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Posted: 5/25/2012 10:59:19 PM
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Posted: 5/26/2012 8:39:05 AM
[Last Edit: 5/26/2012 8:39:21 AM by MCBallpeen]
As far as I know, the slide on the CW9 is not a MIM part. Granted it is not as well finished as the PM, but you can polish it up if you want to pimp it out. The slide stop is MIMed, however they are both the same price at the Kahr website.
In answer to your original query, yes the PM slide will fit. |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 4:39:23 PM
[Last Edit: 5/26/2012 10:17:16 PM by VrodRay]
Yes, I have built a P9 using a CW9 frame and a P9 slide and barrel. Everything is identical between the models other then the additional machining of the slide and the 2 piece slide lock on the P9.
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Posted: 5/26/2012 7:10:12 PM
Originally Posted By MCBallpeen:
As far as I know, the slide on the CW9 is not a MIM part. Granted it is not as well finished as the PM, but you can polish it up if you want to pimp it out. The slide stop is MIMed, however they are both the same price at the Kahr website. In answer to your original query, yes the PM slide will fit. The only MIM part on the CW series is the slide stop lever....not the pin, only the lever. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 1:20:56 PM
The Metal Injection Molding (MIM) process can not produce a part as large as a slide. It can only be used for smaller parts. It is being used more and more extensively for smaller gun parts, just as the lost wax process (investment casting) became more and more prevalent thirty years ago, pioneered by Ruger. Most of the working parts on current S&W revolvers are MIM parts. Appropriately used, there really isn't anything wrong with MIM parts. They aren't quite as tough as machined forgings, but don't really give up anything to investment cast parts. They can save metal and weight, as they can attain shapes that would be impossible to make by other methods. To get internals that are machined forgings these days you have to pay a lot more, and I'm not sure it's worth it. Maybe for a very high wear part, like a trigger/sear combination, it might be worth the bucks. But the triggers and sears on the S&W revolvers are MIM, and I have not heard of them failing prematurely as compared to the older guns. The biggest downside to MIM parts that I know of is that they are a form of stainless steel, and will not take traditional hot salt blueing. So if they are not to be left bright, they have to have some kind of coating as a finish.
I have the slide lock from my Kahr CW9 in my hand. It appears to be one piece, MIM in its entirety. I believe this because I can see no seam or evidence of joining, the finish is totally uniform, and there is a tiny imperfection in the very end of the pin indicating MIM. There is no visible wear on the pin after several hundred rounds. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 1:55:21 PM
Originally Posted By dhgeyer:
I have the slide lock from my Kahr CW9 in my hand. It appears to be one piece, MIM in its entirety. I believe this because I can see no seam or evidence of joining, the finish is totally uniform, and there is a tiny imperfection in the very end of the pin indicating MIM. There is no visible wear on the pin after several hundred rounds. Nope. Only the slide stop lever, not the slide stop pin is MIM on a CW9. Look at the Kahr website. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:36:25 PM
[Last Edit: 8/22/2012 1:38:15 AM by dhgeyer]
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:46:27 PM
[Last Edit: 7/16/2012 4:47:30 PM by DogtownTom]
Originally Posted By dhgeyer:
Originally Posted By DogtownTom:
Originally Posted By dhgeyer:
I have the slide lock from my Kahr CW9 in my hand. It appears to be one piece, MIM in its entirety. I believe this because I can see no seam or evidence of joining, the finish is totally uniform, and there is a tiny imperfection in the very end of the pin indicating MIM. There is no visible wear on the pin after several hundred rounds. Nope. Only the slide stop lever, not the slide stop pin is MIM on a CW9. Look at the Kahr website. OK, I looked at their website. Here is the picture I saw. Clearly a two piece slidestop, with the pin quite possibly not MIM. http://www.gallery1700.net/linkto/slidestoppartlyMIM.jpg Here is a picture of my gun, close up on the slidestop. Not at all the same as what the webside shows. Some of the difference is my dehorning, but the fact that it's one piece is not. http://www.gallery1700.net/linkto/slidestopMIM.jpg The website is wrong. You must be right. Kahr just doesn't know they make the only MIM slide stop pin in the industry.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:58:06 PM
Look at the picture of the P9 on the Kahr website. It has a 2 piece slidestop. The picture of the CW9 does not. Look at the pictures of the slidestops under the parts. Different part number, same picture, same price. I'm guessing that if you order a replacement you get a two piece, but that's not what comes on the CW9 new. I just tried to call them, but they're closed. I'll call them in the morning. I know I'm right. I will prove it.
