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Posted: 5/12/2012 1:42:46 PM
Own a CW9 and PM9. Have had them both for a couple of years with at least 1000 rounds down the pipe of both. Never had any problems. Love the PM9.
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Posted: 5/18/2012 2:00:08 PM
For what it's worth... My CM9 has been just shy of 100% out of the box... Would have been 100% if I had been paying attention.
I had one 125gr LRN fail to go completely into battery... About 30 rounds into my break in. I ejected the round and found a huge wad of sticky red bullet lube on the bullet... With a clear mark in the lube showing the lube was the problem. I scrapped the round clean and put it into another mag... Fed and fired fine. My CM9 is closing in on 1k round with only 1 FTF.... Ammo related. It has reliably fed everything from Truncated Cone cast lead, to the ugliest JHP I had on my loading bench. It has eaten low power / low pressure plinking loads and +P over listed load max (no pressure signs on cases though... ) JHP screamers. Not a single factory load has been in my gun since proof testing at the factory and the only FTF has been my own damn fault (shoulda seen the lube mess while loading the mag). I did hand cycle the gun 300x prior to shooting, I did remove a few minor burrs from the frame that showed up in the hand cycling, I lubed similar to the tacked lube chart... I use grease on the rails and barrel, RemOil elsewhere. Same treatment I give any new to me gun... Nothing special in my eyes was needed to prepare it. I trust my CM9. More than I can say for my LC9. That staple gun will be sold off ASAP... Trigger sucks and the primer shaving issue caused loads of trouble (solved now... Over 800 trouble free cycles since the repair). My PF9 has been 100% out of the box, but the CM9 trigger is heads and shoulders better. When I can't carry a "real" gun... My CM9 will be with me. Thanks to PJ Holsters for the amazingly good AIWB holster, the CM9 disappears and is a cinch to carry. Now I just need JS Holsters to speed up with my 2x pocket mag carrier. ![]() |
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Posted: 5/20/2012 12:53:07 PM
I just experienced the WWB nose under the feedramp this morning for the first time. It was a disconcerting experience.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 6:04:06 AM
Originally Posted By ED_P:
I just experienced the WWB nose under the feedramp this morning for the first time. It was a disconcerting experience. One of my five mags was a touch loose in the feed lips... it wanted to let the top round walk a bit would lead to nose under FTF. I tightened it up and never saw the walking round again. I also use a pocket holster for my spare mags to encourage the rounds to stay seated firmly. |
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Posted: 5/26/2012 8:58:11 AM
[Last Edit: 5/26/2012 8:58:33 AM by ED_P]
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By ED_P:
I just experienced the WWB nose under the feedramp this morning for the first time. It was a disconcerting experience. One of my five mags was a touch loose in the feed lips... it wanted to let the top round walk a bit would lead to nose under FTF. I tightened it up and never saw the walking round again. I also use a pocket holster for my spare mags to encourage the rounds to stay seated firmly. I have both a MK9 and PM9, and noticed the PM9 has a significant gap between the magazine and the feedramp which the MK9 does not, and the feedramp on the PM9 appears to extend rurther out towards the magazine vs. the MK9. Here are some pics I took. The slide with the Red vertical stripe (the Loaded Chamber indicator) is the PM9.
The second two pics are the same gun with a magazine inserted, but the follower and spring taken out, to further illustrate the gap a bullet nose encounters when rising up in the magazine. First is MK9, 2nd is PM9. Seems they could fix the PM9 by adding some more material under the feed ramp, like the MK9.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 2:12:49 AM
Interesting... good photos.
