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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:01:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:58:21 PM EDT
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I love my XD40 Tactical so much, I just bought the same in 45acp.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 4:32:33 PM EDT
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The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 5:58:51 PM EDT
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The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I feel like the "practically a Glock with a grip safety" aspect turns most people off, I don't see a reason for a grip safety on my G19... |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:02:45 PM EDT
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It's not the gun, it's the owners.
Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:30:32 PM EDT
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It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. My duty glock 21 required 3000 rounds before I could carry it. I'm around the 15000 mark now lol |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:33:07 PM EDT
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It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. You with your Glock, me with my XDs...multiple times...multiple courses/matches/long shooting weekends of practice. I don't hate Glock or Glock owners, I just prefer the XD/XDM/XDS line. You are coming across as the exact same person you are describing above. Project much? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:35:38 PM EDT
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The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. Me too, and they cost more than a Glock. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:45:06 PM EDT
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I liked the grip safety when i bought my XD45 back in the day. That was an easy shooting and reliable pistol. I traded it away about five years ago. That being said, every XD I've handled feels cheap compared to M&Ps or Glocks. Not to mention, they are often more expensive than the aforementioned M&P or Glock.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 7:10:41 PM EDT
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You with your Glock, me with my XDs...multiple times...multiple courses/matches/long shooting weekends of practice. I don't hate Glock or Glock owners, I just prefer the XD/XDM/XDS line. You are coming across as the exact same person you are describing above. Project much? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. You with your Glock, me with my XDs...multiple times...multiple courses/matches/long shooting weekends of practice. I don't hate Glock or Glock owners, I just prefer the XD/XDM/XDS line. You are coming across as the exact same person you are describing above. Project much? That's what I was thinking..... |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 7:14:22 PM EDT
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When I did the LGS thing most people that bought XDs were not typical gun people and were intimidated by the glock safety.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 7:14:59 PM EDT
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You with your Glock, me with my XDs...multiple times...multiple courses/matches/long shooting weekends of practice. I don't hate Glock or Glock owners, I just prefer the XD/XDM/XDS line. You are coming across as the exact same person you are describing above. Project much? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. You with your Glock, me with my XDs...multiple times...multiple courses/matches/long shooting weekends of practice. I don't hate Glock or Glock owners, I just prefer the XD/XDM/XDS line. You are coming across as the exact same person you are describing above. Project much? I'm gonna need you to flowchart that for me. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 11:01:39 PM EDT
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I like 45... The G21 always had the drawback of needing huge mits to wrap around the grip. I finally bought one for duty but so many other guns felt better, the XD, M&P and even the Taurus fit my hand better in the 45. Glock finally felt the pressure and came out with the SF probably like the day after I picked up my 21
 ... I sold my 21 and picked up the SF about 6 months later.
Springfield has good customer service. Other than one recall, I haven't heard of any ongoing issues with the XD and I could see why someone would prefer them even over a Gen 4 Glock. Probably the only real negative I can point to personally are mags, I like the Glock polymer coated Stainless reinforced design, the are inexpensive, plentiful and durable. I'm sure the metal mags of the XD are good but I think their is an edge to Glock there. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 11:09:52 PM EDT
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When I did the LGS thing most people that bought XDs were not typical gun people and were intimidated by the glock safety. This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 11:58:06 PM EDT
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I have nearly 40,000 rds in a XD-40 Tactical. Worn out or broke a few springs over the years but otherwise its been a very reliable Limited-10 and 3-gun pistol since 2006.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 12:11:17 AM EDT
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If you need the approval of us forum monkeys to enjoy your XD then you are doing it wrong.
 No hate here although I owned an XD when they first came out and got rid of it because the "as good as a Glock" slide rusted whenever you looked at it wrong. I guess the Croatians had to up their game and put a decent coating on the slides. They are an okay pistol but why? There is a ton more aftermarket support for a Glock and M&P than there is for the XD pistol. Now the HK VP series has entered the market and is going to give them all a run for their money. The big question I have is what large police agency has adopted the XD? |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 7:08:33 AM EDT
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If you need the approval of us forum monkeys to enjoy your XD then you are doing it wrong.
