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Posted: 4/28/2012 7:44:46 PM
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Well, if my experience accurately represents the average the chances are 1 in 3. My two steel frame 9mms (K9 Elite and E9) have been great from day one. My PM9 had some issues. The issues were fixed by Kahr on the first trip, though I did have to pay shipping. I still like the Kahrs but your chances of having an issue are higher than with some other brands. More likely to have issues than Glock, S&W or HK, less likely than a KelTec or Taurus. There haven't been many competitors in the size/caliber of the Kahrs and some of the others also have some issues, so yeah a Glock might be a safer bet but if its too big for what you need it doesn't help. Mine do shoot very well (accurately), especially considering the size, and the triggers are pretty good.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. I bought a NIB Gen 3 19 last Nov and it has been nothing but trouble. It was plagued by the well documented erratic ejection problem and suffered a few stovepipes as a result. Took it to Glock, had the new 30274 ejector installed, and the brass to the face issue is resolved but brass barely clears the ejection port.

Last weekend. I bought a new Kahr CM9. I ran 250 round though it yesterday. It ran flawlessly. Most everyone over at kahrtalk is happy with their guns, with the exception of some CW45 owners. Compare that to glocktalk or the glock forum here, where there are alot of folks who can't get their gun to run right.

Based on my experience, I'd not hesitate to buy a Kahr. When folks do have problems with a Kahr, the majority of the time it is mag related and the issues are easily resolved.
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Posted: 4/28/2012 10:29:43 PM
I ran my CM9 with flawless results today. Zero issues, and while its not quite as nice as my PM9, its plenty nice to get carried day to day.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 12:56:24 AM
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Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Well, if my experience accurately represents the average the chances are 1 in 3. My two steel frame 9mms (K9 Elite and E9) have been great from day one. My PM9 had some issues. The issues were fixed by Kahr on the first trip, though I did have to pay shipping. I still like the Kahrs but your chances of having an issue are higher than with some other brands. More likely to have issues than Glock, S&W or HK, less likely than a KelTec or Taurus. There haven't been many competitors in the size/caliber of the Kahrs and some of the others also have some issues, so yeah a Glock might be a safer bet but if its too big for what you need it doesn't help. Mine do shoot very well (accurately), especially considering the size, and the triggers are pretty good.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. I bought a NIB Gen 3 19 last Nov and it has been nothing but trouble. It was plagued by the well documented erratic ejection problem and suffered a few stovepipes as a result. Took it to Glock, had the new 30274 ejector installed, and the brass to the face issue is resolved but brass barely clears the ejection port.

Last weekend. I bought a new Kahr CM9. I ran 250 round though it yesterday. It ran flawlessly. Most everyone over at kahrtalk is happy with their guns, with the exception of some CW45 owners. Compare that to glocktalk or the glock forum here, where there are alot of folks who can't get their gun to run right.

Based on my experience, I'd not hesitate to buy a Kahr. When folks do have problems with a Kahr, the majority of the time it is mag related and the issues are easily resolved.


While you are entitled to your opinion, I'll stick by my statement. I have personally owned 15 Glocks and never had the slightest issue while one of my 3 Kahrs had to go back for significant problems. It works now but I've never seen an issue with a Glock that would require a return trip to the factory. When I worked at a gun store we sent one Glock back and that was only because the owner insisted on it, we had to send several Kahrs back. I still like/own/trust Kahrs overall but to suggest they are more likely to be reliable than a Glock is borderline delusional. Even with the recent issues with ejectors and recoil springs on certain Glocks I would still be much more confident in a new Glock than a new Kahr.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:02:31 AM
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Originally Posted By molar:
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
Well, if my experience accurately represents the average the chances are 1 in 3. My two steel frame 9mms (K9 Elite and E9) have been great from day one. My PM9 had some issues. The issues were fixed by Kahr on the first trip, though I did have to pay shipping. I still like the Kahrs but your chances of having an issue are higher than with some other brands. More likely to have issues than Glock, S&W or HK, less likely than a KelTec or Taurus. There haven't been many competitors in the size/caliber of the Kahrs and some of the others also have some issues, so yeah a Glock might be a safer bet but if its too big for what you need it doesn't help. Mine do shoot very well (accurately), especially considering the size, and the triggers are pretty good.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. I bought a NIB Gen 3 19 last Nov and it has been nothing but trouble. It was plagued by the well documented erratic ejection problem and suffered a few stovepipes as a result. Took it to Glock, had the new 30274 ejector installed, and the brass to the face issue is resolved but brass barely clears the ejection port.

Last weekend. I bought a new Kahr CM9. I ran 250 round though it yesterday. It ran flawlessly. Most everyone over at kahrtalk is happy with their guns, with the exception of some CW45 owners. Compare that to glocktalk or the glock forum here, where there are alot of folks who can't get their gun to run right.

Based on my experience, I'd not hesitate to buy a Kahr. When folks do have problems with a Kahr, the majority of the time it is mag related and the issues are easily resolved.


