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Posted: 10/19/2015 6:03:03 PM EDT
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Glock or walk...
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Posted: 10/19/2015 9:08:19 PM EDT
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I like my XDs. I do not like the XDM line or the GRIP ZONE
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Posted: 10/22/2015 8:50:19 PM EDT
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Well class was a success. There were 2 other XD carriers there. One a 5" XD Service and one an 3.8 XDM, both in 9mm.
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Posted: 10/23/2015 5:04:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2015 5:35:30 PM EDT
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Except that's not a grip zone XD.
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Posted: 10/23/2015 5:48:09 PM EDT
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I have 800 FLAWLESSCall me when you hit 20K with 0 parts replacement and it still passes a factory armorers inspection as needing no new parts. rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun. What is with all the hate towards them I go on YouTube and see crazy torture tests done to them. They always pass too but when you get onto the forums all hell breaks loose. Can anyone explain this to me and maybe post a round count please I'm just curious? Thanks |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 5:54:47 PM EDT
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They've been on the market for a damn while already and haven't done shit. Hell, they were under glass at shops during the AWB. In that same amount of time Glock went from unheard of to being in every Cop's holster across the country. I recall seeing them in 2002 and I know they were around before then. So I'm going to be generous here.... in the same time period. Glock went from being unheard in the early 1980s to being issued to a shit ton of cops and flyin off store shelves in the early 1990s and being in rap songs and the main characters of movies. Slav Squat Pistol is trash You can walk in to an Academy store here and pick up an XD for $400-$425 any day. I've carried Glocks as duty guns (G27, G19, G22) and have nothing but respect for them as far as reliability but the only one I achieved any great accuracy with was actually the G27. I don't dry fire much at all, with or without caps, except to check function so while I'll upgrade the pin, I don't see nearly enough reports of the pin breaking to cause me any distress. I was actually surprised there were not more stories of the loaded chamber indicator breaking after I looked at the innards.. Pros (over Glock): It hits where I point it. Fits my hand more like a CZ, friendly grip angle Trigger doesn't feel like a toy, maybe because there is IMHO less plastic (?) Controls are more robust design and are more friendly (and metal in the case of the mag release) frame feels more substantial and has full rails (my preference) One of the best finishes I've seen on handgun, and I've given it every reason to rust in South TX/Gulf Coast heat and humidity. Obviously the first gen had issues but that was years ago. Standard sights are metal unlike the Glock. I don't even notice the grip safety and haven't been able to create a situation where the weapon wouldn't fire (reasonably) because of my grip The XD is on our approved list and we have a couple guys that carry them. We haven't seen any issues so far, but neither have we with the issued G19's though many of the guys complain the G19 doesn't point well for them either. I really think calling it trash is more than an exaggeration, it is completely without basis. Old list from 2010 of agencies issuing or approving the XD, though things change over time, sometimes due to issues unrelated to the weapon's reliability. I imagine Beverly Hills PD could afford Sig or H&K pistols: AGENCIES ISSUING THE XD: ABERDEEN TWP NJ PD ARENAC Co MI SHERIFF BEDFORD TX PD BEVERLY HILLS CA PD BOLIVAR Co MS SHERIFF BOONE IA PD BUTLER TWP PA PD CAMERON PARISH LA SHERIFF CASTLE ROCK CO PD CEREDO WV PD CHEYENNE RIVER SIOUX SD TRIBAL POLICE CLEVELAND MS PD DOWNINGTOWN PA PD DUKE ENERGY - OCONEE SC SITE DUKE ENERGY - CATAWBA SC SITE DUKE ENERGY - MCGUIRE NC SITE EL MONTE CA PD GALVA IL PD GENEVA IN PD GLOSTER MS PD GOODLETTSVILLE TN PD GRAND CHUTE WI PD GRANITE FALLS NC PD GROTON CT PD HOLLANDALE MS PD KEWANEE IL PD KETTERING OH PD LEE Co NC SHERIFF LINCOLN IL PD LOUISA Co IA SHERIFF LOWELL IN PD LUNA Co NM SHERIFF MEXICO MO PD: NEWAYGO MI PD NEWAYGO Co MI SHERIFF NICHOLASVILLE KY PD OKLAHOMA STATE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION OSAWATOMIE KS PD: PERKINS TWP OH PD: PERRYVILLE MD PD PIMA AZ PD RAYMOND MS PD RIDGEFIELD BORO NJ PD RIDGELAND MS PD SIGNAL MOUNTAIN TN PD SISKIYOU Co CA SHERIFF SISKIYOU Co CA PROBATION SMYRNA TN PD SOUTHERN REGIONAL PA PD SOUTHINGTON CT PD SUMMERS Co WV SHERIFF SYLVANIA OH PD TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY PD KY UNIVERSITY OF AL BIRMINGHAM PD USDA-APHIS DIV TX BORDER PATROL VENUS TX PD VERNON CA PD WEBB MS PD WEBSTER CITY IA PD WICHITA KS PD: WICHITA KS AIRPORT AUTHORITY WINCHESTER TN PD WINDSOR HEIGHTS IA PD WOOD Co OH SHERIFF WYANET IL PD AGENCIES APPROVING THE XD: AUDUBON Co IA SHERIFF BALDWIN PARK CA PD BEAUFORT Co NC SHERIFF BEAUMONT TX PD BOULDER Co CO SHERIFF CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL CHICAGO