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Posted: 9/30/2016 5:11:48 PM EDT
Anyone here plan to pick one of these up when they become available?
I recently heard an interview with Grant Cunningham on these revolvers and the user adjustable trigger intrigues me. Also they say that the DLC coating they use is so tough that they don't develop a cylinder line. Yes I know they are expensive. But suggested retail is about the same as a Colt Python with no rust and revolver enthusiasts never shut up about those. |
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The only one that is even remotely interesting to me is the Skyhawk. They actually built a revolver around the 9x19mm cartridge and that has me interested. The cylinder and frame are shortened to take advantage of the shorter cartridge. The pictures on the website are for the 2-inch version. I would like to see what the 3-inch version looks like when they release it. That would make for a nice tractor/woods revolver that could be feed lots of cheap ammo. It looks a bit to bulky for pocket carry. Wonder if they will do a smaller five shot version?
The other two are so boring, especially in light of how expensive they are. A 6-shot 357mag is BORING . Make me something interesting. Make an 8 shot to compete with S&W 627/327/R8 revolvers. That I could actually compete in USPSA with. Make one in 10mm Mag/10mm AUTO/40S&W. Mall Ninja would rejoice. Even 45ACP moonclip gun with a 4 inch barrel would be fun in IDPA. A 44 Mag would be better if your going to only give me a 6 shooter. But for the price of a Korth 6-shot 357 mag I can New York City reload with four good S&W revolvers. |
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I would love to have the 4" .357 Mongoose
http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/korth-revolvers-1/mongoose-357 But for $3,500 I can buy a collection of S&W K/L frames. |
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Ever see the last Korth USA price list? Nothing under $4K. Lots up in the $5K - $6K range.
This is a hand made revolver. Not a production piece. Value is a very subjective thing. Is a Rolex watch worth the price of entry? Do you just want to tell time or do you like owning something that represents the best the industrialized world can produce? If all I want to do is send a .355 to .357 projectile downrange I can do that with a perfectly functional and utilitarian Glock. Or I can enjoy it a bit more with a nice Smith and Wesson. Or maybe I will enjoy something like a Korth enough over my lifetime to justify $3500. Plus some Nill grips (Hogue rubber? Really?). As for lasers, mounts, vent ribs.. thank you Nighthawk for having the insight not to do that. I can't imagine a better woods gun than a Korth 4" .357 revolver. And if I can swing one of these, I think it's going to be a real pleasure to own and shoot. |
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also.
You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. |
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Quoted: Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. View Quote If Korth starts with forging on their regular revolvers then I would expect Nighthawk Korths to start with the same forgings. It would make no sense to try to make "cheaper" by starting from billet, especially if you already have forgings at hand. Billet is more expensive at all but very low volume. You forge parts primarily as a cost savings the increased material properties are a minimal secondary bonus. In either case I would expect CNC machining of the parts to finish shape. |
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. View Quote I was, and still am thinking about the Manurhin. However I talked to one of the outfits that imports them a few weeks ago and the wait would be many months long. I am also concerned about the lack of replacement parts and service. That's one of the things I like about this deal with nighthawk. They will provide at least some degree of service. Even if it is most likely going to be pricey. |
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I was, and still am thinking about the Manurhin. However I talked to one of the outfits that imports them a few weeks ago and the wait would be many months long. I am also concerned about the lack of replacement parts and service. That's one of the things I like about this deal with nighthawk. They will provide at least some degree of service. Even if it is most likely going to be pricey. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. I was, and still am thinking about the Manurhin. However I talked to one of the outfits that imports them a few weeks ago and the wait would be many months long. I am also concerned about the lack of replacement parts and service. That's one of the things I like about this deal with nighthawk. They will provide at least some degree of service. Even if it is most likely going to be pricey. Replacement parts are available, yes, the wait is long. Usually the wait is 1 year, but, there is an importer who orders large batches about every 6 months. I called and ordered mine and will only had to wait 6 months. I should have it late Dec. or early Jan. |