How does the gap compare with spring/follower in place? Luckily for me... I got a good Kahr... mine continues to tick along nicely. |
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Posted: 5/27/2012 8:06:07 AM
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Interesting... good photos. How does the gap compare with spring/follower in place? Luckily for me... I got a good Kahr... mine continues to tick along nicely. I originally tried to get a pic with the follower in, but it was very tricky due to the spring tension, having to push the follower down with a pen below the magazine lip while I snapped a picture. I took the follower and spring out to show the gap. |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 9:57:30 PM
Originally Posted By ED_P:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Interesting... good photos. How does the gap compare with spring/follower in place? Luckily for me... I got a good Kahr... mine continues to tick along nicely. I originally tried to get a pic with the follower in, but it was very tricky due to the spring tension, having to push the follower down with a pen below the magazine lip while I snapped a picture. I took the follower and spring out to show the gap. So... With the spring and followers in place the gap is covered? If so, that would lead me to believe the gap is not the issue I initially thought it could be. Would seem the MK design is a bit more fool proof though. |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 10:17:45 PM
Originally Posted By XMM:
Originally Posted By Freeway:
Originally Posted By J_M_C:
BTW, I took my PM9 for a range session the day after I got it back. 338 rds. downrange using all five mags...0 problems w/pistol or mags. Truth be told, I still can't bring myself to trust it. I know, right? Over 300 rounds of defensive ammo downrange with no problems and you won't trust the next 7 to feed correctly? I guess just sell the thing, but that was an awful waste of ammunition and time. Hello don't sell it, give it to me, I'll trust the little bastard. |
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Posted: 5/29/2012 9:06:32 AM
I have a CM9 with a little less than 2000 rounds through it. I bought it when they first came out and it has ran great with all but one type of cheap ammo. I just don't use that ammo anymore in it. I carry it daily because it is comfortable (crossbreed mini-tuck), points well & fires when I want it to.
I recommend a CM9 with the exception that some I have seen do have some sharp edges that might require a minute or so to smooth out. |
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Posted: 5/29/2012 11:11:36 AM
Just have to opine here... just took a cm9 out for its first range trip and breakin. Several hundred rds and no issues whatsoever. Accurate as heck.
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Posted: 5/29/2012 5:55:45 PM
[Last Edit: 5/29/2012 5:58:07 PM by ED_P]
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By ED_P:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Interesting... good photos. How does the gap compare with spring/follower in place? Luckily for me... I got a good Kahr... mine continues to tick along nicely. I originally tried to get a pic with the follower in, but it was very tricky due to the spring tension, having to push the follower down with a pen below the magazine lip while I snapped a picture. I took the follower and spring out to show the gap. So... With the spring and followers in place the gap is covered? If so, that would lead me to believe the gap is not the issue I initially thought it could be. Would seem the MK design is a bit more fool proof though. I believe that the gap is an issue, as the gap presents itself as a place for rounds to get stuck as they move up the magazine during the firing cycle while the follower is still further down inside the magazine. The several nose below the feedramp issues I had with the PM9 were caused by the round somehow moving too far forward while it was rising past the gap, getting stuck under the feedramp lip. |
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Posted: 5/29/2012 11:22:24 PM
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Originally Posted By ED_P:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Originally Posted By ED_P:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Interesting... good photos. How does the gap compare with spring/follower in place? Luckily for me... I got a good Kahr... mine continues to tick along nicely. I originally tried to get a pic with the follower in, but it was very tricky due to the spring tension, having to push the follower down with a pen below the magazine lip while I snapped a picture. I took the follower and spring out to show the gap. So... With the spring and followers in place the gap is covered? If so, that would lead me to believe the gap is not the issue I initially thought it could be. Would seem the MK design is a bit more fool proof though. I believe that the gap is an issue, as the gap presents itself as a place for rounds to get stuck as they move up the magazine during the firing cycle while the follower is still further down inside the magazine. The several nose below the feedramp issues I had with the PM9 were caused by the round somehow moving too far forward while it was rising past the gap, getting stuck under the feedramp lip. Ah. I have not experienced this failure with my CM9. It has been fed a steady diet of 115gr FMJ, 125gr LRN and 124 and 147gr GoldDots... Hasn't nosed under yet. If I have a failure... I'm blaming it on you.
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