IL PD COLLIER Co FL SHERIFF DENVER CO PD DES MOINES IA PD DULUTH MN PD ELKHORN NE PD FOND DU LAC MN CONSERVATION DEPT FREER TX PD GARFIELD Co CO SHERIFF GREENSBORO OH PD HARLAN Co NE SHERIFF HENDERSON NV PD HHSC OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL LE DIV (TX) HOUSTON TX PD HOWE TX PD HURON OH PD IDAHO Co ID SHERIFF JEFFERSON Co CO SHERIFF LAS VEGAS NV PD: LACLEDE Co MO SHERIFF MARSHALL WI PD MATAWAN BOROUGH NJ PD MAYAGUEZ PUERTO RICO PD MESA AZ PD OHIO DNR OKLAHOMA CITY OK PD ORLAND HILLS IL PD: JIM MOLLOY PAROWAN CITY UT PD PIMA Co AZ SHERIFF PUERTO RICO DOC RENO NV PD SALINA MI PD TAOS NM PD TARRANT AL PD TERREBONNE PARISH LA SHERIFF SALT LAKE Co UT SHERIFF SAN DIEGO CA PD SHAW MS PD SILVERTHORNE CO PD SILVIS IL PD SOMERSET WI PD WASHOE Co NV SHERIFF UHRICHSVILLE OH PD WEXFORD Co MI SHERIFF STATE APPROVED: The XD has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is Certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. ETA: I meant the striker indicator not the loaded chamber indicator, and full rails as opposed to "tabs" such as the Glock has.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best responses are basically arguing that since Glocks, M&Ps, Sigs, etc are widely adopted by military and police, that the XD must be inferior. I can see some merit to the argument assuming that these pistols were adopted after extensive testing and experience. But, I haven't seen any evaluations that included the XD series. If the internet existed back when Glocks entered the scene, I'm sure there would have been similar posts about all the "Glock hate." Which would have included the same arguments. Especially against some plastic gun that was made in Austria. Obviously, over many years, Glocks have proved to be one of the iconic modern pistols of all time. Which leads to another argument that I haven't seen any real support for: they are made in Croatia. So what? The XDm runs well based on many reports and youtube torture tests. I've heard anecdotal accounts that they are not reliable, but not nearly enough for me to think that those instances were representative of the design. The concern over the roll pin is the only issue that I've heard about consistently, but even then it's mostly people concerned about the potential failure, not that it actually happened to them. Another argument is that it's overpriced. That's more of an opinion. Compare a Glock to a Sig, and the Sig would be overpriced in many people's opinions. Essentially, I haven't seen any good reasons for "the hate," it appears to boil down to opinion. Give it another 5-10 years, and perhaps the XDs will garner a reputation close to that of Glock. But Glock's reputation was earned over time with lots of hard testing and use. It will be hard for Xds to earn that reputation for themselves since they are not inherently better than the competition, as Glock was when it came out. That is a major issue. No fucking real support. Springfield Armory can't enter the government market because of that. The roll pin is a critical issue. It fucking fails and the gun can stop working. Not good. The fact that it is made in Croatia isn't an issue. It is that fact that it is made in Croatia and it can't get any support other than from Croatia.the XDm is funny, why? Because you have two products that nothing interchanges on. The XDm suffers from the same issue as the XD... no support, no adoption, can't pass evals. It is overprice. We aren't comparing Sig to Glock by price. They're completely different designs and methods of manufacturing. The XD is nothing but the HS2000 with a new name. When it was sold as the HS2000 it was a $298 gun. Slap the "eXtreme Duty" name and the Springfield Armory moniker on it and it suddenly rose $300 in price. It was fucking costlier than Glocks for a while. Nothing changed... just the name. It is not different than a Walmart Rivali Brand Toaster going for $15 now selling for $90 since the packaging says Bed Bath & Beyond. It is the same fucking toaster. They've been on the market for a damn while already and haven't done shit. Hell, they were under glass at shops during the AWB. In that same amount of time Glock went from unheard of to being in every Cop's holster across the country. I recall seeing them in 2002 and I know they were around before then. So I'm going to be generous here.... in the same time period. Glock went from being unheard in the early 1980s to being issued to a shit ton of cops and flyin off store shelves in the early 1990s and being in rap songs and the main characters of movies. Slav Squat Pistol is trash You can walk in to an Academy store here and pick up an XD for $400-$425 any day. I've carried Glocks as duty guns (G27, G19, G22) and have nothing but respect for them as far as reliability but the only one I achieved any great accuracy with was actually the G27. I don't dry fire much at all, with or without caps, except to check function so while I'll upgrade the pin, I don't see nearly enough reports of the pin breaking to cause me any distress. I was actually surprised there were not more stories of the loaded chamber indicator breaking after I looked at the innards.. Pros (over Glock): It hits where I point it. Fits my hand more like a CZ, friendly grip angle Trigger doesn't feel like a toy, maybe because there is IMHO less plastic (?) Controls are more robust design and are more friendly (and metal in the case of the mag release) frame feels more substantial and has full rails (my