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Posted: 6/9/2013 4:41:46 AM EDT
After much thought, I've come to the realization that--in a true SHTF situation--a revolver is more versatile. For example, I can use my S&W 686 with plastic bullets & primers for teaching shooting, hand loads or wad cutters for small game, shot for snakes, modern hollow points for self-defense and 180 or 200 grain hard cast for bear or moose ( in my part of the world--not Florida ) or gators in FL.

Fire power is the trade....and if I was being jumped by a zombie motorcycle gang, I'd want an AR or AK--or at least one of my Glocks or SIGs.

So--my question: for those who have chosen semi-auto handguns for SHTF--how do you address the use of a semi-autos limitation in a SHTF situation? A semiauto rifle & revolver?

Or, in typical ARF style, get both!

Thanks for the help.
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 4:46:55 AM EDT
Get both
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 5:01:37 AM EDT
Glock 19
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 5:54:51 AM EDT
For me a SHTF scenario is a temporary disruption in my way of life (weeks to months in duration) due to natural or man made causes.
Pretty much all modern semi auto pistols are suitable.

I have wheel guns but they are not go-to pistols.

I have .22lrs for training and suppressed use.
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 5:56:44 AM EDT
Any social use of a handgun is SHTF, period. You're in a life or death situation and you have to win, and you have to win now.
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 6:15:56 AM EDT
Definitely get both.

Link Posted: 6/9/2013 6:21:26 AM EDT
I have no intention of stocking up on plastic bullets, or buying any at all, I don't see any value to training with a zero recoil, short range, inaccurate round.
In all my life I've never had cause to shoot a snake, and I've been very near many, and quite a few venomous.
If I have any other option, I won't be using a handgun for hunting or self defense, if that's all I have I'm already compromising and probably beyond the point of being able to choose, in which case anything is better than nothing. Not knocking handgun hunters, just not my thing. In a true survival mode it doens't matter if all I have is a pellet gun I'm going to try and down game with it.
When I lived in AK, my woods carry gun was a 12ga when possible, and .45LC or 44mag when that was precluded, as my primary concern was large bears, in a situation without them to worry about, but a significantly increased potential for conflict with armed groups capacity and reloads win.
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 8:40:07 AM EDT
S&W and Taurus make 8 shot revolvers. I think availability of ammo is more important that the type of gun. A 10mm has a wide application, but you are not going to find much ammo if SHTF. On the other hand, a .22 rifle will kill a cow for instance, even though a .357 Mag is better.
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 10:41:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
After much thought, I've come to the realization that--in a true SHTF situation--a revolver is more versatile. For example, I can use my S&W 686 with plastic bullets & primers for teaching shooting, hand loads or wad cutters for small game, shot for snakes, modern hollow points for self-defense and 180 or 200 grain hard cast for bear or moose ( in my part of the world--not Florida ) or gators in FL.

Fire power is the trade....and if I was being jumped by a zombie motorcycle gang, I'd want an AR or AK--or at least one of my Glocks or SIGs.

So--my question: for those who have chosen semi-auto handguns for SHTF--how do you address the use of a semi-autos limitation in a SHTF situation? A semiauto rifle & revolver?

Or, in typical ARF style, get both!

Thanks for the help.




WTF do they put in the water in NH???
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 12:34:49 PM EDT
Buy a full size semi auto in a service caliber.

Buy a lightweight 5 shot snub nosed wheel gun for a bug.

Problem solved.
Link Posted: 6/9/2013 1:05:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
After much thought, I've come to the realization that--in a true SHTF situation--a revolver is more versatile. For example, I can use my S&W 686 with plastic bullets & primers for teaching shooting, hand loads or wad cutters for small game, shot for snakes, modern hollow points for self-defense and 180 or 200 grain hard cast for bear or moose ( in my part of the world--not Florida ) or gators in FL.

Fire power is the trade....and if I was being jumped by a zombie motorcycle gang, I'd want an AR or AK--or at least one of my Glocks or SIGs.

So--my question: for those who have chosen semi-auto handguns for SHTF--how do you address the use of a semi-autos limitation in a SHTF situation? A semiauto rifle & revolver?