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If Korth starts with forging on their regular revolvers then I would expect Nighthawk Korths to start with the same forgings. It would make no sense to try to make "cheaper" by starting from billet, especially if you already have forgings at hand. Billet is more expensive at all but very low volume. You forge parts primarily as a cost savings the increased material properties are a minimal secondary bonus. In either case I would expect CNC machining of the parts to finish shape. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. If Korth starts with forging on their regular revolvers then I would expect Nighthawk Korths to start with the same forgings. It would make no sense to try to make "cheaper" by starting from billet, especially if you already have forgings at hand. Billet is more expensive at all but very low volume. You forge parts primarily as a cost savings the increased material properties are a minimal secondary bonus. In either case I would expect CNC machining of the parts to finish shape. The Nighthawk Korth revolvers are not made special for Nighthawk, they are the National Standard line. On the National Standard line they start with billet, not forgings, and the CNC machining minimizes hand fitting. Here is a quote from Michael Zeleny, a very well known Korth enthusiast: "I fired the Korth-badged versions of these revolvers at this year’s SHOT Show. There were some teething problems with some of the guns on the stand, but the ones that worked did a good job of approximating the feel of what Korth Lollar calls its Classic line, at half the price. Compared to the Ratzeburg originals, it is a different design wherein the cylinder rotates the wrong way, with its latch moved from the back to the side; made of different materials, i.e. CNC billet rather than ground forgings. Also, according to Korth, the National Standard is designed to minimize hand-fitting. They seem to be angling for what Manurhin did with its MR93, namely just-in-time assembly out of closely toleranced parts. Of course, that futuristic revolver was a “clean sheet” design adapted for casting technologies, not a simplification of an existing design for CNC manufacture. Also, whereas Manurhin got out of the gun-building business as a result of banking on the MR93 just as “wondernines” came to dominate the administrative procurement market, Korth Lollar has a better chance of enduring within the sport shooting niche." Still, for those who want a Korth at half the price, this is a good choice. |
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Quoted: The Nighthawk Korth revolvers are not made special for Nighthawk, they are the National Standard line. On the National Standard line they start with billet, not forgings, and the CNC machining minimizes hand fitting. Here is a quote from Michael Zeleny, a very well known Korth enthusiast: "I fired the Korth-badged versions of these revolvers at this year’s SHOT Show. There were some teething problems with some of the guns on the stand, but the ones that worked did a good job of approximating the feel of what Korth Lollar calls its Classic line, at half the price. Compared to the Ratzeburg originals, it is a different design wherein the cylinder rotates the wrong way, with its latch moved from the back to the side; made of different materials, i.e. CNC billet rather than ground forgings. Also, according to Korth, the National Standard is designed to minimize hand-fitting. They seem to be angling for what Manurhin did with its MR93, namely just-in-time assembly out of closely toleranced parts. Of course, that futuristic revolver was a "clean sheet” design adapted for casting technologies, not a simplification of an existing design for CNC manufacture. Also, whereas Manurhin got out of the gun-building business as a result of banking on the MR93 just as "wondernines” came to dominate the administrative procurement market, Korth Lollar has a better chance of enduring within the sport shooting niche." Still, for those who want a Korth at half the price, this is a good choice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. If Korth starts with forging on their regular revolvers then I would expect Nighthawk Korths to start with the same forgings. It would make no sense to try to make "cheaper" by starting from billet, especially if you already have forgings at hand. Billet is more expensive at all but very low volume. You forge parts primarily as a cost savings the increased material properties are a minimal secondary bonus. In either case I would expect CNC machining of the parts to finish shape. The Nighthawk Korth revolvers are not made special for Nighthawk, they are the National Standard line. On the National Standard line they start with billet, not forgings, and the CNC machining minimizes hand fitting. Here is a quote from Michael Zeleny, a very well known Korth enthusiast: "I fired the Korth-badged versions of these revolvers at this year’s SHOT Show. There were some teething problems with some of the guns on the stand, but the ones that worked did a good job of approximating the feel of what Korth Lollar calls its Classic line, at half the price. Compared to the Ratzeburg originals, it is a different design wherein the cylinder rotates the wrong way, with its latch moved from the back to the side; made of different materials, i.e. CNC billet rather than ground forgings. Also, according to Korth, the National Standard is designed to minimize hand-fitting. They seem to be angling for what Manurhin did with its MR93, namely just-in-time assembly out of closely toleranced parts. Of course, that futuristic revolver was a "clean sheet” design adapted for casting technologies, not a simplification of an existing design for CNC manufacture. Also, whereas Manurhin got out of the gun-building business as a result of banking on the MR93 just as "wondernines” came to dominate the administrative procurement market, Korth Lollar has a better chance of enduring within the sport shooting niche." Still, for those who want a Korth at half the price, this is a good choice. That sound even less appealing. Paying that price for a completely new untested (to some degree) design for that price. |
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The crane set up screams of RG...............
