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Posted: 11/14/2015 8:52:48 PM EDT
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Looks like a 2 inch model 10.
If its a lightweight it's a model 12. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 9:00:07 PM EDT
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Any idea on mfg date?
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Posted: 11/14/2015 9:46:35 PM EDT
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2" Military and Police. Should be a four/five screw. Probably made Pre 1950.
This one has the long action, which could make for a really nice trigger pull. One of the screws is gonna be under the right grip, and one in front of the trigger guard. This definitely pre dates the Model 10 name. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 9:48:27 PM EDT
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2" K frame with a square butt.
I'd say it looks like a Mod 10/ M&P. I bet the guys on the S&W forum could tell the year by the serial number. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 9:58:09 PM EDT
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2" K frame with a square butt. I'd say it looks like a Mod 10/ M&P. I bet the guys on the S&W forum could tell the year by the serial number. Nope, it's a pre-Model 10. |
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Posted: 11/14/2015 10:11:11 PM EDT
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Once again the arfcom crew comes through. Thanks again.
Would anyone know if it would be capable of +p ammo? |
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Posted: 11/15/2015 1:12:29 AM EDT
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Nice piece.
As far as +P, at that age, I would think not. 158 grain, lead, semi waddcutter, hollow point.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 2:06:37 AM EDT
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take the pachmyers off, doesn't look like a square but to me. I'll bet you a shiney quarter its got a roundbutt frame.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 5:05:36 AM EDT
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take the pachmyers off, doesn't look like a square but to me. I'll bet you a shiney quarter its got a roundbutt frame. OP,I'm just getting into the small revolver game myself so I cant tell you much, other than those grips aren't original to the gun. 
Oh, and I wouldn't shoot +P through it. |
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Posted: 11/15/2015 7:20:11 AM EDT
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Ok so +p wouldnt be a good idea to shoot on a gun pushing 60+ years old, agreed. I just cant get over how nice the trigger pull is. Single action it breaks at probably 2.5#. Double action is probably close to 8. And i did take the grips and it does have a round butt. It would be nice to find some original s&w grips for this bad boy.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 9:57:55 AM EDT
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Once again the arfcom crew comes through. Thanks again. Would anyone know if it would be capable of +p ammo? No, too old for +P. In fact, *I* would only shoot .38spl wadcutters out of it. This will minimize the stress on the gun & ensure no lockwork issues. My .o2 |
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Posted: 11/15/2015 10:44:43 AM EDT
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Check that serial number again.
148XXX would be from 1909 - 1915, but I don't think it's that early. Check the bottom of the barrel and the back of the cylinder - the serial number should be present there too. Is there a letter C in front of it? It may be separated from the numbers by a large space. C148XXX would have been made between 1948 and 1951 The correct grips for that gun, if made 48 - 51, would be K frame round butt diamond magna grips. 
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Posted: 11/15/2015 11:05:29 AM EDT
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I just cant get over how nice the trigger pull is. Single action it breaks at probably 2.5#. Double action is probably close to 8 . . . . Sounds like a typical K-frame Smith. They're pretty much all that way . . . the older ones anyway. |
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Posted: 11/15/2015 11:25:43 AM EDT
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Plus p in two inch barrels doesn't add much performance any way. If you really want to shoot plus p it is unlikely to hurt anything. Shoot 12 to know where they hit and carry plus p if you wish but standard pressure ammo will get the job done anyway. I do not think they started snubby barrels that early in the serial range does it perhaps have a C as part of the number? There is a bit of space between the letter and number on butt. Your serial without a C would be 1909/10 era which is way before two inch barrels were an option ( and since there is more to putting on a two inch barrel than just a barrel swap due to ejector rod length etc) I suspect you have a C numbered gun from the late 40's early 50's
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Posted: 11/15/2015 11:27:09 AM EDT
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Unlike a lot of posters here, I wouldn't be afraid to fire commerical full power ammo through it. Not +p, but regular full power 38s of whatever flavor. The model 10 is a strong action and "i would only fire low power wadcutters" is nonsense.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 6:27:40 PM EDT
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Upon further inspection there is no "C" stamped on the cylinder or the butt of the gun under the grips. I will take a picture and let you guys see it this evening.
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Posted: 11/15/2015 10:21:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:06:35 AM EDT
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Nice old gun, would be a great carry candidate if it functions well, which I'm sure it does.
