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Posted: 6/19/2012 12:54:30 PM
HK is the best. For all intents and purposes, you're least likely to get an HK lemon over any other combat pistol brand, IMO.
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Posted: 6/19/2012 1:01:33 PM
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 1:03:12 PM by Tod-13]
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
lame trigger goofy ergos they really are not all that expensive. real shooters spend more than the difference between brand X and HK in ammo in no time flat anyways. you should be fine 
I see someone didn't read the OP's question.  I did. The goofy mag release is widely known issue. Other than that, they are fine 
LOL As we programmers say: That's not a bug––that's a feature. 
ETA: To add some real content: I've noticed that people with small hands and no muscle memory for a button release tend to really like the HK/Walther lever since it is easier for them to operate without twisting the gun around. |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 1:48:20 PM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
lame trigger goofy ergos they really are not all that expensive. real shooters spend more than the difference between brand X and HK in ammo in no time flat anyways. you should be fine
I see someone didn't read the OP's question. I did. The goofy mag release is widely known issue. Other than that, they are fine
I see that "goofy mag release" as a feature. Honestly, I like it far better that the traditional buttons. For me, it's faster to manipulate.
My USPc is a fantastic pistol. I've passed on a lot of pistols I probably otherwise would have bought since getting mine. Most of my other handguns are pretty neglected these days, too. The gun just does it, for me. It feels like it belongs in my hand. |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 3:09:45 PM
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
lame trigger goofy ergos they really are not all that expensive. real shooters spend more than the difference between brand X and HK in ammo in no time flat anyways. you should be fine
I see someone didn't read the OP's question. I did. The goofy mag release is widely known issue. Other than that, they are fine
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Posted: 6/19/2012 3:30:57 PM
Both of mine have been 100%
And I'm not getting hit in the head by brass.... Though I hear that builds character & the ability to handle stress under fire |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 4:45:39 PM
Not really an issue, but everyone claims their USPs could shoot 50 million rounds without a cleaning,
But my USPc .40 starts having feeding/ejection problems if it goes more than a few range trips without cleaning. |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:07:17 PM
Originally Posted By Gooseboy: Not really an issue, but everyone claims their USPs could shoot 50 million rounds without a cleaning, But my USPc .40 starts having feeding/ejection problems if it goes more than a few range trips without cleaning. Not the USP, but the HK45. And it wasn't 50 million rounds, just 50,000. http://pistol-training.com/archives/4027 |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:13:00 PM
 The P7's & PSP's warm up after a box of ammo.
I also own H&K USP's and they have all been good to go with me. I especially like my H&K Tactical .45. Favorite feature? I like the option to carry locked & cocked. |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:28:41 PM
Originally Posted By Alembic:
A lot of HK vs. __________ topics and posts, has HK also had widely known issues like recent Glock extraction or M&P early-lock up issues? With all respect Alembic , you've been here since 2006 and you're asking this very basic question? HK handguns are a known quantity, over engineered, tough as hell, super accurate, easy to take down for cleaning and built to NATO specs. Given the monetary exchange rate between the Euro and the Dollar, they are a great deal, IMHO.
Here's a post written by a friend, G3 Kurz at HK Pro Forums: "Why HK pistols (and HK firearms in general) are more expensive than their competitors. 1. Most are designed, built and tested to NATO MIL specs (ACC-225), not commercial specs. NATO specs includes tests not conducted by many commercial makers such as drop tests, obstructed bore tests, extreme temps, ice, static sand, OTB, elevated/depressed, etc. 2. All (100%) of HK firearms are test fired and zeroed at the factory. In some companies only a % are tested. 3. HK materials (steel, barrel, etc.) are of the highest quality available and it shows in long-term or worst case scenarios. The superior barrel performance is a good example, though you may never see it in casual use. 4. HK pistols are not assembled by armorers’ students and then sold to customers. Some companies have been known to do so. 5. The average German worker is paid at a far higher rate than the equivalent US worker. Part of the reasons why includes the mandatory training they must receive and tests they must pass before receiving the position. The cost of living in Germany is also higher and HK contributes to a substantial “Pensioner Fund” for its retirees. Many also work at the same company for decades and not uncommon are 40 year employees!) and therefore rise high on the pay scale for their extensive hard-earned skill and experience. 6. HK barrels are made by a cold hammer forged process using a material that is unique to HK guns. Many barrels get special HK-unique steps added such as a tapered, poly, hybrid poly bore profile or induction hardening and all long-gun barrels are straightened. As an example, Stelite liners are not used in HK MG barrels – they are simply not needed and perform as well or better. 7. Compare the polymer molding and machining of say an HK P30 and a SIG P229. It is RARE to see machining marks on an HK. 8. HK rigorously tests their products to destruction in a "Firing Lab" manned with very senior test personnel before the design is frozen. This reduces the incidence of post-release issues. HK also takes and test its products at remote environmental test facilities to include desert (Yuma Proving Grounds, Saudi Arabia), arctic (Norway, Alaska), jungle (Brunei, Panama). That costs BIG bucks but pays off in hard core performance. 