No hate here although I owned an XD when they first came out and got rid of it because the "as good as a Glock" slide rusted whenever you looked at it wrong. I guess the Croatians had to up their game and put a decent coating on the slides. They are an okay pistol but why? There is a ton more aftermarket support for a Glock and M&P than there is for the XD pistol. Now the HK VP series has entered the market and is going to give them all a run for their money. The big question I have is what large police agency has adopted the XD? I do know that Chicago pd allows them to be carry as a personal side arm but it's not issued. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 7:37:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 7:56:09 AM EDT
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This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I did the LGS thing most people that bought XDs were not typical gun people and were intimidated by the glock safety. This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. Okay, I'll play. WHAT classes? WHAT instructors? Gunsite? Clint Smith? Travis Haley? Because NONE of them say XDs fail with more regularity than Glocks or M&Ps. NONE. But, you seem knowledgeable with lots of first hand experience, so what classes and what instructors? I've shot in plenty of matches and classes, and the only pistol I can point to that has more problems than others are 1911s...and I wouldn't say it's exponentially more often either. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:02:20 AM EDT
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Okay, I'll play. WHAT classes? WHAT instructors? Gunsite? Clint Smith? Travis Haley? Because NONE of them say XDs fail with more regularity than Glocks or M&Ps. NONE. But, you seem knowledgeable with lots of first hand experience, so what classes and what instructors? I've shot in plenty of matches and classes, and the only pistol I can point to that has more problems than others are 1911s...and I wouldn't say it's exponentially more often either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I did the LGS thing most people that bought XDs were not typical gun people and were intimidated by the glock safety. This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. Okay, I'll play. WHAT classes? WHAT instructors? Gunsite? Clint Smith? Travis Haley? Because NONE of them say XDs fail with more regularity than Glocks or M&Ps. NONE. But, you seem knowledgeable with lots of first hand experience, so what classes and what instructors? I've shot in plenty of matches and classes, and the only pistol I can point to that has more problems than others are 1911s...and I wouldn't say it's exponentially more often either. Oh yay a pissing match in a tech forum. Fun |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:09:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why I sold my XD45. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:19:13 AM EDT
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I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:21:30 AM EDT
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It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. So what you're saying is that the problem is Glock fan boys. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:23:00 AM EDT
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And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. Hello pot meet kettle. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:27:44 AM EDT
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$298 Slav Squat pistol is not worth $500 due to name change
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:30:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. I didn't ask anyone to bow down to the XD alter. But the grip safety is a non-issue that only haters bring up. If you don't want an XD and like something else that is just fine. But to say you like the XD but the grip safety is a deal breaker clearly points to the fact that you have not actually run an XD for any length of time. It's a bull shit reason. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:35:12 AM EDT
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It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's not the gun, it's the owners. Most of them want to own a glock, but they hate glock owners so much that they buy a wannabe glock and try and prove it's the same thing with silly statements like this "I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun" I've put more rounds than that through a glock in one two day shooting class. Glocks are found in the holsters of Federal, state, county, and local LE officers, as well as armed forces around the world; including nearly every element of SOCOM and JSOC. M&Ps are in the holsters of many large LEAs and seem to be a favorite among top-level trainers. XD's are typically found in the uncle mikes holsters of ungroomed open carriers everywhere. I'm not sure more than a couple smaller local agencies issue the XD. Quoted:
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When I did the LGS thing most people that bought XDs were not typical gun people and were intimidated by the glock safety. This is part of it. I also hear XD owners talk about how they feel better in the hand. No that being said. Look at all the custom builders and see what they specialize in when it comes to polymer guns. M&P and/or Glock. Now ask anybody who seriously shoots a LOT of rounds in adverse conditions like classes etc and ask seasoned instructors and what guns they see break the most vs run through everything. Now list all of the LE depts. fielding them vs. M&P, Sig or, Glock. Thats your real answer. For your casual shooter that needs an HD/SD gun they are perfectly acceptable. But I hear consistently they don't hold up over consistently long beatings in classes etc. I personally dont like the feel of them and think they feel very unbalanced, Balance is one of the most underrated qualities of a combat handgun. Okay, I'll play. WHAT classes? WHAT instructors? Gunsite? Clint Smith? Travis Haley? Because NONE of them say XDs fail with more regularity than Glocks or M&Ps. NONE. But, you seem knowledgeable with lots of first hand experience, so what classes and what instructors? I've shot in plenty of matches and classes, and the only pistol I can point to that has more problems than others are 1911s...and I wouldn't say it's exponentially more often either. IIRC I've heard some non-complimentary things about them from Pat Rogers. XDs are the "not Glocks". The same people who's go to rifles are the "not AR" SIG 556s, Mini-14s, or Tapco-ed SKSs seem to have some reason why the best proven choices are inferior to their personal niche pet favorite that has no major adoption or professional usage. It's sort of the mentalit I see reading comments on Military Arms Channel whenever he posts a new $250 rifle or pistol made in some middle eastern or former soviet country. It's the same mentality that gave the Carcal a voice and can't wait for the newest rev, because somehow it will be the best thing ever even though Carcal has proven it can't make a pistol without a massive fatal safety flaw. Glocks, SIGs, M&Ps, Berettas, and HKs. I applaud the effort to make a "better" pistol, but I see very little reason to wander outside of those 5 without it being proven by organizations and major trainers. I don't own a Glock, but I am constantly leaning that way just to make sure I have guns, parts, mags, and available aftermarket, like I do with my ARs. