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rborgers Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2003  TN, USA Posts: 159 Feedback: 100% (31)

Posted: 3/14/2011 7:31:37 AM THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I picked up a Masterpiece Arms 380 Protector from Bud’s Gun Shop last week. I couldn’t believe the quality for a $260.00 gun. The fit and finish are very good, and I was excited about getting some rounds through it. Saturday I took it to the range an put 60 rounds through it. I had planned on putting 100 rounds through it but had to quit at 60 rounds, yes I am a wimp. The gun functioned perfect eating some Blazer FMJ, and some Remington JHP, but my hand felt like it had been ran over by a 18 wheeler when I got through shooting it. The Protector is as small as my Seecamp 32 and cost a lot less. It is accurate for a gun with no real sights on it. The trigger pull is smooth but very long. Masterpiece Arms has a upgrade kit with a redesigned trigger and mag extension that are supposed to help with the recoil.

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JIP Team Member Team Member Joined: Sep 2008  PA, USA Posts: 5555 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/14/2011 8:04:05 AM Your in pain from shooting a .380 ??? You probably want to stay away from a Mosin.
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1IV Been there got the tshirt, and a tattoo.... Team Member Joined: Feb 2005  TX, USA Posts: 8237 Feedback: 100% (185) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/14/2011 8:11:25 AM Hhahahaha yes. I get it. I feel your pain. Small semi guns are no pleasure to shoot. They have no mass to absorb recoil. So the designers use grip angle, and webbing of the handle curve to focus recoil energies.... Bersa, walther, makarov, p64, etc all pound on you
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StayFrosty Member Joined: Jun 2009  OH, USA Posts: 29 Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/14/2011 10:38:41 AM Ya, same goes for the lil Kel Tec .380s. I probably put about 60 thru mine before I put it back in the box and never touched it again. I felt like I had my hand clamped in a vise for the next two days. I've shot .454 Casulls and .44 mags thats don't hurt my hand nearly as much.. haha crazy right? No more pocket .380s for me!
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Castillo 21B Team Member Joined: May 2006  NY, USA Posts: 4601 Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/17/2011 9:48:21 AM pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes
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1IV Been there got the tshirt, and a tattoo.... Team Member Joined: Feb 2005  TX, USA Posts: 8261 Feedback: 100% (185) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/17/2011 9:56:02 AM Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes Tell you what: go buy a pole makarov in 9x18 and put 100 rounds thru it in an hour. Then get back to me on how it felt. Or a versatile Bersa in .380
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Posted: 3/17/2011 10:42:17 AM Originally Posted By StayFrosty: Ya, same goes for the lil Kel Tec .380s. I probably put about 60 thru mine before I put it back in the box and never touched it again. I felt like I had my hand clamped in a vise for the next two days. I've shot .454 Casulls and .44 mags thats don't hurt my hand nearly as much.. haha crazy right? No more pocket .380s for me! I shot 3 rounds of trap through a crappy and very light 20 gauge single barrel shotgun that i picked up for a song to use while dog training. Worst bruising ever from using a shotgun. 25-24-24 FWIW I think that's analagous. Oh, my dad has a lightweight mountain .270 that I don't care to ever shoot again. I've shot .338 magnums with less ouch to bang. Yes that's ouch to bang. Put it on a graph. Lightweight guns are the suck for recoil.

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Hey-Mikey Member Joined: Jan 2009  NC, USA Posts: 1406 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/18/2011 5:49:07 AM Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes try a seecamp 380, say 50 rds. then get back to us. These are NOT range guns, or plinkers. The saying goes "meant to be carried a lot, shot a little" for a reason.
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Nakanokalronin Member Joined: Mar 2006  USA Posts: 4254 Feedback: 100% (40) Link To This Post	Posted: 3/19/2011 11:21:45 AM [Last Edit: 3/19/2011 11:22:19 AM by Nakanokalronin] I've owned a Makarov, PA-63, Bersa Thunder .380, P3AT and currently a P238. The worst was the P3AT because the lack of grip, the best being the P238 which I could shoot all day. None of them gave me any fatigue though or hurt my hand.
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rborgers Member Team Member Joined: Apr 2003  TN, USA Posts: 162 Feedback: 100% (31) Link To This Post

