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Posted: 4/30/2012 11:35:44 AM
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Posted: 4/30/2012 11:47:40 AM
Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: I've been reading about the Caracal, and have to say that I am serious considering buying one. It looks to have the lowest bore axis that I have seen since the HK P7. 18+1 capacity (a little more than my P7 Did you check out the Steyr Fourms? |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 5:06:03 PM
I'm interested in this pistol as well. If you haven't seen it yet, MAC did a decent review of one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnpprZgirKs&feature=plcp |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 12:38:37 AM
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 9:59:34 PM by aka_melvy]
Have one, the F model, for about a month now, about 400 rounds through it. Great trigger, similar to the PPQ and dead nuts on.
Ejects well, one brass streak on the slide, no FTF's, nada, nuthin. Great finish and ergos. Some question the seemingly loose slide to frame rail fit but I don't see any problems with it. Gun shoots and groups very well. Biggest question is future support and after market parts. About all it really needs is better sights. Mags seem to be available. The front post needs to be narrower for my liking to give a better sight picture and more quickly pick up target. You are probably aware that the rear sight is an integral part of the breach block and cannot be changed. I have not done a deep cleaning yet but it appears that the lower parts are easily removed buy a couple of push pins but the upper parts are accessible by removing a couple of roll pins holding the breach block in the slide. Actually the upper is similar to to a Sig as far as accessibility to the interal parts. Not quite as simple as a Glock but a great shooter out of the box. |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 9:08:38 AM
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 11:51:16 AM by frankiebagadonuts]
Thanks for the review. The rear sight is definitely going to hurt them, but at least it isn't the standard 3-dot set-up. I actually prefer the dot over dot, so I can live with not being able to change it for the time being. I've also read that the front sight is too wide for the rear notch. Can you widen the rear notch with a file to correct?
Rumor has it that they are going after a top shooter to use the Caracal (Edit: JJ Racaza is now shooting the Caracal in Production). If Caracal is looking to make a splash linto the competition shooting world, I would think that the aftermarket support would follow. We'll see. I was an early adopter of the HS2000 sight unseen, and it turned out to be a mistake (for me). Do I risk it again... |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 9:52:59 AM
Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: Thanks for the review. The rear sight is definitely going to hurt them, but at least it isn't the standard 3-dot set-up. I actually prefer the dot over dot, so I can live with not being able to change it for the time being. I've also read that the front sight is too wide for the rear notch. Can you widen the rear notch with a file to correct? Rumor has it that they are going after a top shooter to use the Caracal. If Caracal is looking to make a splash linto the competition shooting world, I would think that the aftermarket support would follow. We'll see. I was an early adopter of the HS2000 sight unseen, and it turned out to be a mistake (for me). Do I risk it again... There is a lot more money backing the Caracal than the HS2000 (XD) will have...ever. |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 4:54:00 PM
Definately money to back the Caracal product.
I heard about the shooting team they are putting together, comming out with a big name. I suppose the first question the shooters will have is: Hey guys, can we do something about these sights? Then we will have sights at our disposal. |
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Posted: 5/1/2012 6:55:13 PM
This thread made me buy one off gunbroker.
I'll put it through the 2000 round challenge when I get it. |
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:43:39 PM
Let us know how the Caracal is doing.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 3:53:45 PM
I have an F and a C. Have 50 rounds thru the F..no issues. I have put about 200 rounds thru the C..no issues as well. Great trigger, dot on dot sights take a little time to get used to, but the weapon is very accurate..surprisingly so. It's easy to clean, easier than a Glock. Ergonomics are pretty good, and mags are nicely made and available. Only complaint so far is lack of favorite holsters to fit them. We are looking at doing a few aftermarket items to support it. Worth the money.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 11:54:13 PM
Ok. Having shot some rounds through it, I can give my initial impressions.