preference) One of the best finishes I've seen on handgun, and I've given it every reason to rust in South TX/Gulf Coast heat and humidity. Obviously the first gen had issues but that was years ago. Standard sights are metal unlike the Glock. I don't even notice the grip safety and haven't been able to create a situation where the weapon wouldn't fire (reasonably) because of my grip The XD is on our approved list and we have a couple guys that carry them. We haven't seen any issues so far, but neither have we with the issued G19's though many of the guys complain the G19 doesn't point well for them either. I really think calling it trash is more than an exaggeration, it is completely without basis. Old list from 2010 of agencies issuing or approving the XD, though things change over time, sometimes due to issues unrelated to the weapon's reliability. I imagine Beverly Hills PD could afford Sig or H&K pistols: AGENCIES ISSUING THE XD: ABERDEEN TWP NJ PD ARENAC Co MI SHERIFF BEDFORD TX PD BEVERLY HILLS CA PD BOLIVAR Co MS SHERIFF BOONE IA PD BUTLER TWP PA PD CAMERON PARISH LA SHERIFF CASTLE ROCK CO PD CEREDO WV PD CHEYENNE RIVER SIOUX SD TRIBAL POLICE CLEVELAND MS PD DOWNINGTOWN PA PD DUKE ENERGY - OCONEE SC SITE DUKE ENERGY - CATAWBA SC SITE DUKE ENERGY - MCGUIRE NC SITE EL MONTE CA PD GALVA IL PD GENEVA IN PD GLOSTER MS PD GOODLETTSVILLE TN PD GRAND CHUTE WI PD GRANITE FALLS NC PD GROTON CT PD HOLLANDALE MS PD KEWANEE IL PD KETTERING OH PD LEE Co NC SHERIFF LINCOLN IL PD LOUISA Co IA SHERIFF LOWELL IN PD LUNA Co NM SHERIFF MEXICO MO PD: NEWAYGO MI PD NEWAYGO Co MI SHERIFF NICHOLASVILLE KY PD OKLAHOMA STATE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION OSAWATOMIE KS PD: PERKINS TWP OH PD: PERRYVILLE MD PD PIMA AZ PD RAYMOND MS PD RIDGEFIELD BORO NJ PD RIDGELAND MS PD SIGNAL MOUNTAIN TN PD SISKIYOU Co CA SHERIFF SISKIYOU Co CA PROBATION SMYRNA TN PD SOUTHERN REGIONAL PA PD SOUTHINGTON CT PD SUMMERS Co WV SHERIFF SYLVANIA OH PD TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY PD KY UNIVERSITY OF AL BIRMINGHAM PD USDA-APHIS DIV TX BORDER PATROL VENUS TX PD VERNON CA PD WEBB MS PD WEBSTER CITY IA PD WICHITA KS PD: WICHITA KS AIRPORT AUTHORITY WINCHESTER TN PD WINDSOR HEIGHTS IA PD WOOD Co OH SHERIFF WYANET IL PD AGENCIES APPROVING THE XD: AUDUBON Co IA SHERIFF BALDWIN PARK CA PD BEAUFORT Co NC SHERIFF BEAUMONT TX PD BOULDER Co CO SHERIFF CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL CHICAGO IL PD COLLIER Co FL SHERIFF DENVER CO PD DES MOINES IA PD DULUTH MN PD ELKHORN NE PD FOND DU LAC MN CONSERVATION DEPT FREER TX PD GARFIELD Co CO SHERIFF GREENSBORO OH PD HARLAN Co NE SHERIFF HENDERSON NV PD HHSC OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL LE DIV (TX) HOUSTON TX PD HOWE TX PD HURON OH PD IDAHO Co ID SHERIFF JEFFERSON Co CO SHERIFF LAS VEGAS NV PD: LACLEDE Co MO SHERIFF MARSHALL WI PD MATAWAN BOROUGH NJ PD MAYAGUEZ PUERTO RICO PD MESA AZ PD OHIO DNR OKLAHOMA CITY OK PD ORLAND HILLS IL PD: JIM MOLLOY PAROWAN CITY UT PD PIMA Co AZ SHERIFF PUERTO RICO DOC RENO NV PD SALINA MI PD TAOS NM PD TARRANT AL PD TERREBONNE PARISH LA SHERIFF SALT LAKE Co UT SHERIFF SAN DIEGO CA PD SHAW MS PD SILVERTHORNE CO PD SILVIS IL PD SOMERSET WI PD WASHOE Co NV SHERIFF UHRICHSVILLE OH PD WEXFORD Co MI SHERIFF STATE APPROVED: The XD has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is Certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. ETA: I meant the striker indicator not the loaded chamber indicator, and full rails as opposed to "tabs" such as the Glock has.... I am not sure where you got that list of agencies from but one of them is wrong. Last october I went through the Glock instructors workshop with two Castle Rock officers. Their agency just finished a contract to go to Glock 17's. On the one hand I do not hate XD's. I am not a hard core hater of grip safeties. Having said that, I got rid of the one xd I bought. The grip safety was more sensitive than any of the half dozen or so 1911's I hav3e owned and dozens I have shot. IT was no more accurate than my glock. It has no where near the track record of the glcok as far as reliability and durability. |
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Posted: 10/23/2015 6:38:56 PM EDT
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Well class was a success. There were 2 other XD carriers there. One a 5" XD Service and one an 3.8 XDM, both in 9mm. No malfunctions with any of the firearms. Thanks for the update |
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Posted: 10/24/2015 7:54:43 AM EDT
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Well class was a success. There were 2 other XD carriers there. One a 5" XD Service and one an 3.8 XDM, both in 9mm. No malfunctions with any of the firearms. Thanks for the update Like was said above- The XD is a great pistol and it will serve you just as well as a Glock would. I didn't expect to see any problems from your after class report. |