Or, in typical ARF style, get both!

Thanks for the help.




WTF do they put in the water in NH???


It's the SHTF mentality. They like junk shit like pump shotguns, revolvers, 30-30s etc when the whole world is overflowing with decent guns.

Link Posted: 6/9/2013 1:11:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
After much thought, I've come to the realization that--in a true SHTF situation--a revolver is more versatile. For example, I can use my S&W 686 with plastic bullets & primers for teaching shooting, hand loads or wad cutters for small game, shot for snakes, modern hollow points for self-defense and 180 or 200 grain hard cast for bear or moose ( in my part of the world--not Florida ) or gators in FL.

Fire power is the trade....and if I was being jumped by a zombie motorcycle gang, I'd want an AR or AK--or at least one of my Glocks or SIGs.

So--my question: for those who have chosen semi-auto handguns for SHTF--how do you address the use of a semi-autos limitation in a SHTF situation? A semiauto rifle & revolver?

Or, in typical ARF style, get both!

Thanks for the help.


What kind of SHTF? Life if I have to defend myself against zombies or city thugs...Everything I have. Everything from my black powder rifles to every bolt gun will be loaded and placed strategically. When I leave, they will all be in my truck with my bag, kit, supplies, etc.

If you wanted to drop me off in the woods to survive...Probably my CZ75 9mm for defense and a 10/22 Takedown with a few hundred rounds in my pack.
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 11:23:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
After much thought, I've come to the realization that--in a true SHTF situation--a revolver is more versatile. For example, I can use my S&W 686 with plastic bullets & primers for teaching shooting, hand loads or wad cutters for small game, shot for snakes, modern hollow points for self-defense and 180 or 200 grain hard cast for bear or moose ( in my part of the world--not Florida ) or gators in FL.

Fire power is the trade....and if I was being jumped by a zombie motorcycle gang, I'd want an AR or AK--or at least one of my Glocks or SIGs.

So--my question: for those who have chosen semi-auto handguns for SHTF--how do you address the use of a semi-autos limitation in a SHTF situation? A semiauto rifle & revolver?

Or, in typical ARF style, get both!

Thanks for the help.






WTF do they put in the water in NH???


It's the SHTF mentality. They like junk shit like pump shotguns, revolvers, 30-30s etc when the whole world is overflowing with decent guns.


Exactly!


Link Posted: 6/10/2013 11:48:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Brunks:
Glock 19


Yep.

Or a good 686. Maybe both.

Nothing wrong with revolvers or pump shotties.

And WTF is everybody's deal with snakes?

Link Posted: 6/10/2013 4:48:38 PM EDT
Bear and moose?

Have you ever seen either of those animals in person? You're not going to take one down with a revolver. Even one of the 500 S&W.
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 5:18:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Any social use of a handgun is SHTF, period. You're in a life or death situation and you have to win, and you have to win now.



+1.

I think the OP is talking TEOTWAWKI. In that case a 357 revolver is hard to beat.

Link Posted: 6/10/2013 6:15:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By les_strat:
Originally Posted By Brunks:
Glock 19


Yep.

Or a good 686. Maybe both.

Nothing wrong with revolvers or pump shotties.

And WTF is everybody's deal with snakes?



Beats me; I have come across quite a few snakes over the decades and managed to survive quite well without ever owning a "snake gun" or carrying shot ammnition for any of my handguns.
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 6:20:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By goldeyeslayer:
Get both


It's ARF fashion but realistically you need a good auto and revolver for different reasons. A g17 is a great start
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 7:42:59 PM EDT
the one in your hand when you need it


no, seriously, you'd be best off with a Glock 19 and a solid-ass .22LR like a Ruger Mk II.
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 7:51:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2013 7:52:59 PM EDT by Alpha82]
Originally Posted By Iram:
Bear and moose?

Have you ever seen either of those animals in person? You're not going to take one down with a revolver. Even one of the 500 S&W.


