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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:27:24 PM
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Originally Posted By criley:
You are so unrealistic in your expectations. You saw something for sale, paid for it, and actually expected to receive it in a timely manner.

What planet are you from?



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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:35:38 PM
Originally Posted By Spart:
Meh. Honestly, do you think a company like Galloway Precision is going to have a person dedicated to their Facebook?

I was upset because I knew someone that could help me with my problem was wasting time on Facebook instead, and I was right. Private messages in the form of two emails at that point hadn't worked.

I don't think I'd treat a customer service issue with Smith & Wesson the same way. But then, I'd probably never have an issue like this with Smith & Wesson.


It seems like that's what the wife is... I mean it wasn't like she was even posting about business it was a copy and paste from an email and she got called out on it.

Either way, I completely agreed with you that their business practices suck as does their care free attitude towards customers.

I had a guy like this on eBay just last Sunday, bought it now, paid immediately, guy marks it shipped that night, and I assumed it would be picked up Monday. I contact him wednesday for tracking info and the number isn't in the system. He tells me to wait sometimes it takes 72 hours . I called FedEx and they looked into it, the shipping label had just been paid for and printed 5 minutes after I messaged the guy.

I had another guy state that he ships within 24 hours of cleared payment which made me choose him over other sellers. A week later and it still wasn't shipped, guy says "oh my business has outgrown itself", all of his current listings still listed ships within 24 hours in big bold letters and other auction items ended after mine had shipped and been received based on the feedback.

Some people can't handle online business and definitely can't meet commitments.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 11:17:54 AM
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No - not at all. It's perfectly ok to get angry and let a business know it, but that doesn't mean you have to become discourteous and petty, like saying a 12 year old designed their website.


I stopped reading there, because it's clear to me that you didn't read my post. You scanned it. I never said "a 12 year old designed their website."

Come back when you've had the time to actually read everything I wrote.


So you're going to ignore everything I said because I mixed up "website" with "facebook"?

Your loss.

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Posted: 4/25/2012 11:26:20 AM
Originally Posted By tax_monster:
Originally Posted By Spart:
Originally Posted By tax_monster:
No - not at all. It's perfectly ok to get angry and let a business know it, but that doesn't mean you have to become discourteous and petty, like saying a 12 year old designed their website.


I stopped reading there, because it's clear to me that you didn't read my post. You scanned it. I never said "a 12 year old designed their website."

Come back when you've had the time to actually read everything I wrote.


So you're going to ignore everything I said because I mixed up "website" with "facebook"?

Your loss.



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Posted: 4/25/2012 11:38:33 AM
Originally Posted By tax_monster:
Originally Posted By Spart:
Originally Posted By tax_monster:
No - not at all. It's perfectly ok to get angry and let a business know it, but that doesn't mean you have to become discourteous and petty, like saying a 12 year old designed their website.


I stopped reading there, because it's clear to me that you didn't read my post. You scanned it. I never said "a 12 year old designed their website."

Come back when you've had the time to actually read everything I wrote.


So you're going to ignore everything I said because I mixed up "website" with "facebook"?

Your loss.





not really a loss if you are going to continue to post without reading the OP.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 11:55:57 AM
terrible behavior by the company, but your emails do indeed look like they were written by a teenager.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 12:07:44 PM
Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
terrible behavior by the company, but your emails do indeed look like they were written by a teenager.


So you're allowed to be condescending even though you have nothing to do with this situation? Do you have a special hat that you wear? The ball cap of internet judgement?

But when I do the same thing you just did for just cause, it's not okay?

Makes perfect sense!
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Posted: 4/25/2012 12:47:03 PM
Did I miss the part where the 1st point of contact was a phone call?

Didn't see that, but might have missed it....all I got was a parade of emails.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:03:09 PM
I specifically avoided calling. I knew going in that this was a business on the side. In other words, the proprietor has a day job. Eric's email was the first thing on his business card next to his name, and email gives the opportunity to respond at leisure - which apparently to Eric Galloway means 12 days.

I don't think 12 days is a reasonable amount of time to respond to an email, but I guess it is better than calling someone's phone when they're at work.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:12:44 PM

Originally Posted By Spart:
I specifically avoided calling. I knew going in that this was a business on the side. In other words, the proprietor has a day job. Eric's email was the first thing on his business card next to his name, and email gives the opportunity to respond at leisure - which apparently to Eric Galloway means 12 days.

