Uhm, no.

I'm not an instructor "for" anyone.

After running drills all day long not one single student, including a federal armed security instructor, thought the revolver to be a superior weapon compared with a modern auto-loader.

In fact the consensus was the exact opposite.

Maybe you started off that way...

You are about to run into a building to engage 7 assholes armed with guns of various types, in order to save a family member...

You have a choice: A Glock 17 with three spare mags or a quality revolver with 9 reloads...

Which gun do you take?

That only ends well against paper targets...or movies.

Pure fantasy.

None of the above

You take the phased plasma gun in the 40 watt range and then you call in an airstrike with an AC-130. Might as well since we're playing fantasy.

You watch too many Steven Seagal movies.

...and Seagal would take a 1911.

Well, interesting to say the least.

Call me old school, outdated, over the hill, old fart or anything else you want. But I've carried the same revolver for decades, a cheap charter arms bulldog in 44spl. Have countless rounds thru them & never had a malfunction.

Most seems to have the idea they will have time to draw and take a defensive position to spray and pray countless rounds down range. I'm more of the opinion it will be up close by multiple assholes and shooting thru clothing. I want something that will put the thump on anything it hits. A 220gr hp doing 860fps tends to do just that.

" />

The misses on the other hand isn't as experienced with any handgun. She holds her own with a revolver until it's time to reload. So I bought here a compact 9mm, the mags are easier for her than the speedloaders.

" />

Would I carry that 9mm with the doublestack mags??? NO, I'm more caliber oriented. Been looking at the compact 45acp's, perhaps I'll get one someday. I haven't felt outgunned since the 80's with the 5-shot 44spl but I've never had assholes yelling & waving/shooting firearms at me from a block away either.

I think this thread has just about run its course.

Why would you choose a handgun instead of a rifle in this imaginary situation?  Even when I was in Afghanistan I never chose my M9 over my M4 and I wasn't engaging 7 assholes alone.

Single dumbest post of the day.



To answer the original question.

I love my air weight.  I am much more likely to encounter a common thug than I am to be involved in a terrorist attack.  

The best CC firearm is the one you carry EVERY time, all the time.

Air weight is the best solution for me.

When camping or traveling to an unknown area I will carry my g20 but those are few and far between.

 

Your lack of points and sense are showing.  

Try this for a reality check of sorts.   Remember this is a hypothetical like you posted above.

It's you with your Glock 17 and 3 mags against me with my Model 15 and 2 speedloaders.  

If I draw my model 15 at a distance of say, ten feet, and point it at you will you shit your pants ?  

If the answer is "yes", then a revolver will work just fine.  

If the answer is "no", then you have never carried a gun to protect yourself in the real world.  

Why is he even in the revolver forum if he doesn't like revolvers?  I find that irritating.  I guess I opened the thread up to attack, but whatever.  I've got my 442 on me now and feel good about it.  

I agree with someone's point some of this stuff happening at places you can't take guns.  But it's not always like that.  We've seen churches being shot up.  And I think some of the France shootings happened in maybe some restaurants.  Was that the case?

I'm finding that I feel poorly armed with only my 642 lately. I carry it when I'm traveling because it's easy to conceal, but I wish I had my SA Operator and some extra mags.

That said, I do like my 642.

Yes ---- but lately, i would rather see Sir Liam Neeson with the hardware rushing in to back my 6.   He's slightly older now, but have you seen the Taken movies?    "Listen carefully.........I have a very special set of skills !"     Then he proceeds to whoop ass.    But really, he is in every other flick, as Irish gangsters, wilderness explorers wrestling wolves, on planes --- good shit all the way around !

Unfortunately, like most Hollyweird types, he's a gun hating pacifist that would be eaten by wolves, robbed/killed by gangsters, family taken/raped/beat/ransomed/killed. #reality

I don't think you are undergunned either.  I would not want to mess with you.  Are those reloads hard to do with such a flat profile?????

The problem is in a country that has heavy gun restrictions, every place is a soft target. I know gun ownership is severely limited in most of Europe, and conceal carry is even less likely to be allowed.

It's this thing called a "hypothetical scenario" to prove a point. One that clearly went right over your head.

The only fantasy I'm seeing in this thread is one where 100+ year old technology is considered adequate against multiple hostiles.

But given the choices answer the question.

I wouldn't choose a handgun over a rifle.

In an ideal scenario run my suppressed 12.5" AR.

But if my only options were a wheel gun or a hi capacity 9mm, I'd choose the latter.

Now if you can honestly do it, answer my stupid question... You are in a situation where you have to fight with whats on you against multiple attackers to save a loved one from multiple armed attackers....

Do you want a six shooter with reloads or modern hi-cap auto loader with reloads?

If are not a LEO/Mil and you walk around every day feeling the need to carry a full size semi auto and around 70 rounds of ammunition, you really need to rethink the situations you put yourself in. Either that or become realistic about what a SD scenario will actually entail.