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 9:44:39 AM EDT
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Oh yay a pissing match in a tech forum. Fun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't ask anyone to bow down to the XD alter. But the grip safety is a non-issue that only haters bring up. If you don't want an XD and like something else that is just fine. But to say you like the XD but the grip safety is a deal breaker clearly points to the fact that you have not actually run an XD for any length of time. It's a bull shit reason. I've read several places where people don't like the 1911 grip safety. In fact, you can find services that will pin the grip safety (I don't condone the deactivation of ANY factory safety system.) There was a thread on here a couple years ago where a guy was in a DGU and had his hand shot (or broken?) and couldn't grip the gun properly. That's been a favorite anecdote of those who don't favor the grip safety. Of course it's the "haters" that bring it up. If you don't like a design aspect of the gun, of course you won't like that gun. That's an asinine argument and completely pointless insult. 
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:37:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 1:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I liked how the the XD shot, I just dont like safeties. The only thing that should be between me and defending myself is my trigger finger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 1:57:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2015 2:00:49 PM EDT
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It's not that they are bad pistols. It's just that they are over priced.
It's like Remington buying the rights to the Canik TP9SA/V2/SF and charging $500 because their name is on it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 2:07:39 PM EDT
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And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The grip safety is the dealbreaker for me. I always hear this but have never seen and XD grip safety cause an issue in real life. 1911's have grip safeties and no one bitches about them. I have had four XD's, still own three. I have an XD-40 in all three sizes and and XD-45ACP Tactical (traded for a S&W 627) and in probably 60,000 rds across all four handguns I can't think of any time where the grip safety has stopped me from doing anything. That includes USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun matches; CCW training and practice and general carry both concealed and around the family farm. It has been completely transparent to my use of the XD. Its a good excuse for a hater to not buy an XD but in reality its pretty much a non issue. And yet again, an XD owner getting overly sensitive and calling everyone who doesn't bow down at the XD altar a hater. This is just like pickup truck arguments - Ford, GM and Dodge all build great pickup trucks. And yet people will fight to the death arguing that one is better than the other. I never understood that. And my personal belief is that the most vocal people are the ones trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice. When I was first in the market for a .45 polymer pistol, I rented all three (M&P, Glock and XD) and shot them back to back. I shot them all pretty well, and I actually shot the XD the best. It's not like I shot the other two poorly, but I chose the Glock on the totality of facts. The XD isn't a bad pistol; it's just not my first choice. 
The only sensitivity I see is from you. I own like 10 Glocks, but greatly prefer XDs when dealing with .45s as they don't feel like holding a 2x4. Can't wait till they come out with one in 10mm. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 2:28:18 PM EDT
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Argument... Going... Nowhere.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 2:47:12 PM EDT
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Do NOT lube the firing pin channel. Had FTF in two separate pistols because of this and was almost injured by a charging wild boar because of it.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 2:55:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2015 2:56:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not that they are bad pistols. It's just that they are over priced. It's like Remington buying the rights to the Canik TP9SA/V2/SF and charging $500 because their name is on it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 3:00:22 PM EDT
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$298 Slav Squat pistol is not worth $500 due to name change but what if you picked one up for $185, would it be worth it..... edit mispelling |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 3:03:24 PM EDT
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Over 3k flawless rounds through my XDm. Carry it in the winter, love it.
OP, if the grip safety doesn't bother you, forget what the others say and shoot the shit out of yours. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 3:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but what if you picked one up for $185, would it be worth it..... edit mispelling Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $298 Slav Squat pistol is not worth $500 due to name change but what if you picked one up for $185, would it be worth it..... edit mispelling |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 3:52:24 PM EDT
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I had two XD's. An XD45 Tactical and XD45 Service.
