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kteaton
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Posted: 7/31/2012 12:13:10 PM
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Hey guys, I'm brand new to revolvers and I'm looking for my first. Originally, I was on a quest to find a nice, lightweight, single stack 9mm for carry during the summer. Something that is easily concealable. After being wholly unimpressed with the options, I decided to look into revolvers. They've always been a subject of interest, but I've never had the guts to buy one.

Ultimately, I'm looking for something utilitarian. Compact in size, easy to conceal, packs a punch, and will last me a lifetime. Reliable, no frills, goes bang every time. Where should I look? I don't know the "who's who" of revolvers or what I'm even looking for.

ETA: In addition to summertime carry, this will likely also be my go-to gun for camping trips. So I'd also like to find something in a caliber that could defend me from average wildlife.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 1:25:01 PM
How about a ruger sp101 in .357? Sounds like what you are after. Comes in 2,3,4 inch barrel varieties. I have a 3 and a 4. Probably would have stuck with the 3, but doesn't shoot point of aim, so I wanted adjustable sights found on 4" model.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 1:36:02 PM
J-frame... I'm partial to the 340 myself but they're not cheap.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:29:07 PM
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In used revolvers, you have many choices, including some used police issue guns that still turn up in gun shops.
Assuming you really want a new revolver, here's the range:

S&W.
S&W offers a very wide range of revolvers in sizes from the small "J" frames, to the medium "L" frame, to the large "N" frame (Dirty Harry), to the new giant frame guns in monster calibers like the .500.
They offer a good many options in barrel lengths, material the guns are made from, and type of sights.
S&W makes the highest quality revolvers currently manufactured.
The number of holsters and accessories available for the S&W guns is unlimited. If a holster or accessory is made, it's offered for the S&W.
S&W designs are more refined, and offer better triggers and can be "tuned" to even better if desired.
Since the S&W used forged frames, the guns can be smaller and more compact.
S&W has a lifetime warranty.

Ruger.
Ruger is the "best buy" from a quality/price stand point.
They aren't as refined as the S&W designs and aren't up to S&W level of fit and finish, but they're an excellent owners gun that will last forever, like S&W. If you don't want to pay the price for a S&W but want a tank-like gun, Ruger is it.
Ruger's are slightly larger and heavier then corresponding S&W models.
Ruger also offers small, medium, large, and super large models in various barrel lengths and sight options.
Ruger doesn't offer as many models and variations as S&W.
Most Ruger revolvers are stainless steel, although they are now offering new small models with plastic grip frames that are getting rave reviews.
Like S&W, some of the Ruger's can be bought with laser sights fitted at the factory.
Ruger is the only DA revolver that can be field stripped like an automatic for cleaning. This makes maintenance easier then other brands.
The closest to what you want is the SP-101, which comes in a number of calibers and barrel lengths.
Ruger's warranty service is renowned for repairing even customer damaged guns, often for free.
There are a few fewer options in holsters and accessories available for the Ruger's but you can get most anything you want.

A good step down (or more in some opinions) is the Taurus.
Taurus is made in South America and while many people really like them, there is a much higher history of owners having quality problems.
Again, Taurus offer a wide variety of sizes, calibers, materials, barrel lengths, and sights.
Like S&W, and I think Ruger, Taurus has a lifetime warranty, although some owners have had issues getting Taurus to honor it.
If you think there's a chance of losing or damaging the gun, as in losing it in the woods or having it stolen from a vehicle, Taurus might be the better option due to the lower price.
Taurus make a good serviceable gun but the quality isn't up to Ruger, much less S&W levels. They are not junk, and do cost less then Ruger.

What I recommend is getting on the S&W, Ruger, and Taurus web sites and look at what they offer. All three offer a large catalog of DA revolvers that will meet just about any possible need.
After looking them over, visit some gun shops and handle some that you think you might like.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:56:00 PM
I love my j-frame. I went wIth the shrouded hammer. Most go with the internal hammer.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:41:27 PM
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Originally Posted By AR-180:
I love my j-frame. I went wIth the shrouded hammer. Most go with the internal hammer.

I was looking into J-Frames and I'm definitely very interested, but that caught my eye. What are advantages/disadvantages to shrouded/internal/external?