Don't get me wrong, people are free to carry whatever they want that helps them feel better prepared but at some point you pass the point of being completely unrealistic or dreaming about your chances of survival.

I really didn't mean to hijack your thread.

From your OP you seemed to be admitting that with the current terror threats, BLM etc., a wheel gun didn't seem to be ideal.

I think for EDC a wheel gun is "ok."

For fighting multiple assholes, if a pistol is your only option, I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't choose a modern high capacity over a revolver.

Maybe you should re-read the OP. "Any of you J frame carriers feel like you need more after these attacks and such? "

And I don't feel the need to carry a full size auto and 70 rounds every day.

I've already said that my EDC is a Shield plus a reload for a total of 17 rounds on my person.

When I'm on a PSD I carry a full size gun and two reloads.

lol

Next time you are in TN we can load up some airsoft pistols and test your theory.

We used sims in the SOCOM-approved academy I attended but airsoft should still work.

And you seem to be missing the point... look at how many reloads would need to be performed on the wheel gun compared to the auto loader. Get my point?

I have a better chance of being struck by lightening than of being caught up in an 'active shooter' type incident.
So no, I do not sweat my daily carry.

"SOCOM-approved"?

Correct.

There are only a handful of SOCOM approved training programs and I happen to be an alum of one of them. And it's not an online program. It's real life.

You?

Something about using SOCOM and aitlrsoft in the same post invalidates your man card.

Nobody cares about the length of your penis, how far you can pee, or how big your dad's teeth are.

The subject is being comfortable with what you're carrying in light of worldwide terrorist attacks.

Frankly, without a rifle and some squad support I'd feel undergunned. On my daily walks things are just fine.

 
I would take neither, because the SWAT team would be making entry, not me.


And 7 against 1 is not very good odds.


Maybe if you are playing SOCOM or Call of Duty, or Fallout 4, but in the real world, no.

In my brain I'm constantly fighting the question of if I need more, and what I should do about it..  I carry my J frame every day pretty much all day and it is always there and works with my lifestyle.  But the grass is always greener.  They're harder to shoot well compared to a bigger gun, and the rounds I choose might not be quite as effective as a 9mm or something bigger.

And if you were ever in a situation that involved more than 1 bad guy, you more than likely would be wishing you had more.  But a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.  

I probably should've never got rid of my G19.  It was uncomfortable and I didn't shoot it as well as some of my bigger autos.  But I probably shot it better than I do my 442.  But I've never tried to carry around a G19 for any length of time.  I think it would probably feel really bulky and annoying for my lifestyle and so would a G26.  Now, I know it's supposed to be comforting and not comfortable.   LOL.  

Anyways.....  I'm going to keep carrying my 442, and I'm going to keep dry firing and shooting it and get better with it.  But I'm not sure I'll ever shake that feeling of thinking I should have something with more capacity that is easier to shoot accurately.  So there in lies the rub.  Do I NEED to act on that feeling or is it all just internet commando hype.  

I see this conversation is going right over your head as well...
I know it's hard to admit but wheel guns make terrible fighting tools against multiple attackers.
The only people engaging in fantasy in this thread are those who think otherwise.
I posed a hypothetical worst case scenario question to provoke some thought but clearly some folks are incapable of it.

You don't carry a Glock 17 with three spare mags, and I don't carry a quality revolver with 9 reloads. So what's the point of your hypothetical question?

However, if you're married to this hypothetical scenario, I'd take the "quality revolver." A S&W Model TRR8 would leave me with one .357 Magnum round to spare after 7 head shots, and, if I had to reload, I'd just throw the full-moon clips in the general direction of the cylinder just like Jerry Miculek. That way I could dump an entire cylinder into each dirtbag and have three full-moon clips left for the inevitable counterattack. See? I even handled your "reloading" question.

Maybe you should have made it 17 assholes. Or 73. Or a whole freaking infantry company.

 

Dude, you are trolling....Give it a rest.


You have no facts to prove "wheel guns" are terrible fighting tools, just your own personal bias.


The GIGN has already proved your Call of Duty theory is horseshit on multiple levels,


so go back to trolling GD.

I personally don't mind a bit of waxing eloquent about the upsides and downsides to either platform.  I like pistols.  It's just that I don't think that revolvers are as bad as a lot of the pro pistol people seem to argue.  And I like their upsides.  

No limpwristing issues, ammo issues aren't as big a deal.  You just keep on rotating.  I prefer a DA revolver over a glock type when holstering a loaded weapon.  And if I choose to unload on a regular basis, I don't have to be too concerned with bullet setback.  I used to unload every night.  Now I just leave it in the holster in my pants, hanging on my bedpost.  So that's not as big of an issue as it used to be for me.  And having a long, heavy trigger pull although not overly inducive to super precise accuracy, is a better thing for scary, crap your pants in your face scenarios for ME .  I'm not really sure I want a 6 pound single action type trigger with a lot of rounds to zip off overly fast.  ESPECIALLY if there are a lot of other people around.   Although you could turn that argument around say if your more accurate with a lighter trigger, the more likely a round will not go wild.  