Posted: 3/23/2011 3:39:35 PM Shooting the MPA Protector 380 feels just like shooting a Seecamp 380, and it is just as small for about a forth the price. I was really surprised at the overall quality considering the price, and after 60 rounds no real signs of wear to the frame or slide. So far it has been very reliable, and more accurate than I was expecting. I just ordered the upgrade kit that has magazine extension, and a new trigger to make it a little less painful to shoot.

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Posted: 3/24/2011 12:01:22 AM [Last Edit: 3/24/2011 12:11:39 AM by StealthCRF] Originally Posted By 1IV: Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes Tell you what: go buy a pole makarov in 9x18 and put 100 rounds thru it in an hour. Then get back to me on how it felt. Or a versatile Bersa in .380 I've never shot the mak, but i have put 350 hot loads through a p3at in one session and a couple hundred through a bersa and I wasn't phased. I will admit that everyone else that shot them hated them and I have medium sized hands in front of tree trunk forearms (rapid fire 40 rounds of .480 ruger in a couple minutes did hurt though ) eta: it wasn't in 1 straight shoot though, about half before lunch and half in the afternoon.

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bear7 Member Joined: Jan 2009  MN, USA Posts: 93 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 4/6/2011 10:54:44 PM I had a pa 63 9 x18 sold it for a small light gun it no fun to shoot. I have a cz 82 in same caliber but heavier gun. I got some Wolf springs but have not tried them yet in the cz 82. I would think other gun would have some spring inprovments that could be made.
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Posted: 4/25/2011 6:31:08 PM [Last Edit: 4/25/2011 6:47:54 PM by Hey-Mikey] Originally Posted By Hey-Mikey: Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes try a seecamp 380, say 50 rds. then get back to us. These are NOT range guns, or plinkers. The saying goes "meant to be carried a lot, shot a little" for a reason. No joke, I can shoot a 45 all day long. But 2 mags through my seecamp and back in the pocket it goes. btw: wish I'd seen these before I bought my LWS380, might have gone that route instead.

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Posted: 5/12/2011 1:35:18 PM Originally Posted By 1IV: Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes Tell you what: go buy a pole makarov in 9x18 and put 100 rounds thru it in an hour. Then get back to me on how it felt. Or a versatile Bersa in .380 There is a reason the P-64 is called "The Polish Pounder", and it does not weigh a pound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-64_(pistol)

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gee223 Member Joined: Dec 2007  IN, USA Posts: 3515 Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post	Posted: 5/15/2011 4:38:04 PM My LCP doesn't bother me much, but I tend to keep a death grip on it. If your hand gets loose it gets quite painful, ESPECIALLY with +Ps.
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rip2k3 Member Joined: Mar 2007  FL, USA Posts: 719 Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post	Posted: 5/19/2011 9:32:46 PM [Last Edit: 5/19/2011 9:33:32 PM by rip2k3] Here you go wimps. Try this one on for size. LINK
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P35FAN Member Joined: Feb 2004  TX, USA Posts: 2196 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 5/30/2011 12:31:29 AM I feel your pain. The most painful gun I shoot is a S&W Chiefs Special. That little 38 pounds the web of my hand harder then my 357 does.
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FluffyTheCat Member Joined: Feb 2010  AB, CAN Posts: 1062 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 6/11/2011 1:01:21 AM Once I fired a magazine full of ammo through my friend's AMT Backup. It was extemely painful. It felt like my hand had been hammered.
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Posted: 6/30/2011 12:32:11 PM Originally Posted By Hey-Mikey: Originally Posted By Hey-Mikey: Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes try a seecamp 380, say 50 rds. then get back to us. These are NOT range guns, or plinkers. The saying goes "meant to be carried a lot, shot a little" for a reason. No joke, I can shoot a 45 all day long. But 2 mags through my seecamp and back in the pocket it goes. btw: wish I'd seen these before I bought my LWS380, might have gone that route instead. Ha, me too. I've put over 600 rounds through my Glock 21 in a day of training with no problems or pain whatsoever. When I train with my LCP I shoot 100 rounds. Probably shouldn't shoot it that much, because the web of my hand is severely fatigued after 50 to 75 rounds. Unlike the guy above, I have large hands backed up by moderately thin forearms. D'oh!