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Posted: 10/24/2015 11:31:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except that's not a grip zone XD. It is a manual safety XD-45. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not sure where you got that list of agencies from but one of them is wrong. Last october I went through the Glock instructors workshop with two Castle Rock officers. Their agency just finished a contract to go to Glock 17's. On the one hand I do not hate XD's. I am not a hard core hater of grip safeties. Having said that, I got rid of the one xd I bought. The grip safety was more sensitive than any of the half dozen or so 1911's I hav3e owned and dozens I have shot. IT was no more accurate than my glock. It has no where near the track record of the glcok as far as reliability and durability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: O You can walk in to an Academy store here and pick up an XD for $400-$425 any day. I've carried Glocks as duty guns (G27, G19, G22) and have nothing but respect for them as far as reliability but the only one I achieved any great accuracy with was actually the G27. I don't dry fire much at all, with or without caps, except to check function so while I'll upgrade the pin, I don't see nearly enough reports of the pin breaking to cause me any distress. I was actually surprised there were not more stories of the loaded chamber indicator breaking after I looked at the innards.. Pros (over Glock): It hits where I point it. Fits my hand more like a CZ, friendly grip angle Trigger doesn't feel like a toy, maybe because there is IMHO less plastic (?) Controls are more robust design and are more friendly (and metal in the case of the mag release) frame feels more substantial and has full rails (my preference) One of the best finishes I've seen on handgun, and I've given it every reason to rust in South TX/Gulf Coast heat and humidity. Obviously the first gen had issues but that was years ago. Standard sights are metal unlike the Glock. I don't even notice the grip safety and haven't been able to create a situation where the weapon wouldn't fire (reasonably) because of my grip The XD is on our approved list and we have a couple guys that carry them. We haven't seen any issues so far, but neither have we with the issued G19's though many of the guys complain the G19 doesn't point well for them either. I really think calling it trash is more than an exaggeration, it is completely without basis. Old list from 2010 of agencies issuing or approving the XD, though things change over time, sometimes due to issues unrelated to the weapon's reliability. I imagine Beverly Hills PD could afford Sig or H&K pistols: AGENCIES ISSUING THE XD: ABERDEEN TWP NJ PD ARENAC Co MI SHERIFF BEDFORD TX PD BEVERLY HILLS CA PD BOLIVAR Co MS SHERIFF BOONE IA PD BUTLER TWP PA PD CAMERON PARISH LA SHERIFF CASTLE ROCK CO PD CEREDO WV PD CHEYENNE RIVER SIOUX SD TRIBAL POLICE CLEVELAND MS PD DOWNINGTOWN PA PD DUKE ENERGY - OCONEE SC SITE DUKE ENERGY - CATAWBA SC SITE DUKE ENERGY - MCGUIRE NC SITE EL MONTE CA PD GALVA IL PD GENEVA IN PD GLOSTER MS PD GOODLETTSVILLE TN PD GRAND CHUTE WI PD GRANITE FALLS NC PD GROTON CT PD HOLLANDALE MS PD KEWANEE IL PD KETTERING OH PD LEE Co NC SHERIFF LINCOLN IL PD LOUISA Co IA SHERIFF LOWELL IN PD LUNA Co NM SHERIFF MEXICO MO PD: NEWAYGO MI PD NEWAYGO Co MI SHERIFF NICHOLASVILLE KY PD OKLAHOMA STATE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION OSAWATOMIE KS PD: PERKINS TWP OH PD: PERRYVILLE MD PD PIMA AZ PD RAYMOND MS PD RIDGEFIELD BORO NJ PD RIDGELAND MS PD SIGNAL MOUNTAIN TN PD SISKIYOU Co CA SHERIFF SISKIYOU Co CA PROBATION SMYRNA TN PD SOUTHERN REGIONAL PA PD SOUTHINGTON CT PD SUMMERS Co WV SHERIFF SYLVANIA OH PD TRANSYLVANIA UNIVERSITY PD KY UNIVERSITY OF AL BIRMINGHAM PD USDA-APHIS DIV TX BORDER PATROL VENUS TX PD VERNON CA PD WEBB MS PD WEBSTER CITY IA PD WICHITA KS PD: WICHITA KS AIRPORT AUTHORITY WINCHESTER TN PD WINDSOR HEIGHTS IA PD WOOD Co OH SHERIFF WYANET IL PD AGENCIES APPROVING THE XD: AUDUBON Co IA SHERIFF BALDWIN PARK CA PD BEAUFORT Co NC SHERIFF BEAUMONT TX PD BOULDER Co CO SHERIFF CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL CHICAGO IL PD COLLIER Co FL SHERIFF DENVER CO PD DES MOINES IA PD DULUTH MN PD ELKHORN NE PD FOND DU LAC MN CONSERVATION DEPT FREER TX PD GARFIELD Co CO SHERIFF GREENSBORO OH PD HARLAN Co NE SHERIFF HENDERSON NV PD HHSC OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL LE DIV (TX) HOUSTON TX PD HOWE TX PD HURON OH PD IDAHO Co ID SHERIFF JEFFERSON Co CO SHERIFF LAS VEGAS NV PD: LACLEDE Co MO SHERIFF MARSHALL WI PD MATAWAN BOROUGH NJ PD MAYAGUEZ PUERTO RICO PD MESA AZ PD OHIO DNR OKLAHOMA CITY OK PD ORLAND HILLS IL PD: JIM MOLLOY PAROWAN CITY UT PD PIMA Co AZ SHERIFF PUERTO RICO DOC RENO NV PD SALINA MI PD TAOS NM PD TARRANT AL PD TERREBONNE PARISH LA SHERIFF SALT LAKE Co UT SHERIFF SAN DIEGO CA PD SHAW MS PD SILVERTHORNE CO PD SILVIS IL PD SOMERSET WI PD WASHOE Co NV SHERIFF UHRICHSVILLE OH PD WEXFORD Co MI SHERIFF STATE APPROVED: The XD has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is Certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. ETA: I meant the striker indicator not the loaded chamber indicator, and full rails as opposed to "tabs" such as the Glock has.... I am not sure where you got that list of agencies from but one of them is wrong. Last october I went through the Glock instructors workshop with two Castle Rock officers. Their agency just finished a contract to go to Glock 17's. On the one hand I do not hate XD's. I am not a hard core hater of grip safeties. Having said that, I got rid of the one xd I bought. The grip safety was more sensitive than any of the half dozen or so 1911's I hav3e owned and dozens I have shot. IT was no more accurate than my glock. It has no where near the track record of the glcok as far as reliability and durability. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 5:03:05 PM EDT
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Great guns. Haters gonna hate...