I'm sure it's a quality piece, it just doesn't exude that sense due to it's design. |
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That sound even less appealing. Paying that price for a completely new untested (to some degree) design for that price. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. If Korth starts with forging on their regular revolvers then I would expect Nighthawk Korths to start with the same forgings. It would make no sense to try to make "cheaper" by starting from billet, especially if you already have forgings at hand. Billet is more expensive at all but very low volume. You forge parts primarily as a cost savings the increased material properties are a minimal secondary bonus. In either case I would expect CNC machining of the parts to finish shape. The Nighthawk Korth revolvers are not made special for Nighthawk, they are the National Standard line. On the National Standard line they start with billet, not forgings, and the CNC machining minimizes hand fitting. Here is a quote from Michael Zeleny, a very well known Korth enthusiast: "I fired the Korth-badged versions of these revolvers at this year’s SHOT Show. There were some teething problems with some of the guns on the stand, but the ones that worked did a good job of approximating the feel of what Korth Lollar calls its Classic line, at half the price. Compared to the Ratzeburg originals, it is a different design wherein the cylinder rotates the wrong way, with its latch moved from the back to the side; made of different materials, i.e. CNC billet rather than ground forgings. Also, according to Korth, the National Standard is designed to minimize hand-fitting. They seem to be angling for what Manurhin did with its MR93, namely just-in-time assembly out of closely toleranced parts. Of course, that futuristic revolver was a "clean sheet” design adapted for casting technologies, not a simplification of an existing design for CNC manufacture. Also, whereas Manurhin got out of the gun-building business as a result of banking on the MR93 just as "wondernines” came to dominate the administrative procurement market, Korth Lollar has a better chance of enduring within the sport shooting niche." Still, for those who want a Korth at half the price, this is a good choice. That sound even less appealing. Paying that price for a completely new untested (to some degree) design for that price. The National Standard line has been out for a while, they are a high end revolver, just not made to the same level as their top of the line models. |
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That sound even less appealing. Paying that price for a completely new untested (to some degree) design for that price. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. If Korth starts with forging on their regular revolvers then I would expect Nighthawk Korths to start with the same forgings. It would make no sense to try to make "cheaper" by starting from billet, especially if you already have forgings at hand. Billet is more expensive at all but very low volume. You forge parts primarily as a cost savings the increased material properties are a minimal secondary bonus. In either case I would expect CNC machining of the parts to finish shape. The Nighthawk Korth revolvers are not made special for Nighthawk, they are the National Standard line. On the National Standard line they start with billet, not forgings, and the CNC machining minimizes hand fitting. Here is a quote from Michael Zeleny, a very well known Korth enthusiast: "I fired the Korth-badged versions of these revolvers at this year’s SHOT Show. There were some teething problems with some of the guns on the stand, but the ones that worked did a good job of approximating the feel of what Korth Lollar calls its Classic line, at half the price. Compared to the Ratzeburg originals, it is a different design wherein the cylinder rotates the wrong way, with its latch moved from the back to the side; made of different materials, i.e. CNC billet rather than ground forgings. Also, according to Korth, the National Standard is designed to minimize hand-fitting. They seem to be angling for what Manurhin did with its MR93, namely just-in-time assembly out of closely toleranced parts. Of course, that futuristic revolver was a "clean sheet” design adapted for casting technologies, not a simplification of an existing design for CNC manufacture. Also, whereas Manurhin got out of the gun-building business as a result of banking on the MR93 just as "wondernines” came to dominate the administrative procurement market, Korth Lollar has a better chance of enduring within the sport shooting niche." Still, for those who want a Korth at half the price, this is a good choice. That sound even less appealing. Paying that price for a completely new untested (to some degree) design for that price. The National Standard line has been out for a while, they are a high end revolver, just not made to the same level as their top of the line models. |
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Hmm, hadn't noticed the crane being all that different.
