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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:58:44 PM
I never had a problem with Buds or any other online firearms dealer,put CC info press buy now or send and it go's to my FFL.Easy as pie.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:24:15 PM
Originally Posted By whiplash10:
Originally Posted By TUBBY:
There are 3 premises all businesses operate on, they can only do 2 of the 3. Fast, Cheap and Good. You wanted all 3. I wanted all 3, did I? Are you drunk? How does your statement even pertain to what we are talking about here? Fast: no, I've been waiting for a couple months for the gun. No hurry. Cheap: no again, they were $50-$75 more expensive than other outlets carrying FDE Glocks. Good: nope. But thanks for the business lesson. Apparently I don't speak for everyone, but those standards in business make for sub par service, and I for one am glad my company doesn't find that to be an acceptable standard. Not that it really matters, but... why did you choose to pay $50-$75 more at Bud's to begin with? |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 11:44:26 PM
Someone else pointed out in another thread that Bud's doesn't hold inventory for "layaway." Says so in their disclosures somewhere on the website. I haven't verified it, so I don't know for sure.
In either case. Who the hell uses layaway for a gun? Save up your damn money, then look for the deals. You can offer cash, and the fewer transactions you have to make with ANY company, the less chances there are for something to get fucked up. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:16:26 AM
how is this "technical" discussion?
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Posted: 6/28/2012 3:36:53 AM
bought from them twice and no problems at all
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Posted: 6/28/2012 6:54:05 AM
Lay-away is bad juju. Never ordered from budds, never will. I've always found better deals elsewhere from better stores
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Posted: 6/28/2012 8:48:22 AM
[Last Edit: 6/28/2012 8:52:06 AM by whiplash10]
Originally Posted By rcdice:
Originally Posted By whiplash10:
Originally Posted By TUBBY:
There are 3 premises all businesses operate on, they can only do 2 of the 3. Fast, Cheap and Good. You wanted all 3. I wanted all 3, did I? Are you drunk? How does your statement even pertain to what we are talking about here? Fast: no, I've been waiting for a couple months for the gun. No hurry. Cheap: no again, they were $50-$75 more expensive than other outlets carrying FDE Glocks. Good: nope. But thanks for the business lesson. Apparently I don't speak for everyone, but those standards in business make for sub par service, and I for one am glad my company doesn't find that to be an acceptable standard. Not that it really matters, but... why did you choose to pay $50-$75 more at Bud's to begin with? They were the only retailer I could find that had them in stock. All is right with the world now though, found one on M4C for the same price + tons of factory-installed-extras (Heine sights, connector, plug, extractor, etc.) Originally Posted By DanTSX:
how is this "technical" discussion? ![]() Probably the wrong section, although I fail to see how a forum that has topics like "how to clean" and "poll: help me choose a handgun" and "how did I do on this trade?" is technical Either way, I don't make the rules so if the mods could move this to a 'feedback' section (if one exists) I'd appreciate it! |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:39:07 AM
I bought a Kahr K9 from them for my wife. Their site showed in stock but yet it took about 17 days to get it and tracking showed it coming out of TX? Their located in KY. My guess is they are drop shipping from distributors most of what they claim to have.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:29:06 AM
Originally Posted By Jrags:
I bought a Kahr K9 from them for my wife. Their site showed in stock but yet it took about 17 days to get it and tracking showed it coming out of TX? Their located in KY. My guess is they are drop shipping from distributors most of what they claim to have. They state on their website that some stuff is in stock at their KY location, while other stuff comes from warehouses. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 1:29:40 PM
Originally Posted By Spartan16:
Originally Posted By TUBBY:
There are 3 premises all businesses operate on, they can only do 2 of the 3. Fast, Cheap and Good. You wanted all 3. A good business will do all three, period. Primary Arms |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 2:33:56 PM
I have bought 3 guns from Bud's and have had zero problems.
Of course I actually had enough money to just pay for the gun outright at the time of ordering without putting it on layaway or having to make "deposits", complicating the process. Maybe they should have handled it better but when one voluntarily complicates what should be a simple transaction, the chances that something will get botched goes way up. Better to just save the money youself until you have the full amount then go back to make sure they have it in stock. If they don't then you're then free to find someone else that does without all the added headache. It's not like this was some limited edition once in a lifetime high dollar purchase that one would have to put a deposit on in order to not miss out. Was worried at first when I saw the thread because I like using Bud's, but I'm not concerned now that I see it was a situation where somebody was trying to do something out of the ordinary. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 2:42:18 PM
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Someone else pointed out in another thread that Bud's doesn't hold inventory for "layaway." Says so in their disclosures somewhere on the website. I haven't verified it, so I don't know for sure. In either case. Who the hell uses layaway for a gun? Save up your damn money, then look for the deals. You can offer cash, and the fewer transactions you have to make with ANY company, the less chances there are for something to get fucked up. a lot more places than one thinks... impactguns is one |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 2:50:05 PM
Buds doesn't really care to retain you, individually, as a customer. I buy from them often (until my local FFL's stop accepting xfer's from Bud's - but that's another story) and I am fully aware that their CS sucks. It's abysmal. But, their prices make up for it. That's why people continue to buy from them. If they had higher prices and their CS sucked still, people would go elsewhere, but since they have the lowest prices out there, people use them The 10% of transactions that sour the buyer - well, they move on, but others continue to replace those customers.