Yes, I saw a black bear that squared 6'7" dropped with one shot from a 44mag, not dead, but down and not getting up. And there's several articles about a gent that stopped a charging griz in Denali with a 45ACP. Many more bears have succumbed to handguns. Troopers have many times put down AK moose with .40S&Ws though their shot placement is sometimes so bad it takes a lot longer than it should. Ideal, no, but it can and has been done. A pistol is always a compromise as a weapon, but it generally beats the shit out of throwing rocks.

Link Posted: 6/10/2013 8:30:30 PM EDT
Semi-auto rifle with a revolver as backup has a lot to be said for it in some ways.
Link Posted: 6/10/2013 8:50:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
After much thought, I've come to the realization that--in a true SHTF situation--a revolver is more versatile. For example, I can use my S&W 686 with plastic bullets & primers for teaching shooting, hand loads or wad cutters for small game, shot for snakes, modern hollow points for self-defense and 180 or 200 grain hard cast for bear or moose ( in my part of the world--not Florida ) or gators in FL.

Fire power is the trade....and if I was being jumped by a zombie motorcycle gang, I'd want an AR or AK--or at least one of my Glocks or SIGs.

So--my question: for those who have chosen semi-auto handguns for SHTF--how do you address the use of a semi-autos limitation in a SHTF situation? A semiauto rifle & revolver?

Or, in typical ARF style, get both!

Thanks for the help.




WTF do they put in the water in NH???


It's the SHTF mentality. They like junk shit like pump shotguns, revolvers, 30-30s etc when the whole world is overflowing with decent guns.


That's just ignorant. Being proficient with your gun of choice matters more than what it is. The gear snobs abound here. It doesn't have to be tacticool or a clone of a tier one SOCOM operator weapon to be worth a shit.

I would not belittle someone for their choice of gun if they can use it effectively.
Link Posted: 6/11/2013 7:59:58 PM EDT
I love my 686+ but SHTF or what ever I would take a glock 19-23 for low profile and an ar15 for highprofile.
Link Posted: 6/12/2013 1:05:56 AM EDT
Revolvers don't go down often, but when they do they tend to go down hard.

Long term SHTF, I'd prefer a good service pistol.
Link Posted: 6/12/2013 1:29:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/12/2013 1:30:44 AM EDT by SirSqueeboo]
Sig, Glock and ARs. What limitations would a gun like a Glock have?
Link Posted: 6/16/2013 8:05:04 AM EDT
I think a Glock 23 with a lone wolf 9mm conversion barrel and some 19 mags would be the best TEOTWAWKI handgun. You could then have the ability to scavenge the most popular police caliber (.40), and the most popular civilian caliber (9mm). You could also scavenge and use Glock 22 or 17 mags giving you even more versatility.

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Link Posted: 6/17/2013 5:44:21 AM EDT
I'm not on board either. I'll take the Hi Cap 9 for a SD handgun and use other things to hunt with.
Link Posted: 6/19/2013 6:57:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rick_A:
That's just ignorant. Being proficient with your gun of choice matters more than what it is. The gear snobs abound here. It doesn't have to be tacticool or a clone of a tier one SOCOM operator weapon to be worth a shit.

I would not belittle someone for their choice of gun if they can use it effectively.


Ain't too many proficient revolver guys out there.

I can prove it. Read any DA/SA vs striker argument on the 'net. Everyone whines about how a DA first pull makes the gun too difficult to fuck with. Now, make the grip resemble nothing that you'd ever design to fit in you hand and give it 6 DA pulls in a row and see what happens.

Link Posted: 6/20/2013 7:07:20 AM EDT
I'm firmly in the use whatever you're comfortable with (or whatever you happen to have on hand when you need it). A double action revolver is not that hard to learn if you're willing to put in some time. A good double action trigger pull is nowhere near the impediment to fast accurate shooting that some seem to think and it is quite possible to do fast reloads with a speedloader (particularly push designs like the Safarilands). While it wouldn't be my first choice, I really don't see me getting in any running gunfights where I need to shoot multiple magazines from a handgun either.
Link Posted: 6/21/2013 1:35:06 AM EDT
Another vote for Glock 19
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