9. HK guns are imported for the most part (or the parts used to assemble them in NH) are imported. That results in mandatory FET, freight and exchange rate subsidies being added and passed on to the customer. HK as a German gun maker and importer they also have to comply with stringent export controls and that too costs money, which gets passed along in sale prices. 10. The cost of the production tooling (and materials) used by HK to produce, assemble and QA product is high as it includes QA tests and steps not conducted by many other makers. HK cut its teeth as a mass producer and still today builds the production tooling with that in mind – high volumes with a lot of automation. That tooling and gauging costs money as does the high hourly rates of the skilled workers and the additional time required to conduct it. 11. 10-20% of HK’s annual operating budget is spent on its extensive “Technique” departments to include Design, Prototype Fabrication and the Firing Lab. These are the highest paid, most skilled workers at HK and that costs money as well. They are best of breed and always have many more projects up in the air then you might think, or know of (Phased Plasma Rifle in the 80 watt Range). 12. HK places itself purposely in the “higher end” of the market. Like BMW and Mercedes HK knows it rates are higher and always will be compared to say Colt, S&W, Beretta, etc. So they go after superior performance and quality at a higher price point to fewer purchasers versus a cheaper, lower quality product to more buyers. 13. @ 15% of HK annual revenue is reinvested in new products, and infrastructure. While that may not seem like a lot it is and the state of the factory at in Oberndorf shows it. Look at the state of their competitors factories. There are few that compare to HK GmbH in the eyes of those who have been to many others. HK spends the revenue it makes off of both commercial and Government sales on new product so in a way the US commercial buyer who purchases an HK45 pistol helps fund the development of the MG4 LMG or XM25. 14. HK builds much of the weapon parts in house to maintain quality control. While cheaper subs are available one loses some control in doing so. HK’s goal has always been to minimize cost but maintain quality and to do so it keeps many items in house that in many others companies go to the higher bidder (magazines, small piece parts, etc.). HK also has some of the very best MIM and molding capabilities and can thus up the quality of their product by using their own, superior product. 15. Like HK, HK’s subs are of a higher quality for the same reasons and with the same end results. You buy the very best frame mold in Germany, it will cost you but the end product is superior. 16. Interchangeable parts – very few HK parts are not fully interchangeable without hand fitting. Even in a gun like the GMG, there are no parts that require hand fitting. This requires that each and every raw material and finished part, and each tool that fabricates the part, is dimensionally and exactly the same and maintained the same at all time by constant checks by skilled personnel with high dollar measuring devices and gauges. Again something you may never see but it insures when you replace a part it both fits and works w/o modifications. 17. HK has voluntarily developed, tested and included in their product unique features like USP firing mode modularity, MK23 barrel O-rings, special high performance finishes, unique G36/HK416 gas systems, drop-in LEM trigger systems, side-loading 40mm grenade launchers, GMG’s with extruded aluminum receivers and HK211’s with Ti receivers, unique cartridges for things like MP7 and P46, etc. HK also makes over 100 models of HK firearms currently and 1000’s of modular variants for users the world over speaking many languages, which costs money to build, inventory, document and record these countless production variations. There are a few other reasons which I will not mention here. Hope this helps. G3Kurz" |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 5:48:45 PM
Originally Posted By Coltman77:
[quote]Originally Posted By Alembic: Here's a post written by a friend, G3 Kurz at HK Pro Forums: "Why HK pistols (and HK firearms in general) are more expensive than their competitors. 13. @ 15% of HK annual revenue is reinvested in new products, and infrastructure. While that may not seem like a lot it is and the state of the factory at in Oberndorf shows it. Look at the state of their competitors factories. There are few that compare to HK GmbH in the eyes of those who have been to many others. HK spends the revenue it makes off of both commercial and Government sales on new product so in a way the US commercial buyer who purchases an HK45 pistol helps fund the development of the MG4 LMG or XM25. Now if only they would let me see the state of their factory in Oberndorf. As I understand it's LE/Mil only and no mostly photography 
IIRC There was a member here who went through a tour of the factory and took some pictures of the lobby and got to shoot whatever he wanted. Unfortunately the pictures were old and no longer linked. I'm going to be sobbing my brains out when I go to Oberndorf and only get to see the outside of the factory and the town firearms museum. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 12:56:23 AM
Originally Posted By Alembic:
A lot of HK vs. __________ topics and posts, has HK also had widely known issues like recent Glock extraction or M&P early-lock up issues? Hang around our H&K handgun section, not much ever happens there.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 2:53:57 AM
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Originally Posted By Alembic:
A lot of HK vs. __________ topics and posts, has HK also had widely known issues like recent Glock extraction or M&P early-lock up issues? Hang around our H&K handgun section, not much ever happens there.
