for less than half the cost of FedEx/UPS. I charge $10 + actual shipping/insurance/adult signature......try and find a dealer who does this as well. I also don't charge a fee when the gun is returned from repair. Quoted:
Can I ship a G19 frame for cheaper than $50? Firearm frames, receivers and lowers are treated exactly the same as any firearm. Labeling it "machine parts" doesn't change the fact that a handgun frame is still a handgun. Quoted:
Is this really a transfer though? He's not transferring ownership; he's just getting it worked on, and will get it back... Yes, it's a transfer. "Ownership" has nothing to do with it..........it's a matter of "possession". Anytime a firearm is shipped interstate it must be received by an FFL. The only exceptions are shipping a firearm addressed to yourself in another state or the return of a repaired or replacement firearm from a licensed gunsmith or manufacturer. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:08:28 PM EDT
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He doesnt need to do a transfer to ship to a gunsmith. Take it to your FFL and ask him to ship it; they have better options and can usually ship it for $20 or so. I do it all the time. And the gunsmith can ship it directly back to me? Gunsmith has a flat $10 return shipping If YOU ship it to the gunsmith for repair, it can be returned to you. If your dealer ships it, the gunsmith should return it to him. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:37:58 PM EDT
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If YOU ship it to the gunsmith for repair, it can be returned to you. If your dealer ships it, the gunsmith should return it to him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesnt need to do a transfer to ship to a gunsmith. Take it to your FFL and ask him to ship it; they have better options and can usually ship it for $20 or so. I do it all the time. And the gunsmith can ship it directly back to me? Gunsmith has a flat $10 return shipping If YOU ship it to the gunsmith for repair, it can be returned to you. If your dealer ships it, the gunsmith should return it to him. So advise me on the cheapest course of action while being legal. Please and thank you Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:45:40 PM EDT
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Check out the Colorado hometown forum and see if there are any threads about FFL fees. If there isn't, start one. We have one in the Okie forum.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:50:07 PM EDT
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So advise me on the cheapest course of action while being legal. Please and thank you Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesnt need to do a transfer to ship to a gunsmith. Take it to your FFL and ask him to ship it; they have better options and can usually ship it for $20 or so. I do it all the time. And the gunsmith can ship it directly back to me? Gunsmith has a flat $10 return shipping If YOU ship it to the gunsmith for repair, it can be returned to you. If your dealer ships it, the gunsmith should return it to him. So advise me on the cheapest course of action while being legal. Please and thank you Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile "Cheapest" depends on what your local FFL charges to mail USPS vs doing it yourself FedEx/UPS. You'll need to find a local FFL with reasonable fees. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:52:32 PM EDT
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"Cheapest" depends on what your local FFL charges to mail USPS vs doing it yourself FedEx/UPS. You'll need to find a local FFL with reasonable fees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesnt need to do a transfer to ship to a gunsmith. Take it to your FFL and ask him to ship it; they have better options and can usually ship it for $20 or so. I do it all the time. And the gunsmith can ship it directly back to me? Gunsmith has a flat $10 return shipping If YOU ship it to the gunsmith for repair, it can be returned to you. If your dealer ships it, the gunsmith should return it to him. So advise me on the cheapest course of action while being legal. Please and thank you Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile "Cheapest" depends on what your local FFL charges to mail USPS vs doing it yourself FedEx/UPS. You'll need to find a local FFL with reasonable fees. So potential FFL shipping fee, actual shipping price, gunsmith return shipping fee, FFL transfer, CO background check fee... Eff Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:00:15 PM EDT
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Again, no transfer is required so no transfer fee is needed. Also it's your gun the gunsmith can ship it back to you even if you have your dealer ship it out. At least I have never needed to.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:01:48 PM EDT
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So potential FFL shipping fee, actual shipping price, gunsmith return shipping fee, FFL transfer, CO background check fee... Eff Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Move to a state that doesn't charge a "background check fee"..........the FBI NICS is a free service. 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:04:53 PM EDT
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Move to a state that doesn't charge a "background check fee"..........the FBI NICS is a free service. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So potential FFL shipping fee, actual shipping price, gunsmith return shipping fee, FFL transfer, CO background check fee... Eff Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Move to a state that doesn't charge a "background check fee"..........the FBI NICS is a free service. Agreed but that's the cheapest of all 6 parts! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 7:13:45 PM EDT
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Again, no transfer is required so no transfer fee is needed. Also it's your gun the gunsmith can ship it back to you even if you have your dealer ship it out. At least I have never needed to. a transfer fee is assessed by an fll for the service. if you mail it yourself then there's nobody to transfer through, but you have less options, which are usually more expensive, for shipping. i tried to ship a 10/22 via fedex and since i'm not an ffl the only option was overnight at about $100. i said screw that and took it to an ffl, paid him $20 plus about $15 to ups for shipping. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:14:04 AM EDT
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....... i tried to ship a 10/22 via fedex and since i'm not an ffl the only option was overnight at about $100...... Neither FedEx Overnight or UPS Next Day is required for shipping rifles or shotguns............both carriers tariffs clearly permit "Ground".