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Posted: 11/20/2015 10:38:28 PM EDT
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I've run my XD guns in classes. My "high count" gun has ~20k rounds and hasn't had to have anything replaced. That's reliable enough for me, particularly since the only Springfield gun I have ever had a problem with was the XDS45. (It eventually got replaced with an XDM 5.25 9mm by the factory repair shop. Hardly a lack of support there.)
When I was first looking for a carry weapon, I shot an XD, a couple of Glocks, S&W, H&K, Sig, Ruger, Taurus, Walther, and a Browning Hi Power. At that time, the XD had by far the best factory trigger of any that I shot. (The Taurus 24/7 in 9mm back then had those ribbed rubber grips that were fantastic. My son rocks that now. The new ones are plastic.  )
I will say that the PRP trigger kits installed in the XD/XDM line REALLY make a huge difference in accuracy and time to second shot. I actually had the Springfield shop put in one on my XDM45 5.25. Very nice. Would I put up an XD against a Glock or M&P every day of the week. I'm not seeing the drawback of the grip safety. In fact, a manual safety really is an extra step that merely delays getting the gun on target if your having to draw from concealment. The XD doesn't suffer from that problem. I have had no reliability problems with any of my XD in 9mm or 45 shooting all kinds of ammo. Have shot ~1000 rounds of .45 in a day one time. Hurt my hand a LOT more than the gun. (Was actually sore for the next 3 days.) I'm assuming the main reason why the number of LEOs using the XD is far lower than Glock or S&W is price. But, realistically, I don't think they need the highly discounted LEO business since they're selling all they can make as it is.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:11:29 PM EDT
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I put a few thousand rounds through my XDm40 4.5 last year and about the same through an XDm9 5.25 this year. Both with PRP trigger kits and dawson sights. They worked fine, no malfunctions under adverse weather conditions. I rarely cleaned them unless they got covered in mud.
I'd expect a glock or M&P to do the same, and have seen it from other shooters. I switched to a tanfoglio late this year and can't figure out why I didn't move out of the polymer platform for comp shooting sooner. The plastic fantastics have since been dedicated to my carry guns, I have no reservations in knowing they'll work just fine. |
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:15:57 PM EDT
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Hate the grip safety unless it's a 1911
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Posted: 11/21/2015 12:13:48 PM EDT
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I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot.
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Posted: 11/21/2015 12:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot. Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:35:18 PM EDT
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So what you're saying is you have a fascination with overly complex and complicated designs with redundant features that add nothig to the safety or performance of he firearm in any way, shape, or form. Okay, got it.... Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot. Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. You assume everyones needs are the same as yours. Simple question, would you carry a loaded Glock (or any other stryker fired without those redundant safety features) unholstered in your waist band, gun pocket in a motorcycle jacket, throw it in a saddle bag etc. ? |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You assume everyones needs are the same as yours. Simple question, would you carry a loaded Glock (or any other stryker fired without those redundant safety features) unholstered in your waist band, gun pocket in a motorcycle jacket, throw it in a saddle bag etc. ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot. Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. You assume everyones needs are the same as yours. Simple question, would you carry a loaded Glock (or any other stryker fired without those redundant safety features) unholstered in your waist band, gun pocket in a motorcycle jacket, throw it in a saddle bag etc. ? I did all the time before my motorcycle accident. There was nothing in the pocket that would possibly snag or catch the trigger for my Glock 27. I wore an Icon Contra Jacket. No, I don't leave guns in a saddle bag. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 11:31:31 PM EDT
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I don't carry any firearm like that. I did all the time before my motorcycle accident. There was nothing in the pocket that would possibly snag or catch the trigger for my Glock 27. I wore an Icon Contra Jacket. No, I don't leave guns in a saddle bag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot. Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. You assume everyones needs are the same as yours. Simple question, would you carry a loaded Glock (or any other stryker fired without those redundant safety features) unholstered in your waist band, gun pocket in a motorcycle jacket, throw it in a saddle bag etc. ? I did all the time before my motorcycle accident. There was nothing in the pocket that would possibly snag or catch the trigger for my Glock 27. I wore an Icon Contra Jacket. No, I don't leave guns in a saddle bag. Interesting as it has never bothered me to carry a decocked FS series Beretta in my waist band as the firing pin rolls out of the hammer area when decocted, I have never considered placing a loaded stryker fired weapon with out a safety in my gun pocket, but hey we all think a little different and I don't leave guns in my saddle bag either when I get of the Bike to go into a Restaurant, Motel etc I remove the decocked gun and place it in my waist band again (which I may do several times a day). Damn the more I think about this the more I realize the Beretta may be the perfect gun for me.
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Posted: 11/21/2015 11:58:11 PM EDT
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Interesting as it has never bothered me to carry a decocked FS series Beretta in my waist band as the firing pin rolls out of the hammer area when decocted, I have never considered placing a loaded stryker fired weapon with out a safety in my gun pocket, but hey we all think a little different and I don't leave guns in my saddle bag either when I get of the Bike to go into a Restaurant, Motel etc I remove the decocked gun and place it in my waist band again (which I may do several times a day). Damn the more I think about this the more I realize the Beretta may be the perfect gun for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot. Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. You assume everyones needs are the same as yours. Simple question, would you carry a loaded Glock (or any other stryker fired without those redundant safety features) unholstered in your waist band, gun pocket in a motorcycle jacket, throw it in a saddle bag etc. ? I did all the time before my motorcycle accident. There was nothing in the pocket that would possibly snag or catch the trigger for my Glock 27. I wore an Icon Contra Jacket. No, I don't leave guns in a saddle bag. Interesting as it has never bothered me to carry a decocked FS series Beretta in my waist band as the firing pin rolls out of the hammer area when decocted, I have never considered placing a loaded stryker fired weapon with out a safety in my gun pocket, but hey we all think a little different and I don't leave guns in my saddle bag either when I get of the Bike to go into a Restaurant, Motel etc I remove the decocked gun and place it in my waist band again (which I may do several times a day). Damn the more I think about this the more I realize the Beretta may be the perfect gun for me. ETA I do prefer my 96 over my 92 as I am a 40 S&W kind of guy.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 12:09:36 AM EDT
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I don't Mexican carry a handgun so I don't have an issue of retention. I don't want my gun to fall out of my pants.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:08:42 PM EDT
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I'm picking up my first XD, and I remember when they weren't Springfield's.