Furthermore, it's a business: if someone had the cash up-front to buy an item, why wouldn't they sell it to the person that can pay 100% now, instead of holding it for the person who can pay 33% now, and the remainder in 30 days? Unless you're buying it from a "guy you know" at a gun shop, it's kind of a no-brainer. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 3:09:07 PM
Originally Posted By sniper1target:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Someone else pointed out in another thread that Bud's doesn't hold inventory for "layaway." Says so in their disclosures somewhere on the website. I haven't verified it, so I don't know for sure. In either case. Who the hell uses layaway for a gun? Save up your damn money, then look for the deals. You can offer cash, and the fewer transactions you have to make with ANY company, the less chances there are for something to get fucked up. a lot more places than one thinks... impactguns is one I wasn't asking who offered it. Putting a gun on layaway reminds me of those squids that buy the latest and greatest $12,000 motorcycle, financed at the highest rate in the lending industry, and then complain because they have to spend $250 for a new rear tire. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 3:21:30 PM
Originally Posted By jtb33:
Buds doesn't really care to retain you, individually, as a customer. I buy from them often (until my local FFL's stop accepting xfer's from Bud's - but that's another story) and I am fully aware that their CS sucks. It's abysmal. But, their prices make up for it. That's why people continue to buy from them. If they had higher prices and their CS sucked still, people would go elsewhere, but since they have the lowest prices out there, people use them The 10% of transactions that sour the buyer - well, they move on, but others continue to replace those customers. Furthermore, it's a business: if someone had the cash up-front to buy an item, why wouldn't they sell it to the person that can pay 100% now, instead of holding it for the person who can pay 33% now, and the remainder in 30 days? Unless you're buying it from a "guy you know" at a gun shop, it's kind of a no-brainer. good more should do this also... give the markup to the local FFL not just some silly (small pass-through fee) |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 4:20:57 PM
Anyone who says they would not mind calling a business ahead of time and being told an item was in stock, paid money to secure said item, then paid off the item expecting shipment only to find there is NO item to get... is full of it.
OP you got hood-winked... a good business SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY PAYMENT(S) for an item NOT in stock UNLESS the customer is fully aware of that fact. WTF is with this "over sold" bull shit? That's sales talk for "we sold shit we did not have".... plain and simple. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 6:05:51 PM
[Last Edit: 6/28/2012 6:22:26 PM by whiplash10]
Originally Posted By jtb33:Furthermore, it's a business: if someone had the cash up-front to buy an item, why wouldn't they sell it to the person that can pay 100% now, instead of holding it for the person who can pay 33% now, and the remainder in 30 days? Unless you're buying it from a "guy you know" at a gun shop, it's kind of a no-brainer.
If they don't want to do it, why the fuck do they offer it? I didn't hack into their site and write the layaway policy. They wrote it and I abided by it. Yet I'm getting shit. Man, I love this site. Originally Posted By hhsmiley:
I have bought 3 guns from Bud's and have had zero problems. Of course I actually had enough money to just pay for the gun outright at the time of ordering without putting it on layaway or having to make "deposits", complicating the process. Maybe they should have handled it better but when one voluntarily complicates what should be a simple transaction, the chances that something will get botched goes way up. Better to just save the money youself until you have the full amount then go back to make sure they have it in stock. If they don't then you're then free to find someone else that does without all the added headache. It's not like this was some limited edition once in a lifetime high dollar purchase that one would have to put a deposit on in order to not miss out. Was worried at first when I saw the thread because I like using Bud's, but I'm not concerned now that I see it was a situation where somebody was trying to do something out of the ordinary. Keep it simple for the business in fear they don't trip over their dicks? Sounds like a confident consumer.... And thank you for the financial lesson, I'm fine though thanks for your concern. Just finished building a $5,000 rifle and the wife's OB visits have been adding up. So I wanted to hold the gun and control my cash flow for the moment. You can go straight to hell if you think I opened this thread to obtain financial advice. Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By sniper1target:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Someone else pointed out in another thread that Bud's doesn't hold inventory for "layaway." Says so in their disclosures somewhere on the website. I haven't verified it, so I don't know for sure. In either case. Who the hell uses layaway for a gun? Save up your damn money, then look for the deals. You can offer cash, and the fewer transactions you have to make with ANY company, the less chances there are for something to get fucked up. a lot more places than one thinks... impactguns is one I wasn't asking who offered it. Putting a gun on layaway reminds me of those squids that buy the latest and greatest $12,000 motorcycle, financed at the highest rate in the lending industry, and then complain because they have to spend $250 for a new rear tire. Yes, that's SO close to what we're talking about here (sarcasm, laid it on thick but just wanna be sure it came across your screen). Again, just wanted to minimize cash output. So I used layaway to hold a 'rare' item, then paid in full the next month. Again, not sure why I need to justify my financial decisions to you pros. Hope it makes you all feel better - just paid cash for the FDE Glock I got off the equipment exchange. Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt:
Anyone who says they would not mind calling a business ahead of time and being told an item was in stock, paid money to secure said item, then paid off the item expecting shipment only to find there is NO item to get... is full of it. OP you got hood-winked... a good business SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY PAYMENT(S) for an item NOT in stock UNLESS the customer is fully aware of that fact. WTF is with this "over sold" bull shit? That's sales talk for "we sold shit we did not have".... plain and simple. ^ THANK YOU. The pro v. con layaway argument aside, this was about them offering a service, my abiding by their policies and procedures, and being screwed at the end of it. If layaway is so difficult to operate successfully (for a company that ships firearms daily - which I would think a much more arduous task) they can go ahead and stop offering it. If its offered, my expectation is that if I hold up my end, they'll hold up theirs. End of story. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 6:39:20 PM
Originally Posted By whiplash10:
Originally Posted By jtb33:Furthermore, it's a business: if someone had the cash up-front to buy an item, why wouldn't they sell it to the person that can pay 100% now, instead of holding it for the person who can pay 33% now, and the remainder in 30 days? Unless you're buying it from a "guy you know" at a gun shop, it's kind of a no-brainer.