I don't think 12 days is a reasonable amount of time to respond to an email, but I guess it is better than calling someone's phone when they're at work.

I'm not seeing how phone contact, or at least attempting it, would be a bad idea.

I agree the turn around time on email follow up sucked, but picking up the phone on your end, and attempting direct contact, probably would have been a smart move.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:17:58 PM
I disagree. I'd call a company like S&W. They've got people whose sole job is answering phones. Small companies like this don't, and in my experience trading emails back and forth can be very effective.

It's obvious from Eric's business card and his website contact info that he prefers emails.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:22:16 PM


you're confirming my post and merely taking attention away from what you were trying to bring attention to.

Originally Posted By Spart:
Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
terrible behavior by the company, but your emails do indeed look like they were written by a teenager.


So you're allowed to be condescending even though you have nothing to do with this situation? Do you have a special hat that you wear? The ball cap of internet judgement?

But when I do the same thing you just did for just cause, it's not okay?

Makes perfect sense!


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Posted: 4/25/2012 2:47:50 PM
You're talking in circles and adding nothing to the discussion. Thanks!
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Posted: 4/25/2012 3:25:12 PM
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I've had issues such as this with various online retailers.

98% of the problems were resolved within a timely and satisfactory to me manner. Usually with the seller going above and beyond to make the situation correct.

There are always going to be people out there who are either incompetent, lazy, or just plain don't give a shit.


I had a gem of a seller on ebay that would not return any correspondence until I filed a case with ebay.

The seller was rockmountaintactical, the part was a tactical charging handle latch, a $22 part.

Bottom line was I was shipped the item and it never appeared at my residence. The item was delivered to my city, but the post office had no clue where it was. The day it was to be delivered I had multiple other items being delivered by the post office and I asked the mail carrier directly of its whereabouts, no idea.

In 13 years of purchasing on the internet I have never not received anything I have ordered be it from a few cities away or from China.

The seller then resorts to telling me I was trying to get another part for free and that after he shipped the item, any and all obligations were met by him. This after he offered to have me pay for another at a $2 discount.

Bottom line, try your best to get what you paid for, then make it known to others to avoid dealing with said seller, and to top it off tell the seller to choke on a bag of dicks.





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Posted: 4/25/2012 4:08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Spart:
I disagree. I'd call a company like S&W. They've got people whose sole job is answering phones. Small companies like this don't, and in my experience trading emails back and forth can be very effective.

It's obvious from Eric's business card and his website contact info that he prefers emails.

Yeah, I get all that. Eric may prefer email, but when that doesn't get the desired result, might want to seek an alternate route....like using a phone.

Given the nature of your situation and the timeframe involved, never once actually calling, yet opting for Facebook instead, seems a bit odd.

What exactly is the down side to picking up the phone and pushing 10 buttons to seek direct contact, rather than waiting days for an email?
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Posted: 4/25/2012 4:38:35 PM
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Originally Posted By M4:
Yeah, I get all that. Eric may prefer email, but when that doesn't get the desired result, might want to seek an alternate route....like using a phone.

Given the nature of your situation and the timeframe involved, never once actually calling, yet opting for Facebook instead, seems a bit odd.


You're really stuck on this, aren't you? Do you have ten digits I can dial so I can explain using my voice that this is the 21st century, and we're communicating using computers now? I assume you're not dictating your posts on ARFCOM.

Your argument would make just as much sense if you said "Eric may prefer email, but when that doesn't get the desired result, might want to seek an alternate route... like a billboard near his house."

And I didn't "opt" for Facebook. As I said in the OP, I had "liked" them several months back. A few hours after sending out my second email (a couple days after sending the first) there on my news feed on Facebook was a post by Galloway Precision. I didn't go seeking them out, it just popped up like everything else does on Facebook. They had enough time to post a pointless status update on Facebook, but not enough time to even acknowledge my email. I made a split-second decision to call them on that publicly, and I included that communication because I included every little bit of this fiasco, not just the juicier bits.

I'm tempted to search through your post history here on ARFCOM and find a thread where you've complained about something, and then nit-pick you for whatever way I feel you failed to communicate. I'm real big on writing words in the sky using smoke trails from a bi-plane. If you didn't employ that method, then I will judge you as having failed as a customer.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 5:07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Spart:
Originally Posted By M4:
Yeah, I get all that. Eric may prefer email, but when that doesn't get the desired result, might want to seek an alternate route....like using a phone.