Mostly just "OMG I GOT A SCRATCH ON MY BELOVED HK!!" |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 8:23:51 AM
Originally Posted By IIITheChadIII: Originally Posted By Rabon: Originally Posted By Alembic: A lot of HK vs. __________ topics and posts, has HK also had widely known issues like recent Glock extraction or M&P early-lock up issues? Hang around our H&K handgun section, not much ever happens there. Mostly just "OMG I GOT A SCRATCH ON MY BELOVED HK!!" Not reality.....but its fun to play make believe. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 8:43:44 AM
Originally Posted By IIITheChadIII:
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Originally Posted By Alembic:
A lot of HK vs. __________ topics and posts, has HK also had widely known issues like recent Glock extraction or M&P early-lock up issues? Hang around our H&K handgun section, not much ever happens there.
Mostly just "OMG I GOT A SCRATCH ON MY BELOVED HK!!" And the help me decide what to buy next thread... Seriously, there are the occasional malfunction threads, but they to be far less common than in the other pistol forums. I have P7M8, P2000SK 9mm, P2000SK .40, P30L 9mm and an HK45. I've put thousands of rounds through all of them and never had a snag of any kind, even when breaking in a a new pistol right out of the box. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 9:09:31 AM
Owned a Full size and a compact. The compact ended up looking like it had 1000 rounds of wear fired.. after 100 rounds. No problems to speak of though.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 1:08:04 PM
The only problem I have with my HK's is that it gets Boring after a while, shooting at the range...
Does not give me any FTF's or FTE's, no malfunction exercises, no failures and Boringly accurate.... |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 3:25:27 PM
No complaints here, love my P30L
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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:14:38 PM
They tend to breed...
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Posted: 6/24/2012 12:46:21 PM
I've had the slide on my P30 lock back prematurely because my thumb is resting on the slide stop lever. I like to use a thumbs pointing towards the target grip, but with the HK, I have to tuck my thumb in to prevent it from touching the long slide stop lever.
I've been tempted to shorten that lever or something. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 9:13:03 PM
Originally Posted By Garandboy:
Besides the price?  After you get over the price and get em home...you'll love em! |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 9:35:54 PM
7. Compare the polymer molding and machining of say an HK P30 and a SIG P229. It is RARE to see machining marks on an HK.
The machining on the inside of my USPc slide is very rough; the outside is perfect. Machining marks, tool chatter, etc. all over the inside. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 9:36:56 PM
Mine is far more accurate that I am able to shoot it.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 8:56:25 AM
[Last Edit: 6/25/2012 8:59:02 AM by Blanco_Diablo]
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
lame trigger goofy ergos they really are not all that expensive. real shooters spend more than the difference between brand X and HK in ammo in no time flat anyways. you should be fine
I see someone didn't read the OP's question. I did. The goofy mag release is widely known issue. Other than that, they are fine
The "goofy mag release" is one of the best parts about the HK pistols. Once you get used to releasing the magazine with your index or middle finger (I use my middle finger), it seems so much more natural than reaching around the grip with your thumb. I find myself going for the HK style mag release on any pistol I shoot automatically and have to remember to use my thumb on my BHP or Lugers. ETA: The only "issue" with HKs is that they multiply quite easily.  |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:02:56 AM
I have a few HK's, they are my go to handguns and my every day carry.
Having put through over ten thousand rounds down the pipe, I have yet to experience a failure or part breakage of any kind, not even a stove pipe. Yeah they are well built to say the least. |
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Posted: 6/26/2012 11:18:38 AM
The DA/SA trigger pull. The DA pull is very heavy, as in around 11 lbs pull heavy, and very long. I mean it just seems like you pull and pull on that sucker before she breaks. The bore axis is pretty flat and as a consequence the HK's tend to muzzle flip pretty bad compared to say a Glock. I don't personally have any issue with the mag release, which I actually like. The ergos on the new P30 are among the best in the industry.
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