Nothing inherently wrong with them. They went bang and were reasonably accurate. After awhile they started to remind me of the firearms equivalent of beige. Kinda of dull and boring. Kinda clunky too. I sold both of them and went back to my old beat-up Commander. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 6:37:37 PM EDT
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Over 3k flawless rounds through my XDm. Carry it in the winter, love it. OP, if the grip safety doesn't bother you, forget what the others say and shoot the shit out of yours. I like the grip safety a lot and it's not a big pain at all |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 7:29:01 PM EDT
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People talk about all the mods that you can do to Glock and M&P usually that means an inferior product. I have a glock and a SA and I like them both. If there is anyone that wants to be a test Dummy for me and my SA let me no.
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:06:20 PM EDT
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I love these threads.
 Anyone who has an inferior XD line pistol(s) that's contemplating selling theirs let me know.I wouldn't mind adding another one or two the range bag.
Haven't had any issues with either my XDm9 or my XD45 Service both of which easily have over 5K rounds. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:23:56 PM EDT
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I love these threads. Anyone who has an inferior XD line pistol(s) that's contemplating selling theirs let me know.I wouldn't mind adding another one or two the range bag.
Haven't had any issues with either my XDm9 or my XD45 Service both of which easily have over 5K rounds. If we are going there......Anyone looking to dump an XD9 Subcompact or XD9 Mod.2 Subcompact (with - yes- GRIP ZONE!), I will gladly give you some cash to take it off your hands. 
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Posted: 9/23/2015 11:09:40 PM EDT
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I purchased new, an older XDm 9mm. I thought the trigger sucked...put in Springer Precision....trigger still sucks
 Pistol shoots great and I have used it for several classes. I recently purchased an XDm 45. The trigger is great and it is an awesome shooter. For my ccw I carry a Glock 30s. After I tried on the XD models, the Glock fit my hand the best...sooo now I picked up a G17 it was a refurb with a threaded barrel, waiting to shoot this one with my Osprey on it. I also on a few 1911s. Love these and the way they shoot!....I like them all...except that Taurus .38 I got rid of that pretty quick. Almost felt I should throw it away so it won't disappoint anyone else.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:18:45 PM EDT
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The best responses are basically arguing that since Glocks, M&Ps, Sigs, etc are widely adopted by military and police, that the XD must be inferior. I can see some merit to the argument assuming that these pistols were adopted after extensive testing and experience. But, I haven't seen any evaluations that included the XD series.
If the internet existed back when Glocks entered the scene, I'm sure there would have been similar posts about all the "Glock hate." Which would have included the same arguments. Especially against some plastic gun that was made in Austria. Obviously, over many years, Glocks have proved to be one of the iconic modern pistols of all time. Which leads to another argument that I haven't seen any real support for: they are made in Croatia. So what? The XDm runs well based on many reports and youtube torture tests. I've heard anecdotal accounts that they are not reliable, but not nearly enough for me to think that those instances were representative of the design. The concern over the roll pin is the only issue that I've heard about consistently, but even then it's mostly people concerned about the potential failure, not that it actually happened to them. Another argument is that it's overpriced. That's more of an opinion. Compare a Glock to a Sig, and the Sig would be overpriced in many people's opinions. Essentially, I haven't seen any good reasons for "the hate," it appears to boil down to opinion. Give it another 5-10 years, and perhaps the XDs will garner a reputation close to that of Glock. But Glock's reputation was earned over time with lots of hard testing and use. It will be hard for Xds to earn that reputation for themselves since they are not inherently better than the competition, as Glock was when it came out. |
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:28:24 PM EDT
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I have 800 FLAWLESS rounds through my xd 9 and I have found it to be a great gun. What is with all the hate towards them I go on YouTube and see crazy torture tests done to them. They always pass too but when you get onto the forums all hell breaks loose. Can anyone explain this to me and maybe post a round count please I'm just curious? Thanks Not Glock. |
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:36:17 PM EDT
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I'll take an XD over a Glock. Don't have either - took a P99 over an XD.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:58:18 PM EDT
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I own a Glock and Xds
I think both are great handguns. Glock is Gen 3 22 .40cal the XDs are subcompact 9 and 40 Got both the XDs really cheap for around $300ea - both were like new / used when I nabbed them. Doubt I would pay top dollar for one... but at the price I got them I am happy. |
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