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Posted: 8/15/2013 4:06:38 AM EST
modern or otherwise?
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Link Posted: 8/15/2013 7:41:18 AM EST
hard to beat MarcW's Pardini... a 1911's grip safety and frame can be undercut to the thumb safety pivot hole... my 1911 was getting close to the edge when it was built way back when... you can see the thumb wear marks on the slide...



Link Posted: 8/15/2013 7:59:32 AM EST
Probably a cz of some sort
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 8:07:24 AM EST
Im a 1911 guy,

But I think a Glock has a lower axis to the bore than a 1911
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 8:18:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2013 8:19:57 AM EST by jaqufrost]
Possibly the Steyr.

ETA: M9/M40 and variants.
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 9:34:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chase45:
Im a 1911 guy,

But I think a Glock has a lower axis to the bore than a 1911
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True. That's the best thing about the Glock. In addition to the low bore axis, the grip angle forces you to pivot your wrist downward, effectively lowering the bore axis even more in relation to your forearm. The lowered wrist is less apt to act as a pivot as the gun recoils. This enables really quick follow-up shots.

The Steyr and Caracal guns are set up very similarly.
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 10:52:40 AM EST
The FNS is slightly lower than a Glock.
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 10:55:11 AM EST
P7s are pretty low.
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 12:10:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MarcW:
http://imageshack.us/a/img32/9728/1k4t.jpg
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That's kind of where I am going with this. But is there any centerfire pistols with a similar layout?
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 2:31:24 PM EST
Czs have a low bore axis because of the slide to frame design. The slide rides internally of the frame.
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 2:38:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lasnyder:
hard to beat MarcW's Pardini... a 1911's grip safety and frame can be undercut to the thumb safety pivot hole... my 1911 was getting close to the edge when it was built way back when... you can see the thumb wear marks on the slide...
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz180/LesSnyder/DSC00486_zpsdf5a5e6a.jpg
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1911s don't have a low bore axis no matter what you do with them because the slide itself is pretty tall and sits relatively high above the pivot hole.


green = 1911, red = Glock, blue = P7


Some center fire pistols which do have a (more or less) low bore axis: CZ 75 (highest on the list), Pardini GT9, HK P7, Glock, Steyr M, S&W M&P, Caracal, Strike One
Link Posted: 8/15/2013 5:13:32 PM EST
Arsenal Strike One




Link Posted: 8/16/2013 2:53:32 AM EST
CZ, Glock, P7, M&P all have a pretty low bore axis.
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 3:27:07 AM EST
Where can you get the Strike One's?
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 5:22:48 AM EST
Star 30M
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 5:25:54 AM EST
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This. I want one. Not available for U.S. yet.....

Also GSH-18, HK P7
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 5:26:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 6:23:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Where can you get the Strike One's?
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I don't think they are avail in the US yet. I def want to check one out when they are!
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 6:43:24 AM EST
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I don't think they are avail in the US yet. I def want to check one out when they are!
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Where can you get the Strike One's?


I don't think they are avail in the US yet. I def want to check one out when they are!


Last I recall it was going to be late this year. I am all about these... they look very intriguing.
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 7:04:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Possibly the Steyr.

ETA: M9/M40 and variants.
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This, if you are looking for a centerfire semiauto then the steyr M9a1 and m40a1 series appear to have the lowest bore axis. It is similar to the arsenal strike one in that regard
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 7:06:22 AM EST
The steyrs also have a long slide version that came out this year, the L9a1/L40a1
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 7:26:41 AM EST
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http://matebafan.com/unica/photo1large.jpg
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Came to post this, as it does technically cock itself, but it's still a revolver...
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 7:49:14 AM EST
Caracal? Looks like it has a pretty low bore axis.
Link Posted: 8/16/2013 1:07:13 PM EST
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As cool as the Mateba is, it ain't a pistol.

Hi Powers have pretty low bore axes, as low as CZ's.
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 4:27:48 AM EST
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Been waiting patiently for this to hit the market, but have not seen any prices..
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 5:52:20 AM EST
The PMR-30 is pretty darn low.
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 3:50:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
The PMR-30 is pretty darn low.
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Yes. I had a chance to shoot one recently. Interesting.
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 3:53:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wesmerc:

Yes. I had a chance to shoot one recently. Interesting.
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
The PMR-30 is pretty darn low.

Yes. I had a chance to shoot one recently. Interesting.


Haven't shot one, handled one though.