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:18:32 PM
OK, I just got off the phone with Kahr tech support.
The slide stops on the P series guns are made up of two pieces, pressed together. Neither is MIM. Both pieces are machined. The slide stop on the CW series guns are one solid piece MIM parts. They are not comprised of two pieces pressed together. So, yes, the pin is MIM. If one orders a replacement slide stop for a CW series, one will get a replacement solid MIM part, like the original. The picture on the website is indeed incorrect. The slide stops are not officially interchangeable. By that I mean that the tech I spoke to told me that it is not recommended. He didn't flat out say that it wouldn't work. He never tried it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:00:04 PM
Originally Posted By dhgeyer:
OK, I just got off the phone with Kahr tech support. The slide stops on the P series guns are made up of two pieces, pressed together. Neither is MIM. Both pieces are machined. The slide stop on the CW series guns are one solid piece MIM parts. They are not comprised of two pieces pressed together. So, yes, the pin is MIM. If one orders a replacement slide stop for a CW series, one will get a replacement solid MIM part, like the original. The picture on the website is indeed incorrect. The slide stops are not officially interchangeable. By that I mean that the tech I spoke to told me that it is not recommended. He didn't flat out say that it wouldn't work. He never tried it. You need to call back and speak with a more experienced tech to get the complete story. (When I pressed the CSR on particulars that he couldn't answer he transferred me to the Lead Tech) His information: While recent CW9's MAY have a one piece slide stop lever and pin.......a CW9 made prior to March 2012 will likely have the two piece (just like the picture on the Kahr website). Two piece slide stop assemblies will always have a milled pin. In short: CW9's with two piece slide stop assembly.........milled, not MIM slide stop pin. CW9's with one piece assembly are MIM Slide stops ARE interchangeable and always have been. |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:52:50 PM
[Last Edit: 7/17/2012 2:55:16 PM by dhgeyer]
No. I was right. I was only arguing with you because you were telling me that I didn't know what I was looking at when I had it in my hand. I've been at this a long time. I know a one piece part when I see one, thank you very much. My gun has a one piece MIM slidestop. Now you know that this is true, and you have to admit it. My gun is recent manufacture. What they may have made in the past I wouldn't and didn't pretend to know.
At any rate, anyone buying a CW series from now on will probably get a one piece MIM slidestop. So the guy I talked to really wasn't wrong. EDIT: I'm not going to argue about this anymore. It's just getting silly, and I doubt that we're contributing anything to anyone's useful knowledge. |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 5:39:04 PM
[Last Edit: 7/18/2012 8:41:38 AM by DK-Prof]
Originally Posted By dhgeyer:
No. I was right. I was only arguing with you because you were telling me that I didn't know what I was looking at when I had it in my hand. I've been at this a long time. I know a one piece part when I see one, thank you very much. My gun has a one piece MIM slidestop. Now you know that this is true, and you have to admit it. My gun is recent manufacture. What they may have made in the past I wouldn't and didn't pretend to know. At any rate, anyone buying a CW series from now on will probably get a one piece MIM slidestop. So the guy I talked to really wasn't wrong. EDIT: I'm not going to argue about this anymore. It's just getting silly, and I doubt that we're contributing anything to anyone's useful knowledge. <please remember this is a tech forum> As I posted above, Kahr only RECENTLY began using one piece MIM slide stop assemblies. Prospective buyers should not believe new Kahr CW9's will all come with a MIM slide stop assembly.......it will take time to deplete distributor inventory. Further, 99% of CW9's in existence have the two piece MIM lever/milled pin. |
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Posted: 7/19/2012 9:06:32 PM
I bought my CW9 used three years ago, and it came with a MIMed slide stop.
With as much material as I've removed from it, I doubt it would work otherwise. |
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