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Posted: 2/24/2012 4:25:31 PM
[Last Edit: 3/25/2012 3:09:21 PM by Arms_Reach]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT This is my first 1911. It is a PRO CDP II. If I can get past this hiccup and the pistol proves reliable, it will likely be my cc of choice. I look forward to hearing your suggestions. Obligatory Phone Pics:
The marring on the trigger guard is from the Crossbreed Super Tuck (great holster btw). Kinda bummed about the finish. I may have it blasted and anodized down the road, or I may just get over it..
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Posted: 2/24/2012 6:08:30 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 6:14:27 PM by R850R]
Happens on all mags or just a particular one?
I would look at the slide stop...the edge that contacts the mag ledge may need to be filed. It is rubbing on the bullet and is probably more pronounced with two rounds due to the spring tension pushing the rounds. Just a thought. Take your slide off and insert a mag and see if the rounds rub the face of the lever. sorry...reading comprehension...slide not closing. Might need more rounds to work itself out. Feed ramp might need to be polished? Is the round nosing into the feedramp? What kind of Wilson mag? Only mags that was reliable in my TLE were Tripp Research. Will a palm shove on the rear of the slide allow it to go back into battery? |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 7:17:05 PM
Originally Posted By R850R:
Happens on all mags or just a particular one? I would look at the slide stop...the edge that contacts the mag ledge may need to be filed. It is rubbing on the bullet and is probably more pronounced with two rounds due to the spring tension pushing the rounds. Just a thought. Take your slide off and insert a mag and see if the rounds rub the face of the lever. sorry...reading comprehension...slide not closing. Might need more rounds to work itself out. Feed ramp might need to be polished? Is the round nosing into the feedramp? What kind of Wilson mag? Only mags that was reliable in my TLE were Tripp Research. Will a palm shove on the rear of the slide allow it to go back into battery? It was bought used so I'm sure that it has seen more rounds than what I have put through it. It had standard wear marks on the aluminum frame and on the outside of the barrel. I feel like it has had enough rounds through it to be past the break-in period. The feed ramp is ugly. The paint was worn off when I bought it. The Wilson mag: Wilson Combat 47D 1911 Magazine, .45 ACP, Full-Size, 8 Round, Standard Base Pad. Had to look it up.. No palm shoving is necessary, just slight thumb pressure is all it takes to send it home. It just doesn't make it that last ~1/4". |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 7:42:04 PM
pic of the feed ramp? Is it smooth? Is there a 1/16" gap from ramp to barrel? How does the barrel link look?
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Posted: 2/24/2012 7:48:01 PM
Possible Recoil Spring?
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:03:59 PM
Originally Posted By ishoot2live:
Possible Recoil Spring? That's probably the best suggestion due to unknown round count. Wolff springs are cheap and good to have spares. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:15:36 PM
Originally Posted By R850R:
pic of the feed ramp? Is it smooth? Is there a 1/16" gap from ramp to barrel? How does the barrel link look? Wow, just spent the last hour reading about aluminum frames and feed ramps.. Mine looks like crap. Just read about steel inserts. I have a lot of learning to do on this platform. Are these frames just painted or is there some kind of anodizing process done? The barrel link appears to be in good shape. I'll take a pic of the feed ramp and post it in just a sec... |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:23:05 PM
I had the same problem with a Stainless Pro Carry II until I removed the Series II FPS crap from the slide. The plunger in the slide had a squarish shoulder on it that would catch on the little tab that sticks up when you squeeze the grip safety.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:23:44 PM
feed ramp should be smooth...they are not painted
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:24:31 PM
What kind of ammo? Ball, HP?
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:28:55 PM
I'd do one thing at a time.
You've tried different mags so next I'd try a recoil spring. Kimber recommends changing the recoil spring in that pistol every 800 rounds. If you've put $400 worth of ammo through it then you're probably well over that yourself without considering what someone else shot through it. I'd leave the feed ramp alone at this point. Actually I'd leave the feed ramp alone on an alloy frame pistol period. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:32:23 PM
Originally Posted By R850R:
feed ramp should be smooth...they are not painted It's not smooth..
