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Posted: 3/1/2012 6:35:31 AM
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RUT
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Posted: 3/1/2012 7:43:47 AM
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>>or just a pain in the but to reload.<<
Yes, which is why I got rid of the one I had. To me they're a "novelty" item, and not much good for anything else. |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 7:50:57 AM
Have one and like it. Makes for a good BUG.
9mm moonclips will never be as good as .45 ACP moonclips, just because the smaller rounds rattle around more. |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 4:06:30 PM
I have the 3" Ruger SP101 9mm with some Badger grips-makes a great carry gun ( IWB or OWB)and I carry the 2 moon clips in a medicine bottle in my pocket.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 9:39:05 PM
I have a Taurus 905 SS with CT grips that I use as my BUG. The moon clips aren't a problem since I only use them for my personal protection rounds in the cylinder and as reloads, when just plinking and practicing I just shoot it without the moonclips. Never had a problem getting the spent casings out of the cylinder by hand. |
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Posted: 3/2/2012 6:21:54 AM
Thanks all. I live in a non carry state so that is not an issue. I just don't want to stalk up on another caliber and think 9mm is a good choice since I own both glocks and 1911s in that round. If the rounds can extract with out the moon clips even better. The tarus in stainless is exactly what I was looking at.
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Posted: 3/3/2012 12:12:41 AM
[Last Edit: 3/3/2012 9:02:20 AM by lvcipriani]
John Farnam wrote that stout 9mm and .45acp ammo in revolvers can cause guns to lock up. The problem is the bullets are not crimped tightly and bullets can unseat a bit when another round in the cylinder is fired. Compare the crimp of a .357 or .44 that of a 9mm or .45acp. The .357 and .44 have a roll crimp into a cannelure, 9mm and .45 do not.
Here's the email from Farnam about this issue. 15 Feb 12 Light-weight revolvers and "bullet-jump" S&W, Ruger, and others are currently making light, five-shot, snubby revolvers, mostly in 38Spl, but there is a trend now toward making these small revolvers to accept autoloading pistol calibers, specifically 9mm. Sales are brisk! These light-weight revolvers make wonderful back-up pistols. I carry a S&W 340PD regularly, and I hardly know I have it on! Many other gun-carriers similarly rely on them However, these revolvers are so light that, due to their characteristic sharp recoil, "bullet-jump" is always a concern. When the revolver fires, remaining cartridges in the cylinder (yet to be fired) are subjected to significant G-forces as the pistol recoils. Sometimes, it is enough to persuade an yet-unfired bullet to migrate forward far enough to protrude from the front of the cylinder, preventing the cylinder from rotating normally, and thus preventing the revolver from firing. Ammunition manufacturers have been familiar with this issue for a long time, and thus typically put a heavy crimp into 38Spl and 357Mg cartridges as part of the manufacturing process. That crimp usually suffices to mitigate the bullet-jump issue, even in small revolvers. However, with the advent of small, light revolvers chambered for 9mm, the problem is, once again, rearing its ugly head as a major issue, as most 9mm ammunition does not come with any kind of bullet-holding crimp. In fact, on many boxes of currently-produced, high-performance 9mm ammunition, manufacturers have printed the warning, "Not for Use in Revolvers," because they calculate bullet-jump will be a problem in some guns. My advice is: Stick with 38Spl in snubby revolvers. I don't see a viable solution to 9mm bullet-jump currently. DPX 38Spl 110gr works just fine! Whatever you're using, test it! Load your revolver and fire three shots, one-handed. Then, open the cylinder and check the remaining two rounds for signs of bullet-jump. Repeat the routine several times. When all unfired cartridges look normal, you're probably okay. /John |
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Posted: 3/3/2012 11:50:58 AM
I've got a S&W Model 547. Six shot K frame
It's out of production, scarce and expensive when you find one. It uses a patented extractor system which doesn't require clips. There was also a speedloader available for it. It works well but if it breaks S&W no longer stock replacement parts for the extractor.  |
