Tag for more info. I am also interested in one of the kel tec 9s. which is better?

Thanks Stoney ,
I dry fired one and I expected the trigger pull to be stiff , but what surprised me is it did not break until the trigger was almost all the way back to the frame ???

Is yours the same ?

The trigger is horrible, but it is a better micro-9 than the PF-9 IMO. The P11 is ugly and crude, but it holds 13 rounds and is only marginally bigger than a PF-9. The trigger mechanism is also much simpler, so there is less that can go wrong. Another advantage is that it takes S&W 59 mags, so you can have even more rounds available.

If you're willing to do a little gunsmithing, it is possible to make the trigger significantly less horrible (it will never be good, however).

Smith 59 mags ??

Really ? That is a big bonus

I just cannot see spending so much on a short range BUG


I missed a buy on one for $225 in box with extra mag

I have a P11. 100% reliable after polishing the slide, rails and feed ramp. I was somewhat accustom to pulling thru the long trigger from shooting revolvers for years. Not that bad once you find where the trigger brake is. Easy to put 10 shots on a 9" pie plate at 15-yards. Pocket carries well enough. My EDC is a G36.

I have both the PF-9 and the P-11. They are both great for their intended purpose, but I do prefer the PF-9. It is much lighter and slimmer, which makes a difference for IWB carry. The difference in capacity is a non-issue for me, as I do not intend to go to war with either, that's not what they're for. The P-11 does feel much nicer in the hand, but the trigger is so much worse than the PF. Neither is comfortable to shoot. The PF-9's skinny grip can cause blisters, but with the P-11 the bottom of my trigger finger always seems to get pinched between the trigger and the guard, due to the long pull. It's really a 6-of-one/ half-dozen-of-the-other situation. I carry all-day-every-day and only get to the range about once a month, which is why I default to the PF.

I bought the P-11 used, and the slide had some rust issues with light pitting, so I spent a weekend sanding and polishing, then finished with some Oxpho-blue:





Here's a pic of the PF-9 next to a XD45 compact and a S&W .38. The chrome slide is another reason it's my primary carry. Three sweaty summers in Cen FL (I work outside) and no trace of rust.

I used to own a P11 and mine was totally reliable but had a horribly long trigger pull so I never shot it well. Now I have a PF9 and the trigger on it is miles better than the P11. It is also lighter and easier to carry concealed. Granted the round count is down but that is easily corrected with a spare mag in the opposite pocket. I know some folks have had bad luck with their PF9 reliability wise but mine has been great. Only two failure to feeds in the first 100 rounds and perfect since then. Mine is also pretty accurate for a small gun.


I think 3 1/2 inches offhand at 7 yards is plenty good accuracy. My wife's groups run just over 5" at same distance and she also really likes the PF9

I love my P11. I shoot cast through it exclusively, it's been 100% reliable. I bought it new when they first came out. It carries like a dream with the clip. It's accurate too.

I carried a P11 for about ten years. I now carry the PF-9 and you echoed my impressions of the two.

I have read the steel guide rod will egg out the guide rod hole, is this true?

That long "horrible" trigger pull is the safety. It keeps idiots from shooting themselves and the company from being sued.

That being said, I have carried a p11 for the last 5 years. The trigger is long but smooth. 100% reliable up to this point
makes it my EDC.

I bought a Glock 19 to replace it, but the size keeps me going back to the p11.

I have a P11, and it's not a bad little 9mm, especially for a CCW.
Most of the reviews I read said that it was accurate, but not very fun to shoot.
I'm new to handguns, but it was more fun to shoot than my S&W Airweight, and way more accurate.
The slide was a little stiff and I'm left handed, which is why I bought a Kimber, but a couple of my friends
who are knowledgeable about guns and collect guns, want to buy it as a CCW.
I would feel a lot more comfortable at 25 feet with my Kel-tec over the Airweight, that's for sure.
At 25-feet with my Airweight I would lose to a can of bear spray.

The P11 is still the smallest and lightest doublestack 9mm on the market. If only it had a better trigger (and maybe were less ugly), I think it would easily become one of the best choices for a CCW.