The grip was odd feeling at first. Not feels like a 2x4 at a weird angle odd, but it is fat at the front and tapers down to be much more narrow at the back of it. I got used to it pretty quickly. I would say the texture of the grip is a little more aggressive than that on my Glock. Some pics of the grip: ![]() ![]() The trigger pull is very smooth. I've owned S&W M&Ps and currently own a Glock 19, and out of those three I would say this is the best trigger out of them. The reset isn't as positive as the Glock, but better than the M&P. The dingus, or safety, on the trigger of the Caracal also seems to be much less noticeable when firing as compared to the Glock. Also, I've found with my Glock 19, that the trigger guard would rub at the knuckle of my middle finger of my firing hand. I am happy to report that this doesn't happen with the Caracal. Pic of the trigger area: ![]() I've seen people say how the bore axis on it is very low and they weren't lying. It is very easy to shoot this thing quickly as you can get your grip real high up on the gun. Very little muzzle flip and you get back on the front sight fast. Here are a couple pics I took of me holding my Glock 19 on the left and the Caracal on the right, trying to show the difference in the heights. ![]() ![]() Another feature of the Caracal is the cocking indicator on the rear of the slide. It sits flush with the back plate when the striker is cocked and ready to fire. What I like about it is when pulling the trigger the indicator comes out of the slide as the striker is pulled rearward. I started out shooting Sigs and when holstering them I would rest my thumb on the hammer so if in the unlikely event that something got caught in the trigger while holstering you would immediately feel the hammer being pulled back, giving you the chance to stop before possibly having an AD. The Caracal gives you that same ability. Pic of the cocking indicator as the trigger is being pulled: ![]() The slide catch lever protrudes very noticeably from the rest of the gun and it is very easy to operate. I usually just use the slingshot method of putting the slide back into battery after a reload, but with the position and ease of use of the slide catch, I've taken to just using it. For some though, this will be a negative as it is easy to bump the lever when firing causing the slide to lock back with rounds still in the mag or the slide not locking back after an empty mag. Coming from shooting a Glock, you will have to train yourself to slightly modify your grip so as not to hit the lever when you don't intend to. I use the same grip as when I shot Sigs. Pics of the slide catch: ![]() ![]() The magazines that it uses are steel and the finish seems very similar to the one used on M&P mags. They use a metal tab that sticks out of the mag to engage the mag catch. Some have questioned the durability of such a setup, but I haven't put anywhere near the use on it to even address that. I've also read someone that said you will cut your finger while doing reloads. Now you could do that, I guess, if you keep your finger pressed against the mag as you insert it into the pistol. I haven't found that to be the case as I index my finger at the bullet tip, locate the mag at the mag well and my finger moves as I slam the mag home. Pic of the mag nub: ![]() There is a lot to like about the Caracal. If you want a Glock-like pistol without the negatives that come with a Glock (for me it was ergonmics), the Caracal is a good choice. Now, my original plan when buying the Caracal was to put 200 rounds through it and then clean it and start the 2000 round challenge. I was unable to do this because of the biggest gripe I have about MY pistol. It will sometimes eject brass straight back into my face. It did this pretty frequently in the first 200 rounds I put through it, so I decided to shoot it some more to see if it would break in and stop throwing the brass into my face. I'm at 650 rounds fired and although it does it less frequently now, it still does it. I've E-mailed Caracal USA and I didn't get a response back, so I called them today to see if I could get a RMA and see if they would do work under warranty. I got transferred to their gunsmith, who was apparently out because I got sent to voicemail, and I left him a message. Hopefully I get a return call sometime soon. I hope I can get the brass ejection issue worked out, as I really like the pistol and want to get on with doing the 2000 round challenge with it. I've already got the ammo I am going to use and everything. ![]() |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 1:03:53 AM
Have had my 2 Caracal's(C & F) for a couple of months, love them especially the C.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 8:51:00 AM
Thanks for the great review. How does the grip angle compare to the Glock? Glocks have never pointed naturally for me; I'm worried that the Caracal will be similar.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 9:19:34 AM
Just ordered an F from centerfire. I've been eying these guns for a while and for $400 shipped I couldn't pass it up... Range report will follow
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Posted: 5/10/2012 10:08:18 AM
[Last Edit: 5/10/2012 10:08:53 AM by twpayne75]
Very interested in this gun, but can't find one anywhere to fondle. Their website lacks some. It doesn't even show the C, which is what I'm interested in.