I've got an RFB and a PF9, and other than possibly a Sub2K at some point, those will probably be my only KelTecs. Everything else feels cheaper and more plastic-y...
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 4:19:05 PM EST
Smith and Wesson 622.
The barrel is on the bottom.
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 6:34:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
P7s are pretty low.
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P7 is really low
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 8:39:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2013 8:43:19 PM EST by FrozInAK]
What about the Boberg Lineup? Sure they are new and expensive. They might fit the criteria.

EDIT: Late to the game, there are many good suggestions. I am just adding food for thought.

Also, after looking at pictures, the firearm doensn't look any lower than an M&P.
Link Posted: 8/18/2013 11:25:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2013 11:25:51 PM EST by corpseknight]

Notice the deep cut under the rear slide/beavertail area and the odd angle of the trigger/trigger guard. It forces your hand up really high. Not real comfy for me, but people with little hands dig it. The difference in muzzle flip is very noticeable between shooting the Steyr vs something like a Sig or even a Glock. The chunky Steyr slide probably eats up a lot of the recoil as well.
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 3:07:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By postpostban:
Smith and Wesson 622.
The barrel is on the bottom.
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Wow never heard of that one, pretty cool looking design. How do they shoot?

Link Posted: 8/19/2013 5:31:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By corpseknight:
Notice the deep cut under the rear slide/beavertail area and the odd angle of the trigger/trigger guard.
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I wish Glock had done the same thing with their trigger guard. As it is now, the trigger finger has to stretch up and away from the rest of the fingers as they angle down.
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 5:39:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Storz:


Wow never heard of that one, pretty cool looking design. How do they shoot?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3327135537/5839473/sw-622-3.jpg
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Originally Posted By Storz:
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Smith and Wesson 622.
The barrel is on the bottom.


Wow never heard of that one, pretty cool looking design. How do they shoot?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3327135537/5839473/sw-622-3.jpg


I owned one exactly like that. It shot fine, much like any other quality .22. It was fairly accurate and reliable. I didn't like how the front sight was silver and the rear sight notch wasn't very deep at all. Detail stripping was not something easily accomplished due to the complicated lower assembly. The mag release is on the frontstrap, which is convenient yet odd. It seemed to throw a lot more powder and crap on my arms while shooting than most other designs.
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 7:22:26 AM EST
How does that 622 chamber a round from the magazine? I am having hard time seeing the "path"
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 7:26:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Storz:
How does that 622 chamber a round from the magazine? I am having hard time seeing the "path"
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The slide doesn't stop at the top of the frame, goes all the way down to the top of the mag and the chamber.
The mag stops just short of the chamber like any other gun.





Link Posted: 8/19/2013 10:08:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Storz:


Wow never heard of that one, pretty cool looking design. How do they shoot?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3327135537/5839473/sw-622-3.jpg
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Originally Posted By Storz:
Originally Posted By postpostban:
Smith and Wesson 622.
The barrel is on the bottom.


Wow never heard of that one, pretty cool looking design. How do they shoot?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3327135537/5839473/sw-622-3.jpg


they shoot great I have ownede one since 86 or so great 22 it uses S&W 41 mags too.
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 10:28:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By corpseknight:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_1490.jpg
Notice the deep cut under the rear slide/beavertail area and the odd angle of the trigger/trigger guard. It forces your hand up really high. Not real comfy for me, but people with little hands dig it. The difference in muzzle flip is very noticeable between shooting the Steyr vs something like a Sig or even a Glock. The chunky Steyr slide probably eats up a lot of the recoil as well.
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Interestingly, I have big hands and the Steyr M9/M9-A1 feels really good in my hands.

And, as mentioned, the muzzle flip of my M9-A1 is noticeably less than the Glock 17 that I usually carry.

I'm guessing that the Caracal, given the configuration of the position of the web of the hand on the grip (high like the Steyr), would feel very much like the Steyr M9-A1.

Although the triangular sights of the Steyr M9-A1 are interesting, I'm used to three dot sights so I replaced the original triangle sights with sets of Trijicon ST01 tritium (green/green) sights on my M9s...

Forrest




Link Posted: 8/19/2013 11:10:22 AM EST
Caracal
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 11:47:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Storz:
How does that 622 chamber a round from the magazine? I am having hard time seeing the "path"
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A picture of the other side would show you better. The chamber/ejection port is under the slide. The slide rides on top. It's unlike other pistols. I own one. It's a great shooter.
Link Posted: 8/19/2013 12:16:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
The PMR-30 is pretty darn low.
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By the way, the PMR-30 bore axis is appreciably higher than the Glock 17 (if comparing how the web of the hand fits the grip).

I don't mean that in any bad way about the PMR-30 because I really like it, but anyway...

Forrest




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