What jumps out at me is the cylinder release. I really liked the looks of the original Korth behind the hammer release. |
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Is the Sky Hawk the least expensive handgun Nighthawk offers?
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When Korth had designed the Sky Marshall they had been unaware of how the ATF import point system works, as I found out in a conversation with their C.E.O., Mr. Weber. I have handled the new line of revolvers and seen the parts in the Lollar factory and had also visited the second factory in Ratzeburg and toured the production.
While the new revolvers are definitely very high quality the price level is prohibitive to success in the American market but apparently they are selling well in Europe. I miss the quality feel that the old handmade Korth revolvers offer, just as the Swiss SIG P210 is preferred by me over the SIG Sauer P210. The Evolution of the Korth Sport revolver |
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Welp, they are writing articles about these in gun magazines now.
Here's hoping they will be floating around soon. |
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Anyone else a bit concerned that there's no mention of Korth anywhere? I can't even find a rollmark indicating it was made by Korth in Germany. Surely Nighthawk isn't making it themselves... right?
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* * * Make one in 10mm Mag/10mm AUTO/40S&W. Mall Ninja would rejoice. * * * View Quote Absolutely! I'd be all other one of those. And yes, a super expensive 6- shot .357 mag revolver is, at day's end, still a 6-shot .357 magnum. BORING! I had a 1st Gen S&W 6.5" 610 once upon a time that I'd considered shipping off to Hamilton Bowen for his "conversion" of the cylinder to 10mm MAGNUM specs. Then too good an offer of hard cash came along and I sold it to fund another project gun. But a 10mm mag wheelgun that can also run the 10mm AUTO and .40Sneezy-Weezy cartridges with moon clips is something I've been wanting to see happen for a long time. |
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Absolutely! I'd be all other one of those. And yes, a super expensive 6- shot .357 mag revolver is, at day's end, still a 6-shot .357 magnum. BORING! I had a 1st Gen S&W 6.5" 610 once upon a time that I'd considered shipping off to Hamilton Bowen for his "conversion" of the cylinder to 10mm MAGNUM specs. Then too good an offer of hard cash came along and I sold it to fund another project gun. But a 10mm mag wheelgun that can also run the 10mm AUTO and .40Sneezy-Weezy cartridges with moon clips is something I've been wanting to see happen for a long time. View Quote I still have my 1st Gen S&W 610 6.5-inch. In fact I took two does with it this past Sunday morning. |
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I still have my 1st Gen S&W 610 6.5-inch. In fact I took two does with it this past Sunday morning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Absolutely! I'd be all other one of those. And yes, a super expensive 6- shot .357 mag revolver is, at day's end, still a 6-shot .357 magnum. BORING! I had a 1st Gen S&W 6.5" 610 once upon a time that I'd considered shipping off to Hamilton Bowen for his "conversion" of the cylinder to 10mm MAGNUM specs. Then too good an offer of hard cash came along and I sold it to fund another project gun. But a 10mm mag wheelgun that can also run the 10mm AUTO and .40Sneezy-Weezy cartridges with moon clips is something I've been wanting to see happen for a long time. I still have my 1st Gen S&W 610 6.5-inch. In fact I took two does with it this past Sunday morning. Awesome! Yeah, I really miss mine now. On the auction sites, the used ones I've seen are going for sick money. |
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Well, looks like they are out there. Two are on gunbroker, price is a bit high. Here's hoping that settles down a bit.