How is the width compared to a G19 or HK P2000? |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 10:33:37 AM
Originally Posted By twpayne75:
Very interested in this gun, but can't find one anywhere to fondle. Their website lacks some. It doesn't even show the C, which is what I'm interested in. How is the width compared to a G19 or HK P2000? www.caracal-usa.com Pretty much identical size of a Glock 19, with a slightly better grip and slightly shorter slide. |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 2:41:24 PM
Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Just ordered an F from centerfire. I've been eying these guns for a while and for $400 shipped I couldn't pass it up... Range report will follow Woh! $399. It was $550 last time I checked. That certainly makes a difference... |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 2:50:51 PM
Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Just ordered an F from centerfire. I've been eying these guns for a while and for $400 shipped I couldn't pass it up... Range report will follow Woh! $399. It was $550 last time I checked. That certainly makes a difference... The new imports have arrived so they must be blowing out the guns with the old importers markings. I paid $399 for each of mine a few months back but that was really good price at the time. |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 4:53:57 PM
Stevemc, Suprised to hear about brass being thrown into the face. Mine
seems to shoot them out to the 4 oclock range every time, one brass streak on the slide port. None of my other pistols are this consistent. |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 8:12:40 PM
[Last Edit: 5/10/2012 8:13:05 PM by twpayne75]
I just found out the place they are imported to in the U.S. is about 45 minutes from my house. Unfortunately there is no store front or place to purchase there. But I did find out on a local gun board that there is a police officer that sells at the local gun shows that has them at every show for $419. The next show is June 9-10. I don't know if I will pick up the C model or wait for the SC model they have listed on their website that is supposed to be out in the Fall.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 8:16:19 PM
Looking at the pictures of the SC on their website now. Whats the deal with the rear sight channel?
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Posted: 5/10/2012 9:02:38 PM
The slide serrations on the SC look awesome. Giddie up!
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Posted: 5/10/2012 9:05:22 PM
[Last Edit: 5/10/2012 9:26:42 PM by twpayne75]
Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
The slide serrations on the SC look awesome. Giddie up! I do like the forward serrations. But did you notice the rear sight? Edit: just saw the SCs reported thickness is 0.9 inch with a 4.4 inch height and 13+1 capacity. Looks like I will be waiting for it to come out. |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 9:55:17 PM
Originally Posted By twpayne75:
Looking at the pictures of the SC on their website now. Whats the deal with the rear sight channel? ![]() It's the same rear sight that they use on the Quick Sight versions of the gun. Can't wait for the SC, but it will probably be this time next year before we see them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 8:35:22 AM
I finally saw the elusive Caracal in the wild yesterday (at a gun show). I love it. My biggest concern was that the grip angle would be wrong for me since the pistol shares a lineage with Glocks and Steyr, but I was happy to find that the pistol pointed naturally for me. The grip felt good in my hand which is another plus since their isn't changeable backstraps. The last area of concern was the sights since the rear isn't changeable. I really like the Heinie Straight 8 sights, so I figured that I would like the ones on the Caracal. They are OK; I can live with them. I think that the rear dot is too large, the sights are too low, and the rear notch is too narrow. I can always widen the notch with a file and posibly fill in the dot with paint if it proves to be a problem. Definitely not a deal breaker though. Overall, I was very impressed with the pistol. I didn't have the cash to swing the deal yesterday, but there is another show in a few weeks that the same vendor will be at. I'll be picking one up then.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 9:09:35 AM
I think it looks better than the S&W M&P
I`ll wait another year and see how they are doing. |
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