So......  I'm sure I didn't cover it all.  But yeah, I don't really plan to run into a building with seven bad guys holding my family hostage.  I might if I had to with whatever I had, and sure I'd like to have a semi with lots of rounds.  But I think like most have said, it's kind of an off the wall fantasy.

Now, since I referenced the attacks in France, we can talk about that.  I wasn't necessarily talking about what I would've done in any of those particular situations, but more or less it just made me think about wanting more gun.  As does any of these wacko shootings.  Oregon, the Church in was it North Carolina?  Or Virgina, I forget.  The theater shooting.  We had one here where the guy I think was taking potshots at people on a walking trail from a good ways off.  I would rather have a rifle slung over my back for that one.   Also from what I understand, I don't think each attack spot had multiple guys.  Weren't some working on their own, it's just that several happened at the same time?  Or were there multiple at each spot?   Probably that auditorium one had more than one guy, but like someone said, the lawful citizens couldn't have guns anyways......

There is no perfect tool for all scenarios.  Because we're just not to to the point where carrying a carbine over your shoulder is the thing to do.

The problem most have had isn't that you said semi auto's are better than revolvers, very few will argue that since they are the next evolution of the handgun. The problem is that you said revolvers are less reliable, and then proposed a scenario that would end in nothing but death for the conceal carry holder regardless of handgun selection. The only bearing your selection of firearm would have in that situation is what kind of gun the bad guys get to take off your corpse.

When comparing j-frames to a comparable sized semi auto there are arguments that can be made for the selection of either. Once you get into full frame revolvers vs comparable semi autos the argument lends only to the revolver when making statements about experience, personal preference, or perceived reliability advantage.

LOL.  Well said  Well said.

I concur.

For a quick trip to the store, walking the dog or around the house I'm more than comfortable carrying my SW 649-2. Knowing that I've got 5 and the wife 5 in her LCR as my backup is fine.

That being said, and now with the "peaceful protests" in Chicago, if I'm going into a known bad area or one that has the potential to turn at a moments notice a Glock 30 or 1911 with a couple of extra mags is not out of the question if I ABSOLUTELY MUST go to those areas.

Time out.

You don't clear a double feed with a tap and rack, that's just the first step because it clears most jams, but it doesn't clear a double feed.

I used to have a Ruger LCR, but I moved to a LC9 due to identical wight and quicker reloads/more ammo. I still like the feel of the little snub-nose guns but they can't compete at firepower for size.

I do at times. When I run to the quiki mart or to get gas I carry my little 38, but when I go out for any duration I carry a semi-auto. I am f.d. and believe it or not,we have people that hate us as well. I also have the double whammy of "looking like a cop",whatever that means. I have been asked a few times by the not so savory characters.

Ahh... just as I suspected. You may go back to your video games and your fantasies of saving the world with one Glock and a couple of spare mags.

People like you will be the first to wet their highly trained mall ninja pants when things go south.

Milt Sparks Summer Special 2.

Still VERY comfortable EDC my S&W 36 not feeling undergunned at all.

** Not an internet commando***

 

That's sig line material right there.

As much as I love well-made revolvers, my thoughts on the 5-shot J-frame changed considerably after I was involved in a situation with a local, known drug dealer.

It was 12 years ago, and verbal threats on my life were being made by the scumbag, who was across the counter from me (I was working as a retail manager at the time).  Thankfully, I did NOT have to clear leather in this situation, but I learned a lot that day.



I know that for me, personally, when someone is threatening my life, my heart rate jumps up, my speech can become broken, and fine motor skills are not as precise. My take-away from that situation was that if things turned sour and we both began moving, I'd have likely missed the guy two, maybe three times. Would the remaining shots have been enough to incapacitate him? If they landed in the right place, sure. However, if his buddy (or buddies) then entered the store looking to do me harm, I'd have been caught with my pants down and a Safariland loader in hand.



For me, having 5 shots of .38 Special isn't enough. I consider myself lucky to have found this out without having to fill the air with lead. I have recently found comfort carrying a 7 shot CM9 and a spare reload instead, although current World affairs are pushing me to holster up with a 16 shot 9mm when going into densely populated areas.



For many years now, I've carried a .357 Mag K-frame when hiking in the FL woods, as I feel that is one of its best uses. If I'm more worried about two-legged critters, then I'll choose a 9mm with higher capacity each and every time.

For me the problem isn't about action (pistol v. revolver) - it is about size. I am infinitely more effective in terms of speed, accuracy, and reloads with a full size weapon than I am with a sub-compact. Part of this is because I have not done anything to upgrade the sights on my SP101, which is on me, but most of it is because I work better with a service weapon. As a result, my carry choice is full size. It happens to be a pistol, but I am a revolver fan going back over 20 years, and the "bedside" handgun in my world IS a revolver because my wife is more comfortable with one.

-shooter

What full sized handgun do you carry?