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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:49:24 AM Originally Posted By KCMojo: Originally Posted By 1IV: Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes Tell you what: go buy a pole makarov in 9x18 and put 100 rounds thru it in an hour. Then get back to me on how it felt. Or a versatile Bersa in .380 There is a reason the P-64 is called "The Polish Pounder", and it does not weigh a pound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-64_(pistol) I decided not to get a P-64 after selling off my PA-63. I bought it as a plinker, but it was NOT fun to shoot. My Makarov on the other hand is very enjoyable. Aftermarket rubber grips made the difference on it. It's one of my favorite pistols.

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mcculver5 Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2004  CO, USA Posts: 7294 Feedback: 100% (9) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/8/2011 1:55:39 PM Originally Posted By rip2k3: Here you go wimps. Try this one on for size. LINK I would shoot that all day. Its a full sized auto.
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Matthew_Q Certavi et vici Team Member Joined: Sep 2001  TX, USA Posts: 25942 Feedback: 100% (7) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/9/2011 6:06:55 AM If it's a fixed barrel (blowback) .380, then, yeah... I had a PPK/s that would annoy me after about 100 rounds. Nicest trigger ever, accurate as hell... I SO should not have sold/traded that one. I also had a Colt Mustang .380, and shooting that one was a pussycat. It actually used a locked breech mechanism instead of blowback.
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Posted: 8/10/2011 10:43:28 AM Originally Posted By 1IV: Originally Posted By Castillo: pocket 380s are putting you guys out of commission? Yikes Tell you what: go buy a pole makarov in 9x18 and put 100 rounds thru it in an hour. Then get back to me on how it felt. Or a versatile Bersa in .380 What about my 12 oz 340PD 357 magnum Jframe? 100 rounds of 125 grn and 158 grn 357 was FUN! Hows THAT for painful?

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nf9648 Frustrated Cargo Team Member Joined: Jul 2004  TX, USA Posts: 8438 Feedback: 100% (23) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/24/2011 7:47:48 AM I bought a Sig 232 for my wife a few years ago and had a similar experience. Everyone including her disliked the pistol, and I had to sell it for something else because she always took my 1911 at the range and stuck me with the .380. With the Hogue grips installed I couldve beat James Bond's ass with that pistol, really was a nice shooter.
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Action45 Member Joined: Oct 2006  FL, USA Posts: 410 Feedback: 100% (60) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/24/2011 7:45:41 PM [Last Edit: 8/24/2011 7:46:32 PM by Action45] Another proud Seecamp 380 owner here. It's a work of art, but I'm dying after about 50 rounds.
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Posted: 8/28/2011 8:56:40 PM [Last Edit: 8/28/2011 9:01:11 PM by DakotaFAL] People equate the .380 with light recoil, but that ignores both the lighter weight of the pistols normally chambered for it as well as the reduced area of the grip and back strap. In truth, stout .380 loads in a small/light pistol are not for the feint of heart. I can shoot a few hundred rounds of 230 grain .45 Auto in a 3" aluminum framed pistol and not notice a thing. But 50 rounds of 100 grain .380 loads mimicking my 102 gr SD load in a PPK/S gets my attention. Not exactly painful, but I feel it and know I've been shooting. In general, a really firm grip will make it more manageable and more pleasant to shoot. –––––– In some respects small .357 revolvers are more pleasant to shoot. In general, the grip on a revolver is designed to allow the gun to roll upward in recoil, spreading out the recoil. In contrast, many semi- auto pistols recoil straight back into the web of the hand.

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