But while I was looking I also found this. Royal purple PVD refinished. How many people on this, or any other planet could there possibly be who have both the money and desire for something like this? I ask you! Attached File |
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The above revolver is offered for sale by Michael Zeleny. He abviously prices his revolvers fairly high and gets a lot of exposure and traffic to his firearms blog like that but he also sells quite a few Korths, SIG P210s, and MR73s, so there must be some interest in these guns.
The fact that one man cannot afford them, nor likes them, does not mean that the next won't buy them from change in his pocket and loves them. I personally rather spend my money on expensive guns than luxury vehicles. |
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. View Quote Just did! But I'm still wanting a Korth... ugh... Can't decide if I want to get the Nighthawk Korth 6" Mongoose or to save up an extra $1500 or so for a Korth Sport/Combat. |
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Just did! But I'm still wanting a Korth... ugh... Can't decide if I want to get the Nighthawk Korth 6" Mongoose or to save up an extra $1500 or so for a Korth Sport/Combat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, a regular Korth is in the $5000 range, and are made of forgings with extensive hand fitting. These have CNC machined parts and less hand fitting than the regular model. The extra 9mm cylinder will add $1000.00 to price also. You can order a new Manurhin MR-73 for about $2700.00. Just did! But I'm still wanting a Korth... ugh... Can't decide if I want to get the Nighthawk Korth 6" Mongoose or to save up an extra $1500 or so for a Korth Sport/Combat. Mm, unless you are doing some kind of high level competitive shooting that I know absolutely nothing about the Mongoose seems like it is more than adequate. The sights look nice but I think those rails look hideous. It's only a matter of time until someone posts a pic of a Sport model with 20 pounds of lights, scopes and lasers mounted to it. |
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Mm, unless you are doing some kind of high level competitive shooting that I know absolutely nothing about the Mongoose seems like it is more than adequate. The sights look nice but I think those rails look hideous. It's only a matter of time until someone posts a pic of a Sport model with 20 pounds of lights, scopes and lasers mounted to it. View Quote You're thinking of the new Super Sport. I'm referring to the older "Sport" model made at their original factory where there are no rails and the cylinder release is right behind the hammer. Very unique looking but an extra $1500 or so since they're a lot harder to find. |
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I am familiar with both, the Korth revolvers from Ratzeburg and the new revolvers from Lollar. I find the quality of some of the Ratzeburg guns absolutley stunning but before I would put $3,000 into a Nighthawk Korth, I would buy a S&W and have it improved by a good gunsmith, or do it myself.
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I am familiar with both, the Korth revolvers from Ratzeburg and the new revolvers from Lollar. I find the quality of some of the Ratzeburg guns absolutley stunning but before I would put $3,000 into a Nighthawk Korth, I would buy a S&W and have it improved by a good gunsmith, or do it myself. View Quote Hahaha, I thought you were going the ARFCOM route and say get both. Assuming you already have some nice S&W revolvers, would you rather spend the ~$3500 on a 6" Nighthawk Korth Mongoose or save up and spend the ~$5300 for a 6" Korth Sport? The Nighthawk Korth offerings are intriguing in terms of price, but I still prefer 6" blued revolvers and wood grips. Not sure how I feel about the DLC coating and rubber grips for that much money. And the Korth Sport has a unique cylinder release. But man is it pricey. If I did save up the money and pull the trigger, it'd easily be the most expensive handgun I'd own. And they're impossible to find anywhere around to just look at the quality/feel of a Korth. |
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