Have owned a couple of Glocks, their a nice beater or "looser" gun, which I figure the Springfield will be as well. Springfield feels much better in my smaller hands than the Glock, and that's nothing more than personal preference. However, for some reason people tend to forget that in the late 80's German and Italian semi auto handguns ran just fine prior to Glocks coming out. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:12:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm picking up my first XD, and I remember when they weren't Springfield's. Have owned a couple of Glocks, their a nice beater or "looser" gun, which I figure the Springfield will be as well. Springfield feels much better in my smaller hands than the Glock, and that's nothing more than personal preference. However, for some reason people tend to forget that in the late 80's German and Italian semi auto handguns ran just fine prior to Glocks coming out. Croatia isn't Germany, Belgium, or Italy. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 6:13:37 AM EDT
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Croatia isn't Germany, Belgium, or Italy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm picking up my first XD, and I remember when they weren't Springfield's. Have owned a couple of Glocks, their a nice beater or "looser" gun, which I figure the Springfield will be as well. Springfield feels much better in my smaller hands than the Glock, and that's nothing more than personal preference. However, for some reason people tend to forget that in the late 80's German and Italian semi auto handguns ran just fine prior to Glocks coming out. Croatia isn't Germany, Belgium, or Italy. My point, which apparently went right over your head per my reference to Germany and Italy, was the fact that Sig Sauers and Berettas were just as reliable as the Glocks. |
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Posted: 12/4/2015 11:56:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't carry any firearm like that. I did all the time before my motorcycle accident. There was nothing in the pocket that would possibly snag or catch the trigger for my Glock 27. I wore an Icon Contra Jacket. No, I don't leave guns in a saddle bag. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have an XD 45 Service with the thumb safety (BTW the thumb safety was the reason I bought this gun) if they offered some of the other models with a thumb safety I would by them also. I really like the gun and for the record I am not a gunfighter, just a guy that shoots a lot. Their version of the Safe Action System is fine, the firing pin block is fine. The grip safety isn't and neither is an additional manual safety. Only thing left for it is a cross bolt safety like the Bren Ten. You assume everyones needs are the same as yours. Simple question, would you carry a loaded Glock (or any other stryker fired without those redundant safety features) unholstered in your waist band, gun pocket in a motorcycle jacket, throw it in a saddle bag etc. ? I did all the time before my motorcycle accident. There was nothing in the pocket that would possibly snag or catch the trigger for my Glock 27. I wore an Icon Contra Jacket. No, I don't leave guns in a saddle bag. |
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Posted: 12/7/2015 5:49:41 AM EDT
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Nothing at all wrong with Springfields. I currently own a XD45 Tactical, and a 1911. Both have fairly high round counts, and I don't recall having any kind of failure from either of them. Haters will always be haters!!
 I have fired Glocks, M&P's, and other similar types. But, the Springfields seem to fit my hand the best. In the end, its mostly more about personal preference than anything.
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Posted: 12/7/2015 4:48:14 PM EDT
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You can walk in to an Academy store here and pick up an XD for $400-$425 any day. I've carried Glocks as duty guns (G27, G19, G22) and have nothing but respect for them as far as reliability but the only one I achieved any great accuracy with was actually the G27. I don't dry fire much at all, with or without caps, except to check function so while I'll upgrade the pin, I don't see nearly enough reports of the pin breaking to cause me any distress. I was actually surprised there were not more stories of the loaded chamber indicator breaking after I looked at the innards.. Pros (over Glock): It hits where I point it. Fits my hand more like a CZ, friendly grip angle Trigger doesn't feel like a toy, maybe because there is IMHO less plastic (?) Controls are more robust design and are more friendly (and metal in the case of the mag release) frame feels more substantial and has full rails (my preference) One of the best finishes I've seen on handgun, and I've given it every reason to rust in South TX/Gulf Coast heat and humidity. Obviously the first gen had issues but that was years ago. Standard sights are metal unlike the Glock. I don't even notice the grip safety and haven't been able to create a situation where the weapon wouldn't fire (reasonably) because of my grip That's a very good list of the pros of XDs over glocks. I've owned a few Glocks and an XD and an XDM. After detail stripping all of them, I'm quite confident in saying that the Springfields are made with higher quality components and are just simply higher quality products, albeit not by a wide margin. Another frequently repeated bit of XD hate is that you're paying $500 for a $300 gun. This is technically true, but it's no different that Glock in this regard. Back in the day you could purchase a hs2000 for quite a bit less, but you didn't have the warranty and support services of Springfield backing it up, and this certainly adds value and costs money. The same thing can be see when comparing prices of the old Daewoo K5 vs the Lionheart-branded versions. If Glocks had originally come into the country in a similar fashion, you'd have seen a similar price difference. In reality both XDs and Glocks are $300 pistols selling for about $500 retail. While I do think that Springfields are higher quality, I'd probably lean towards Glock if I were outfitted a department, since Glocks have much better aftermarket support, wider availability of parts, and are easier to service. For and individual it comes down to a matter of taste. For me, the XDM has overtaken the Glock for defensive use when I choose to carry a full-size pistol, mostly for ergonomic reasons (points more naturally for me and the grip texturing strikes the perfect balance between grippiness and not sticking to clothing. ) |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 5:49:39 PM EDT
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The grip safety haters would stroke out if they shot my XD. It also has a thumb safety.