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Posted: 3/4/2012 9:20:08 AM
Originally Posted By lvcipriani:
John Farnam wrote that stout 9mm and .45acp ammo in revolvers can cause guns to lock up. The problem is the bullets are not crimped tightly and bullets can unseat a bit when another round in the cylinder is fired. Compare the crimp of a .357 or .44 that of a 9mm or .45acp. The .357 and .44 have a roll crimp into a cannelure, 9mm and .45 do not. Here's the email from Farnam about this issue. 15 Feb 12 Light-weight revolvers and "bullet-jump" S&W, Ruger, and others are currently making light, five-shot, snubby revolvers, mostly in 38Spl, but there is a trend now toward making these small revolvers to accept autoloading pistol calibers, specifically 9mm. Sales are brisk! These light-weight revolvers make wonderful back-up pistols. I carry a S&W 340PD regularly, and I hardly know I have it on! Many other gun-carriers similarly rely on them However, these revolvers are so light that, due to their characteristic sharp recoil, "bullet-jump" is always a concern. When the revolver fires, remaining cartridges in the cylinder (yet to be fired) are subjected to significant G-forces as the pistol recoils. Sometimes, it is enough to persuade an yet-unfired bullet to migrate forward far enough to protrude from the front of the cylinder, preventing the cylinder from rotating normally, and thus preventing the revolver from firing. Ammunition manufacturers have been familiar with this issue for a long time, and thus typically put a heavy crimp into 38Spl and 357Mg cartridges as part of the manufacturing process. That crimp usually suffices to mitigate the bullet-jump issue, even in small revolvers. However, with the advent of small, light revolvers chambered for 9mm, the problem is, once again, rearing its ugly head as a major issue, as most 9mm ammunition does not come with any kind of bullet-holding crimp. In fact, on many boxes of currently-produced, high-performance 9mm ammunition, manufacturers have printed the warning, "Not for Use in Revolvers," because they calculate bullet-jump will be a problem in some guns. My advice is: Stick with 38Spl in snubby revolvers. I don't see a viable solution to 9mm bullet-jump currently. DPX 38Spl 110gr works just fine! Whatever you're using, test it! Load your revolver and fire three shots, one-handed. Then, open the cylinder and check the remaining two rounds for signs of bullet-jump. Repeat the routine several times. When all unfired cartridges look normal, you're probably okay. /John Ive only have had 1 failure in my life of shooting revolvers. ( got ccw back in the 80`s) I was shooting 38spl +P 158 SWC HP in a S&W 640 made of SS. When I was shooting a bullet came loose and locked up the cylinder? Freaked me out !! I wont use SWC HP for SD in any J frame pistol. Now Ive had a squib and brass stuck under the ejector but thats my bad. 
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Posted: 3/5/2012 8:28:24 AM
I have two S&W 547 K frames. They work well, but they are a cult/collector item these days, so they're hard to find and usually kinda expensive when you do. I bought the first one back when no one wanted them. They were an overrun for a European police contract, and cheap at the time. The second I recently found a few months back at a pawn shop for $350. I usually see them for twice that price, easy. I take that one to the range if I'm shooting 9mm and don't want to deal with different ammo.
As much as I like the 547, I don't think it's worth messing with unless you found it at a good price. The cost/market value of those things just take it out of the running. Ruger used to make the Speed-Six (and maybe the Service-six, I can't remember for sure) in 9mm. They are climbing in price as well, and hard to find. Those took clips. When it gets to the point that you can buy two .357/.38's for one 9mm, then it's more practical to bring different ammo to the range with you. |
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Posted: 3/8/2012 3:27:09 PM
[Last Edit: 3/8/2012 3:28:49 PM by JJ_BPK]
I have a Smith 940-1 9mm. Purchased when they 1st came out early 94'. Probably 2-3K round count.
Love it. The moon-clips pack smaller and with practice are as quick as YOU get.. The 9mm fits between the 38spl and 357mag. It's a good compromise. If you want more POW, the chambers can be reamed to 9x23. More hurt than I want in my hand.. 
PS: I also have a Smith 625-2 45ACP that loves moon-clips.. |
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