And thanks for the extremely informative post, dferiswheel!
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:01:38 PM
Originally Posted By kteaton:
What are advantages/disadvantages to shrouded/internal/external?


The main advantage to the shrouded hammer is that it doesn't have the potential to catch on clothing or your pocket on the draw.
One other thing to consider with the Smiths is the internal lock (or Hillary Hole)... there is a large camp of folks who don't care for them, there was talk of some failure of the locks that left the guns inoperable. That being said I have hundreds of rounds of 357 and 38 through mine (which has the lock) without issue. I trust it to defend my life!
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:30:44 PM
S&W 442 / 642
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:22:46 PM
Originally Posted By DiddyMas:
Originally Posted By kteaton:
What are advantages/disadvantages to shrouded/internal/external?


The main advantage to the shrouded hammer is that it doesn't have the potential to catch on clothing or your pocket on the draw.
One other thing to consider with the Smiths is the internal lock (or Hillary Hole)... there is a large camp of folks who don't care for them, there was talk of some failure of the locks that left the guns inoperable. That being said I have hundreds of rounds of 357 and 38 through mine (which has the lock) without issue. I trust it to defend my life!


I would recommend avoiding the internal lock by picking up a J-frame that doesn't have the lock or by having the lock removed. Whenever I get a revolver with the lock it goes off to Karl Sokol at Chestnut Mountain Sports. I usually have him remove the lock and plug the hole, polish trigger, front night sight, etc... He does great work at a good price.

Many guys have no issue with the lock after a lot of rounds but I've heard enough from credible sources to just not trust it.

Whichever revolver you choose spend some time with it on the range. Revolvers are usually tougher to master by shooters that learned on or have a great deal of experience with autos. It takes a bit to learn to run a revolver and the different trigger can prove challenging.

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Posted: 8/1/2012 7:32:12 PM
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S&W model 60-7 38 +P no mim no lock great trigger heat treated cylinder everything you need nothing you don't .
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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:43:15 PM
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I bought a Kahr CM9 back in April. Good little gun.
Still, I find myself grabbing my S&W 638 (shrouded hammer J frame) pretty much all the time.
Nothing wrong with the Kahr, but the Smith is dead nuts simple and reliable.
BTW, I'm removing the IL, waiting on my 'the plug' to come in.

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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:31:19 AM
I would personallly recommend a 3" k frame in .357 or .38. The triggers on k frames will be much better than a j, you have one extra round and the k's are much more pleasant to shoot. I have a 10, 64, 65, and 66 with the 3" barrel option and they're hands down my favorite revolvers. Best part is that e used ones routinely turn up for decent prices of you're willing to look. The 3" model 10 I picked up recently was less than the new bargain priced s&w j frames...

All that said, if it's your first revolver, consider one of the model 10 police trades from buds. The model 10 is an outstanding revolver and a very good entry option for learning the ins and outs before proceeding to the j frames (which definitely take more practice to shoot well when compared to a k frame)

Either way, good luck as wheel gun disease is just S contagious as brd...
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:37:46 AM
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Originally Posted By claxton:
How about a ruger sp101 in .357? Sounds like what you are after. Comes in 2,3,4 inch barrel varieties. I have a 3 and a 4. Probably would have stuck with the 3, but doesn't shoot point of aim, so I wanted adjustable sights found on 4" model.


The SP101 is a fine pistol but don't think it falls into the "light" catagory.

I sold off my SP101 & bought a S&W642
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:48:15 AM
If you want a CCW piece for town, then look into the S&W J-frame snubbies. Also check the used gun market for a Colt Detective Special.

If you want a larger gun for woods carry, then go with a .44 caliber revolver. S&W Model 21, 24, and 29 come to mind here.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 1:35:28 PM
You could get the S&W model 60 with 3" barrel and adjustable sights. Nice gun with the Bantam grip.

That would get you a better sight picture for target shooting.

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Shotshells for the reptiles.

Light loaded Wadcutters or SWC for plinking.

I would stay with the 38 the 357 is a handful in the small frame guns.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:52:50 PM
I've got a Bodyguard .38 (the new one w/ laser) and my gf has the 638 with the shrouded hammer. I like both for different reasons. The bodyguard won't take standard j frame grips or fit in most standard j-frame holsters due to the laser, but it does have a full length ejector rod which is nice. The 638 is definately the better looking IMO and has a better trigger.