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:59:36 PM EDT
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Neither FedEx Overnight or UPS Next Day is required for shipping rifles or shotguns............both carriers tariffs clearly permit "Ground".
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....... i tried to ship a 10/22 via fedex and since i'm not an ffl the only option was overnight at about $100...... Neither FedEx Overnight or UPS Next Day is required for shipping rifles or shotguns............both carriers tariffs clearly permit "Ground".
When I went to the Fedex place that was the only option they gave me. I even pointed out that ground shipping was an option, but they wouldn't go for it so I left. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:41:07 PM EDT
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When I went to the Fedex place that was the only option they gave me. I even pointed out that ground shipping was an option, but they wouldn't go for it so I left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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....... i tried to ship a 10/22 via fedex and since i'm not an ffl the only option was overnight at about $100...... Neither FedEx Overnight or UPS Next Day is required for shipping rifles or shotguns............both carriers tariffs clearly permit "Ground".
When I went to the Fedex place that was the only option they gave me. I even pointed out that ground shipping was an option, but they wouldn't go for it so I left. Rarely will counter clerks (FedEx, UPS or USPS) know every option or shipping regulation for their carrier. It is always best for you to be more knowledgeable than them............go in armed with a copy of their policy and you'll never get hoodwinked again. FedEx Office locations are company owned and should have plenty of experience shipping guns. It's not unusual for a counter clerk to "think" they know every rule and regulation. I've found that if showing them their actual policy doesn't work (with applicable rule highlighted)..........ask for a supervisor. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:33:16 PM EDT
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i dealt with the manager.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:57:30 AM EDT
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My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:45:14 PM EDT
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:18:13 PM EDT
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. I guess how I interpreted this thread was an FFL had special privilege to ship a handgun basically in a usps $6 priority flat rate box. I'm also inferring from the second blue portion that even if I complied with FedEx to the letter of the law, they still might deny it...? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:23:51 PM EDT
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I guess how I interpreted this thread was an FFL had special privilege to ship a handgun basically in a usps $6 priority flat rate box. I'm also inferring from the second blue portion that even if I complied with FedEx to the letter of the law, they still might deny it...? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. I guess how I interpreted this thread was an FFL had special privilege to ship a handgun basically in a usps $6 priority flat rate box. I'm also inferring from the second blue portion that even if I complied with FedEx to the letter of the law, they still might deny it...? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Law says ground is okay. FedEx company policy is that hand guns must go over night. Legally you can ship it ground, but if anything were to happen to the package and FedEx found out it was a hand gun, they would deny your claim. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:50:48 PM EDT
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I guess how I interpreted this thread was an FFL had special privilege to ship a handgun basically in a usps $6 priority flat rate box. I'm also inferring from the second blue portion that even if I complied with FedEx to the letter of the law, they still might deny it...? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. I guess how I interpreted this thread was an FFL had special privilege to ship a handgun basically in a usps $6 priority flat rate box. I'm also inferring from the second blue portion that even if I complied with FedEx to the letter of the law, they still might deny it...? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Correct. USPS regs permit licensed dealers and manufacturers to mail firearms other than rifles and shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, AR lowers PGO shotguns and any concealable firearm). You mortals are limited to rifles and shotguns only. If you fail to abide by USPS regulation you violate Federal law......a felony. If you violate UPS or FedEx policy you get nada on a claim. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:52:35 PM EDT
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Correct. USPS regs permit licensed dealers and manufacturers to mail firearms other than rifles and shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, AR lowers PGO shotguns and any concealable firearm). You mortals are limited to rifles and shotguns only. If you fail to abide by USPS regulation you violate Federal law......a felony. If you violate UPS or FedEx policy you get nada on a claim. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. I guess how I interpreted this thread was an FFL had special privilege to ship a handgun basically in a usps $6 priority flat rate box. I'm also inferring from the second blue portion that even if I complied with FedEx to the letter of the law, they still might deny it...? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Correct. USPS regs permit licensed dealers and manufacturers to mail firearms other than rifles and shotguns (handguns, frames, receivers, AR lowers PGO shotguns and any concealable firearm). You mortals are limited to rifles and shotguns only. If you fail to abide by USPS regulation you violate Federal law......a felony. If you violate UPS or FedEx policy you get nada on a claim. well I've got enough info to make a decision. Thanks for your insight |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:50:56 PM EDT
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. my ffl ships handguns usps for $16.25. |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:41:23 AM EDT
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Update - kinda My FFL I've been dealing with wants $20 + (his estimate was $25 for shipping) to ship it to the gunsmith in TX so $45. Then he wants $20 on the back end to "transfer" it back. I'll work with the gunsmith to ship it directly to me. $45 sounds absurd to me; I'll search out the HTF It's not absurbed when you consider that Overnight/Next Day runs $60 or more.....for USPS that sounds spot on. As far as a transfer fee when it returns?.....You need to find a better FFL. Also, what I'm gleaning from Dogtown is that I can put it in my box and ship it myself via fedex for $15 or so and gamble on not having any recourse if something happens...? Sure. FedEx denies claims every day. my ffl ships handguns usps for $16.25. And he isn't insuring the package or having adult signature on delivery. |
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