While you are entitled to your opinion, I'll stick by my statement. I have personally owned 15 Glocks and never had the slightest issue while one of my 3 Kahrs had to go back for significant problems. It works now but I've never seen an issue with a Glock that would require a return trip to the factory. When I worked at a gun store we sent one Glock back and that was only because the owner insisted on it, we had to send several Kahrs back. I still like/own/trust Kahrs overall but to suggest they are more likely to be reliable than a Glock is borderline delusional. Even with the recent issues with ejectors and recoil springs on certain Glocks I would still be much more confident in a new Glock than a new Kahr.


Pre 2010 Glocks were possibly the most reliable guns straight out of the box. That is not the case anymore. Glock has a QC problem on their hands and the issues with newer Gen 3' and Gen 4's goes far beyond ejector and RSA issues. Some of the guns can't be fixed because the slides are out of spec. There are several threads about this both here and at GT. I have personal experience in this area, drove down to Smyrna to take my gun in, and the armorer I talked to did not deny that he is seeing several problem guns. You couldn't give a new Glock. Only Gen 2's and pre 2010 Gen 3' s for me.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 2:49:48 PM
I just got my new gen 3 19 back this morning from glock for the erratic ejection don't now how it'll run yet. My cm9 has been awesome though. 300 totals rounds so far n I love it
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:38:47 AM
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I have many different handguns and have had problems with many of them. I now have 2 Kahr's 1 PM9 and 1P380. The PM9 has been a great gun with no issues gun or mags. The P380 had a feeding issue. Called Kahr and they had me ship the gun on their dime. They found it was an issue that some had with the frame so the frame was replaced. They sent the gun to the dealer that I purchased from so no charge for the tranfer fee and Kahr also added 2 new extended mags. I believe they are around $40.00 each, so that was a gift of $80.00 for my trouble. They had the weapon back to me within 2 weeks. The only other company with as good of customer service that I have found is Springfield Armory. A weapon is only as good as the customer service after the sale and Kahr past that test for me. Know for the size The PM9 is as small as you can make a 9mm. S&W has a new one called the Shield that kick's in amout 5 ounces heavier than the PM9. The PM9 also gives great checkering both front and back so you can hold onto the gun during firing. I carry 124g +P with no problems. It's not for everyone but for me it will remain in my rotation for carry.
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Posted: 5/18/2012 11:56:51 AM
I just got one a week ago. I had 180 rounds through it without any single problem. I'll shoot some more this weekend. So far it has been solid. I really like this pistol.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 9:56:19 PM
Don't know much about the Glock problems, other then reading from the sources out there. Just never owned one before. However, we know lemons exist and unfortunitly some have less luck then others in recieving these unlucky failures. I own a CW9 and have had wonderful luck with it past the break-in period. Then again there's those CQ problems with every piece (except my H&Ks of course hahaha).
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Posted: 5/24/2012 6:02:42 AM
I picked up a CM9 a couple weeks ago. I have only put 125 rds through it so far but it ran perfect and I really like this little gun.
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Posted: 5/24/2012 4:03:57 PM
I don't get all the Glock vs Kahr comparisons. They are different animals. When/if Glock makes a pocket 9 the same size as a Kahr, compare away. A much more realistic comaprison would be Kahr vs LC9, DB9, Shield etc. .02
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Posted: 7/13/2012 9:27:42 PM
Don't know anything about statistical likelihood, but can give some anecdotal data. In 2002 I read a rave review by Masaad Ayoob, and bought a Kahr P9. Didn't run. Took it back and got another one. Didn't run. Sent to factory, got it back. Didn't run. I spent an awful lot of money on the guns and ammo to test them, but I really liked the size, power, and accuracy package. I also thought it was a really neat design. Wound up going through 4 of them before I gave up and bought a Glock 19. The Glock ran perfectly from day one. Had it for years. I never really liked it all that much, but it worked and was easy to clean and maintain.

Ten years go by. It is now Summer of 2011. The Glock has been traded for some reason. I'm looking for a small 9mm. I buy a Glock 19 Gen 4 without doing research. Had no idea Glocks could be anything but perfect. Glock didn't run - same jamming problems lots of people are having with the 9mm Gen 4 pistols. Against my better judgement I bought a Kahr CW9. I expected problems, but thought, maybe after ten years they got it straightened out.

As of now the Glock still doesn't run. I've tried several fixes, including the latest recoil spring assembly and aftermarket extractor setup. I'm about ready to give up on it. The Kahr has a few hundred rounds through it, and the only issue it's had was one instance of my thumb activating the slide lock prematurely. I dehorned the slide lock and it has not happened again. So in 2012, I think your chances of getting a lemon are better with new Glocks than with new Kahrs, although you can get a lemon with either.

Reading the forums it does seem that, if you do get a gun with issues, your likelihood of getting a good ultimate resolution is better with Kahr than with Glock. Some of the new Glocks just can't be made to run.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 10:25:58 AM
I just got a new cm9 and 200+ round down range and no issues at all..I also hand cycle the slide 200 times at home until i had the
chance to take it to the range..Very happy so far.
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