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Posted: 12/9/2015 11:24:59 AM EDT
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My first semi-auto handgun was a XD9 4in, then a XDS45 when they first hit.
I made fun of my buddies with Glocks, touting the extra features of the XD. I was a Springfield Fanboy. I picked up a G26 G3, and shot it better than my full sized XD9. I sold off my XD's and never looked back. I have 9 glocks now. My only remaining Springfield is a Range officer in 9mm. I just shoot Glocks better, they fit me better, and I don't think the triggers even compare. Both guns are reliable, but I only have a few thousand rounds through XD's, whereas I've got over 50k through my G34 alone. My final Thought, I think the XD is a good imitation of a glock, but they tried too hard to add features that glock didn't have. The grip safety isn't needed, neither is the firing pin indicator. If you're trying to hit that market, why try so hard to make a gun similar, yet different. |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 11:21:01 PM EDT
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I love my XD45.
The XD series of pistols just plain fit my hand better. As a result I shoot better with them than Glock or S&W. Looking at the internals it's really not much different than a Glock or my Sig Pro. I've never had a malfunction and the grip safety isn't an issue in any way. |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 10:21:50 AM EDT
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This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I did the LGS thing most people that bought XDs were not typical gun people and were intimidated by the glock safety. This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. I saw a shooting show on Thunder Ranch. Where Clint Smith was using a 5." Tactical XD. I am sure he fires a lot of rounds. |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 10:22:26 AM EDT
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Grip zone lmao.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 3:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't make their 1911s either. They're all IMBEL production. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To the OP subject line: because they're big and heavy with sharp edges and tacticool styling, and have low mag capacity and a silly high bore axis compared to an equivalent Glock or M&P. They have a "cocked" indicator, as if you could somehow have it un-cocked.  Also grip safety (marketing gimmick). They're a consumer-grade, consumer-marketed pistol that some agencies allow, vs LE/Mil-grade pistol that is also available to consumers. I say all this loving Springfield 1911s. But then again Springfield doesn't make XDs... |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 3:35:19 PM EDT
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I love some of the comments....
XD is "Made in Croatia" So.... I'm a Mech. Eng and have been in design and manufacturing for 30 yrs now. Quality is about materials and process. It has NOTHING to do with the country of manufacture! A CNC machine does not care what country it is in. If it holds 0.0005", it will do it anywhere. Most would agree that MAC Tools are professional grade / quality tools. Guess what, they are now Made in CHINA. Does that mean they are inferior in quality to the US Made MAC Tools of yesterday. Not at all -> materials and process..... You could argue Made is Croatia has the 'no support issue' because it is foreign country. Austria is only 25 miles or so from Croatia. This true of all foreign made products. If you are worried about this aspect, buy a spare for parts / back up (which IMO you should have anyway regardless of brand). I have had both Glock and XD. I took both completely apart. IMO both have similar construction and design quality. I now only have XD. Why? I shoot it far better. It fits my hand better. If I picked a spot on the wall, close my eyes, point at it, then open my eyes. I was always pointing high with the Glock and almost dead on with the XD. So I guess the XD has 'natural point' for me. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:16:30 PM EDT
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I love some of the comments.... XD is "Made in Croatia" So.... Agreed. Additionally, some would be best served learning their history. Croatia and the other areas that made up the former state of Czechoslovakia have a very long history of making some of the finest firearms in the world. It is part of their culture and heritage. Hitler wanted it badly during WWII for precisely that reason. The Skoda Works was located there and was the most advanced weapons plant in the world. If country of manufacture were a consideration, I would absolutely be MORE inclined to by a weapon made in Croatia. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:46:31 PM EDT
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Made in Croatia? Hell, they have been shooting each other over there so long they have gun design all figured out.
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Posted: 12/25/2015 2:16:39 PM EDT
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biggest problems i've seen w/ XDs:
-mags (they work great...til you use them in any sort of non-clean area...the mags are very prone to locking up...i've seen literally a grain of sand stop the bullets from feeding in its tracks numerous times) -grip safety: i get why its there...its stupid on ANY modern design imo and i've seen a couple instances where if the internals f*ck up, the grips safety makes your gun really safe...ie: useless -*parts availability: as i understand since i've since left XDs, the parts market has expanded...but, the guns themselves are still a PITA to work on yourself...so send it back to SA! other than that, nothing really wrong w/ them at all imo |
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Posted: 12/25/2015 2:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Additionally, some would be best served learning their history. Croatia and the other areas that made up the former state of Czechoslovakia have a very long history of making some of the finest firearms in the world. It is part of their culture and heritage. Hitler wanted it badly during WWII for precisely that reason. The Skoda Works was located there and was the most advanced weapons plant in the world. If country of manufacture were a consideration, I would absolutely be MORE inclined to by a weapon made in Croatia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love some of the comments.... XD is "Made in Croatia" So.... Agreed. Additionally, some would be best served learning their history. Croatia and the other areas that made up the former state of Czechoslovakia have a very long history of making some of the finest firearms in the world. It is part of their culture and heritage. Hitler wanted it badly during WWII for precisely that reason. The Skoda Works was located there and was the most advanced weapons plant in the world. If country of manufacture were a consideration, I would absolutely be MORE inclined to by a weapon made in Croatia. Learn your history. |
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Posted: 12/26/2015 5:34:07 PM EDT
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[Croatia has nothing to do with Czechaslovkia... they were part of Yugoslavia.... the Kingdom of Servs and Croats.