If they don't want to do it, why the fuck do they offer it? I didn't hack into their site and write the layaway policy. They wrote it and I abided by it. Yet I'm getting shit. Man, I love this site. I think it comes down to priority. Had you done that for a firearm that wasn't a hot seller; no problem. But when they can move inventory NOW rather than waiting 30 days if they don't have to, they'd rather move it now even if it pisses off one individual. Had you done that for a less popular item that wasn't going to be sold out, I'm sure it wouldn't have been an issue. Not defending it one way or the other, just trying to look at it from a businesses point of view. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 7:01:23 PM
Originally Posted By jtb33:
Originally Posted By whiplash10:
Originally Posted By jtb33:Furthermore, it's a business: if someone had the cash up-front to buy an item, why wouldn't they sell it to the person that can pay 100% now, instead of holding it for the person who can pay 33% now, and the remainder in 30 days? Unless you're buying it from a "guy you know" at a gun shop, it's kind of a no-brainer.
If they don't want to do it, why the fuck do they offer it? I didn't hack into their site and write the layaway policy. They wrote it and I abided by it. Yet I'm getting shit. Man, I love this site. I think it comes down to priority. Had you done that for a firearm that wasn't a hot seller; no problem. But when they can move inventory NOW rather than waiting 30 days if they don't have to, they'd rather move it now even if it pisses off one individual. Had you done that for a less popular item that wasn't going to be sold out, I'm sure it wouldn't have been an issue. Not defending it one way or the other, just trying to look at it from a businesses point of view. Sure I understand/get your point now. I've never done layaway but thought it a good idea in this instance to guarantee myself an item. Obviously the wrong thing to do! If I were Buds, I might put a disclaimer in the layaway terms about 'reserving the right to sell stock outright for first run/specialty items'' |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:55:34 PM
Never EVER had an issue with Bud's they are my go to dealer and everyone else fights for second place.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:42:43 PM
Originally Posted By TUBBY:
There are 3 premises all businesses operate on, they can only do 2 of the 3. Fast, Cheap and Good. You wanted all 3. Fail. It doesn't take a Harvard MBA to figure that this was bad business. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:50:54 PM
FYI Buds had a killer deal today on a LNIB blued Combat Commander for 699 and free shipping in the used section. I'd have snatched it up if I had not just got one somewhere else.
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Posted: 6/29/2012 7:44:34 PM
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By Jrags:
I bought a Kahr K9 from them for my wife. Their site showed in stock but yet it took about 17 days to get it and tracking showed it coming out of TX? Their located in KY. My guess is they are drop shipping from distributors most of what they claim to have. They state on their website that some stuff is in stock at their KY location, while other stuff comes from warehouses. "In Stock" to me means they have it in their store/premises. |
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Posted: 6/29/2012 8:21:41 PM
Originally Posted By Jrags:
Originally Posted By H53EXPERT:
Originally Posted By Jrags:
I bought a Kahr K9 from them for my wife. Their site showed in stock but yet it took about 17 days to get it and tracking showed it coming out of TX? Their located in KY. My guess is they are drop shipping from distributors most of what they claim to have. They state on their website that some stuff is in stock at their KY location, while other stuff comes from warehouses. "In Stock" to me means they have it in their store/premises. Look at several of their listings. Some say at the Lexington location, others don't. As long as a business has access to an item, it does not have to be in their presence in order for it to be "in stock." If they have something in their warehouse two blocks away, it is still in stock. If I look at the gallery of guns website, and a gun shows in stock and available for me to order, it is in stock. I don't care where it comes from when I order it. |
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Posted: 6/30/2012 10:48:20 AM
Never have a problem with buds,bought 3 pistols from buds my FFL receive it less than 1 week.
I even cancel my ordered once without restocking fee. Sorry for the op bad transaction! |
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