As others said, an occasional diet of +P for practice and use for carry shouldn't hurt it. My understanding is the old standard .38SPL was pretty much loaded to +P specs anyways. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:07:19 AM EDT
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Heres the best that I could do with the crappy cell phone camera. Added a picture of the cylinder and the right side of the pistol as well. <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg</a> Is there a screw in front of the triggerguard facing to the back? Your pics don't show one and with that low of a serial it should have one. The refinish makes me nervious, some spanish made copies show up with indistinct S&W markings once in a while. Dad used to have one in 32 that was a spanish gun. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:24:01 AM EDT
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Is there a screw in front of the triggerguard facing to the back? Your pics don't show one and with that low of a serial it should have one. The refinish makes me nervious, some spanish made copies show up with indistinct S&W markings once in a while. Dad used to have one in 32 that was a spanish gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heres the best that I could do with the crappy cell phone camera. Added a picture of the cylinder and the right side of the pistol as well. <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg</a> Is there a screw in front of the triggerguard facing to the back? Your pics don't show one and with that low of a serial it should have one. The refinish makes me nervious, some spanish made copies show up with indistinct S&W markings once in a while. Dad used to have one in 32 that was a spanish gun. I find it interesting that it is not marked with a C as pointed out above, but I wonder if the makers of the Spanish copies would have gone to the trouble of stamping the cylinder with a matching serial as seen in the pic? |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 2:08:23 AM EDT
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I find it interesting that it is not marked with a C as pointed out above, but I wonder if the makers of the Spanish copies would have gone to the trouble of stamping the cylinder with a matching serial as seen in the pic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heres the best that I could do with the crappy cell phone camera. Added a picture of the cylinder and the right side of the pistol as well. <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg</a> Is there a screw in front of the triggerguard facing to the back? Your pics don't show one and with that low of a serial it should have one. The refinish makes me nervious, some spanish made copies show up with indistinct S&W markings once in a while. Dad used to have one in 32 that was a spanish gun. I find it interesting that it is not marked with a C as pointed out above, but I wonder if the makers of the Spanish copies would have gone to the trouble of stamping the cylinder with a matching serial as seen in the pic? |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 6:34:42 AM EDT
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I find it interesting that it is not marked with a C as pointed out above, but I wonder if the makers of the Spanish copies would have gone to the trouble of stamping the cylinder with a matching serial as seen in the pic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heres the best that I could do with the crappy cell phone camera. Added a picture of the cylinder and the right side of the pistol as well. <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg</a> Is there a screw in front of the triggerguard facing to the back? Your pics don't show one and with that low of a serial it should have one. The refinish makes me nervious, some spanish made copies show up with indistinct S&W markings once in a while. Dad used to have one in 32 that was a spanish gun. I find it interesting that it is not marked with a C as pointed out above, but I wonder if the makers of the Spanish copies would have gone to the trouble of stamping the cylinder with a matching serial as seen in the pic? Yes, it does have the screw on the trigger guard. And the finish is almost like a duracoat/anodizing. Im not sure if its visible in the pictures but would the copies have the s&w logo stamped into the frame like my grandfathers does? |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 8:29:16 AM EDT
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You may want to post this on The Smith & Wesson Forum,
They know their stuff and like a good mystery gun. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 9:21:50 PM EDT
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You may want to post this on The Smith & Wesson Forum, They know their stuff and like a good mystery gun. So as ServiceGun suggested I took it to the s&w forum. Within minutes I had an explanation. The gun is from 1909 and is a 3rd change. I was told to check the barrel, under the ejector rod. Sure enough the # was different. As someone else said, they didnt think these early guns came with 2" barrels, he was correct. No telling what this thing has seen in the last 106 years. Thanks for everyones help. |
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Posted: 11/17/2015 9:35:14 PM EDT
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With it being that old you definitely do not want to shoot +P in it. The temper was different on those early guns. Standard .38 special should be GTG.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 1:20:53 AM EDT
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Persons attempting to sell copies have added all kinds of things to the spanish copies to sell them as real smiths. The same happens with FEG high power clones, Colt peacemakers and early Lugers. A couple stamps can mean thousands of dollars difference on a Colt or a Luger and possiblely hundreds on a Smith or a High power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heres the best that I could do with the crappy cell phone camera. Added a picture of the cylinder and the right side of the pistol as well. <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2693.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg</a> <a href="http://s824.photobucket.com/user/misohorniii/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/misohorniii/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2688.jpg</a> Is there a screw in front of the triggerguard facing to the back? Your pics don't show one and with that low of a serial it should have one. The refinish makes me nervious, some spanish made copies show up with indistinct S&W markings once in a while. Dad used to have one in 32 that was a spanish gun. I find it interesting that it is not marked with a C as pointed out above, but I wonder if the makers of the Spanish copies would have gone to the trouble of stamping the cylinder with a matching serial as seen in the pic? Possibly, but with all due respect, I have a hard time believing somebody would go to the trouble of stamping a serial number in typical S&W cylinder stamping style to turn a $150 gun into a $300 gun. Model 10 type guns have never really been of the value to try to invest a bunch of work into to make a big dollar gun. Lugers and Colts, sure. But I just don't see it with one on the most common S&W's available, even a snubbie. Even if that gun were in minty condition in the box, it'd be a what, $700-800 gun even these days with the appreciation prelock Smiths have seen in the last few years? |
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Posted: 11/18/2015 1:25:29 AM EDT
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So as ServiceGun suggested I took it to the s&w forum. Within minutes I had an explanation. The gun is from 1909 and is a 3rd change. I was told to check the barrel, under the ejector rod. Sure enough the # was different. As someone else said, they didnt think these early guns came with 2" barrels, he was correct. No telling what this thing has seen in the last 106 years. Thanks for everyones help. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You may want to post this on The Smith & Wesson Forum, They know their stuff and like a good mystery gun. So as ServiceGun suggested I took it to the s&w forum. Within minutes I had an explanation. The gun is from 1909 and is a 3rd change. I was told to check the barrel, under the ejector rod. Sure enough the # was different. As someone else said, they didnt think these early guns came with 2" barrels, he was correct. No telling what this thing has seen in the last 106 years. Thanks for everyones help. Glad to hear you got it sorted out. Yeah, if it's that old with an unknown barrel, I'd stick to standard .38SPL loads. |
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Posted: 11/18/2015 7:52:12 AM EDT
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I would not use this one for a carry gun. The early ones did not have a very good safety system.
This one has been rebuilt a few times. The hammer is from the early fifties. It is a nice piece of family history. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 12:22:53 AM EDT
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I would not use this one for a carry gun. The early ones did not have a very good safety system. This one has been rebuilt a few times. The hammer is from the early fifties. It is a nice piece of family history. What makes you say that about the hammer? By the early fifties hadn't they gone to the fish hook style? It looks original to me. |
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