Learn your history. My mistake. You are correct. Both share a lot of common characteristics. My major point was a long history of excellence in firearms manufacturing. |
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Posted: 12/26/2015 9:35:25 PM EDT
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Since I first posted this I had 800 rounds through the XD-9. I now have 2,000 flawless round through the gun now. No problems at all what so ever and I have sent it to the Springfield custom shop to the carry package done to it. Which includes a 4.5 lb trigger and night sights. The gun is very accurate I can achieve head shots at 30 ft with ease. It has been reliable and accurate I don't know what else more you want from a gun. I really think that 2,000 rounds is a good test for a firearm. Anyways, I thought I would post this quick update to prove to everyone that the xd is a great and reliable gun. This thread has gotten more popular then I could of ever have thought.
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Posted: 1/1/2016 11:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: [Croatia has nothing to do with Czechaslovkia... they were part of Yugoslavia.... the Kingdom of Servs and Croats. Learn your history. My mistake. You are correct. Both share a lot of common characteristics. My major point was a long history of excellence in firearms manufacturing. |
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Posted: 1/1/2016 11:54:21 PM EDT
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Skoda Works has nothing to due with Yugoslavia. It appears that you're entire perception is based on the Czechs. Which have a history of fine weapon design and development. The Yugos are more of a bunch of cloners and get help from outside parties. FN and then the USSR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/2/2016 11:45:35 PM EDT
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I'm new to handguns. I was all into the Glock is the best gun out there, but I got some good advice, pick the gun that feels good in your hand. So I went to the gun store, tried the Glock, felt like a brick in my hand, tried S&W, liked it but then the XDM was my next choice and my search was over, it felt just right. Took it to the range and right from the start I was able to hit close groups where I wanted them. I absolutely love this gun. That said the Glock is a great weapon too so to each his own. Don't understand the hate for the grip safety either, I mean your hand is already there when positioned properly, correct?
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Posted: 1/4/2016 5:52:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's Serbs and Croats. If you are going to call someone out in a tech forum, do it correctly please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: [Croatia has nothing to do with Czechaslovkia... they were part of Yugoslavia.... the Kingdom of Servs and Croats. Learn your history. My mistake. You are correct. Both share a lot of common characteristics. My major point was a long history of excellence in firearms manufacturing. And it's Serbs and Croats. If you are going to call someone out in a tech forum, do it correctly please.  |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 6:02:01 PM EDT
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I'm new to handguns. I was all into the Glock is the best gun out there, but I got some good advice, pick the gun that feels good in your hand. So I went to the gun store, tried the Glock, felt like a brick in my hand, tried S&W, liked it but then the XDM was my next choice and my search was over, it felt just right. Took it to the range and right from the start I was able to hit close groups where I wanted them. I absolutely love this gun. That said the Glock is a great weapon too so to each his own. Don't understand the hate for the grip safety either, I mean your hand is already there when positioned properly, correct? Anyways love this gun! Same basic story. I had a G19 and 'learned' to shoot it well but it never felt right. Went to Cabelas and handled every similar gun in the store. When I picked up the XD, it just clicked. Bought it - put two boxes thru it and then took it to Front Sight for a 4 day pistol course. Shot this - 1" paster - 5 or 7m line - 5 rnds - one hole --- Had to get up in front of the class and blah, blah about the rules of accurate shooting. No way I could have done that with the Glock.... 
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Posted: 1/5/2016 11:05:54 PM EDT
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I don't mind the guns and don't much care where they are from. I like the original 4" service sized XD (and Mod 2) over Glock and the M&P line. I wouldn't call it a "Glock with a grip safety" or clone or what have you as they are made quite differently. The XDM series is a bit too funky, but there's no doubt that they are good, serviceable guns.
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Posted: 1/6/2016 8:42:39 PM EDT
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I'm picking up my first XD, and I remember when they weren't Springfield's. Have owned a couple of Glocks, their a nice beater or "looser" gun, which I figure the Springfield will be as well. Springfield feels much better in my smaller hands than the Glock, and that's nothing more than personal preference. However, for some reason people tend to forget that in the late 80's German and Italian semi auto handguns ran just fine prior to Glocks coming out. Croatia isn't Germany, Belgium, or Italy. I'm sure in Croatia they have computers, SPC Quality Control, modern CNC machines and CMMs. They have college-educated mechanical engineers and metallurgists. I think if you give them time, they will develop a track record just like Glock, H&K and SIG. I did NOT mention Italy, because the Beretta has a long history of cracked slides and broken firing pins. Sorry, buy when it comes to semi-auto pistols, the Beretta is not in the same league as H&K, SIg or even the XD line. |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:06:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2016 5:57:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure in Croatia they have computers, SPC Quality Control, modern CNC machines and CMMs. They have college-educated mechanical engineers and metallurgists. I think if you give them time, they will develop a track record just like Glock, H&K and SIG. I did NOT mention Italy, because the Beretta has a long history of cracked slides and broken firing pins. Sorry, buy when it comes to semi-auto pistols, the Beretta is not in the same league as H&K, SIg or even the XD line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm picking up my first XD, and I remember when they weren't Springfield's. Have owned a couple of Glocks, their a nice beater or "looser" gun, which I figure the Springfield will be as well. Springfield feels much better in my smaller hands than the Glock, and that's nothing more than personal preference. However, for some reason people tend to forget that in the late 80's German and Italian semi auto handguns ran just fine prior to Glocks coming out. Croatia isn't Germany, Belgium, or Italy. I'm sure in Croatia they have computers, SPC Quality Control, modern CNC machines and CMMs. They have college-educated mechanical engineers and metallurgists. I think if you give them time, they will develop a track record just like Glock, H&K and SIG. I did NOT mention Italy, because the Beretta has a long history of cracked slides and broken firing pins. Sorry, buy when it comes to semi-auto pistols, the Beretta is not in the same league as H&K, SIg or even the XD line. |
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