Given the nature of your situation and the timeframe involved, never once actually calling, yet opting for Facebook instead, seems a bit odd.


You're really stuck on this, aren't you? Do you have ten digits I can dial so I can explain using my voice that this is the 21st century, and we're communicating using computers now? I assume you're not dictating your posts on ARFCOM.

Your argument would make just as much sense if you said "Eric may prefer email, but when that doesn't get the desired result, might want to seek an alternate route... like a billboard near his house."

And I didn't "opt" for Facebook. As I said in the OP, I had "liked" them several months back. A few hours after sending out my second email (a couple days after sending the first) there on my news feed on Facebook was a post by Galloway Precision. I didn't go seeking them out, it just popped up like everything else does on Facebook. They had enough time to post a pointless status update on Facebook, but not enough time to even acknowledge my email. I made a split-second decision to call them on that publicly, and I included that communication because I included every little bit of this fiasco, not just the juicier bits.

I'm tempted to search through your post history here on ARFCOM and find a thread where you've complained about something, and then nit-pick you for whatever way I feel you failed to communicate. I'm real big on writing words in the sky using smoke trails from a bi-plane. If you didn't employ that method, then I will judge you as having failed as a customer.

You're acting like a fucking child. Asking why you wouldn't CALL them is somehow confusing to you?

"Call them....like using a phone?!? Why do THAT when I can spend days sending emails, with zero result, and chew someone out of Facebook!!!!"

Who in their right mind would dispute the potential "benefit" of making a damn phone call?

Email after email after email....but that phone thing, shit that NEVER works.

Again, what is the DOWN SIDE to picking up a phone and seeking DIRECT contact?

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Posted: 4/25/2012 7:04:22 PM
This is what happened to the OP:
You try and do business with a retailer, they have incorrect information on their website... they miss their stated date to ship what they mistakenly said that they have in stock... when they do ship they ship the wrong item... you email them and they don't respond.... you contact them via Facebook and when they should fall over backward and ask you to forgive them and let them make it right, instead they whine about it, but then say they will send the correct part.... then they don't.... and then the owner tells you to send back the part they should never have sent you in the first place on your dime....



And some of you guys criticize the OP more than the seller.

Unbelievable.

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Posted: 4/25/2012 7:05:00 PM
Let's ignore a couple things for a minute:


  1. That email is obviously their preferred communication mode, given that they have day jobs and probably can't answer the phone 95% of the time.

  2. That regardless of how many other communication modes I chose not to employ (smoke signals, fax, certified mail, etc.) it's not an excuse for them to ignore their primary method of contact.



Assume that instead of communicating via Facebook and getting Eric's wife, I call and get Eric's wife. I explain that it's disheartening to see that my emails are going ignored while frivolous Facebook status updates are being posted. Debbie apologizes(exactly as she did on Facebook) and tells me she'll send the correct part out (exactly as she did on Facebook.)

Wow! We're communicating via phone now, and achieving exactly the same thing!

Eleven days go by, and I don't get anything in the mail as promised. I call and get Eric himself, just as I did with my third email. He reneges on his wife's commitment (exactly as he did via email) and refuses to send me the correct part, stating that I must pay extra money because of his mistake in the form of shelling out for return shipping. I refuse to accept this and Eric tells me off (exactly as what happened in the email.)

For someone who claims that I'm "acting like a f-ing child", it seems as though you can't understand that the root of the problem here isn't the communication method, which has been working great for over a decade now, and which we are currently employing. It's that Eric topped off his already bad customer service with a reneged promise.

No matter how I got in touch with them, Eric still would have backtracked on his wife's commitment after making me wait for over a week thinking I had already gotten the problem fixed and that my part was in the mail.

That reneged commitment, and not any action of mine, is what made this whole situation go from mildly annoying to outright rage-inducing.
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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:04:19 PM
Its a lot easier to ignore someone via email than it is if they call. Email has its place in business, I prefer it, but when it fails and I know someone is just putting off dealing with a situation or me, I call them. Many times an effective way to resolve a problem.

Sorry this didn't work out, I was planning on ordering something from these folks in the future, now I'm not too sure.

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