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:35:32 PM
Originally Posted By R850R:
Originally Posted By ishoot2live:
Possible Recoil Spring? That's probably the best suggestion due to unknown round count. Wolff springs are cheap and good to have spares. I had a similar problem with my Stainless Colt Commander at about 14K rounds. It wouldn't go into full battery when there were one or two rounds left in the mag. It would do it with factory Colt mags, CMC's, Tripp's, and Wilson's. I replaced the recoil spring with a Wolff Standard Weight spring and that cured the problem. YMMV |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:35:56 PM
Originally Posted By R850R:
What kind of ammo? Ball, HP? Ball ammo, no HP yet. Just hand feeding the HP with the mag inserted to the frame has me feeling like it will have some hang-ups. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:39:51 PM
The feed ramp looks ugly. I'd replace the recoil spring first and see if it fixes the issue...it is cheaper than having an insert installed. If the spring does not fix it, then a smith will have to fix the ramp or install an insert.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:42:44 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 8:43:27 PM by R850R]
Sorry, I'm on my phone...to hard to edit.
Is the ramp dirty or knicked...hard to tell from photos. If knicked, it's your call. You could polish it yourself with lapping compound, but do not change the angle. No dremel, do it by hand. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:45:20 PM
Originally Posted By ishoot2live:
Possible Recoil Spring? this would be my guess. cheap to replace and rule out as well. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:51:57 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 9:01:27 PM by Pacs]
Originally Posted By Arms_Reach:
Originally Posted By R850R:
feed ramp should be smooth...they are not painted It's not smooth.. http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/armsreach/20120224_201930.jpg http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/armsreach/20120224_202257.jpg
The last owner fucked your feed ramp. I have a Pro CDP II and the feed ramp looks nothing like that. I have just streaks where the rounds have passed, and the sides of the ramp still smooth and have coating. A feed ramp with many rounds through it from the internet. ![]() |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:55:17 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 9:04:05 PM by IbuildedIT]
Originally Posted By Arms_Reach:
Originally Posted By R850R:
feed ramp should be smooth...they are not painted It's not smooth.. http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/armsreach/20120224_201930.jpg http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/armsreach/20120224_202257.jpg i took some light grit sandpaper (like 400) and lightly smoothed my feedramp going the direction the bullet travels to the barrel until i got those marks mostly out, it didn't take much, then i took my dremel and a felt wheel with some liquid metal polish and went over it until it was shining. i didn't really remove much material other than the highspots that went from side to side and certainly didn't change the angle with my little felt wheel. i wouldn't hesitate to do a little light polishing to get rid of those high spots.
here's mine after polishing and then having 700+ rounds put through it. you can see it marr'd my polish job a bit but it's still buttery smooth and operates flawlessly. FYI this is from a tactical custom, my ramp was not painted to begin with but it still is aluminum doing this and a new recoil spring may solve the problems your having if it's an issue of the slide not having enough force to close all the way and maybe combined with the bullet catching up on the feed ramp which slows the slide even more so. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 9:03:08 PM
I would stick to non metal magazine followers in your mags on a AL frame. This is fixable.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 9:40:02 PM
Thanks everyone, I know my next move. I'm going to order a new recoil spring. Any brands better than others? Are chrome silicone available? Replacing a spring every 800 cycles strikes me as very excessive.
My other question is about the feed ramps. I'm going to put off any polishing until after I have worked with the spring for a few hundred rounds. But I would like to know more about the steel inserts. You guys have any idea how much I should expect to pay to have that done by a reputable smith? |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 10:43:06 AM
Originally Posted By Stasher1:
I had the same problem with a Stainless Pro Carry II until I removed the Series II FPS crap from the slide. The plunger in the slide had a squarish shoulder on it that would catch on the little tab that sticks up when you squeeze the grip safety. Because of where it is catching I have my suspicions of that too. It seems to be the right area and I can feel a hang up there while working the slide. I'm still going to give the recoil spring a shot first before I have any modifications done. I don't own a tool to remove the rear sight and have read that they are particularly tight on a Kimber. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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Posted: 2/25/2012 10:58:40 AM
Originally Posted By NE223:
I'd do one thing at a time. You've tried different mags so next I'd try a recoil spring. That sounds like good advise. Kimber recommends changing the recoil spring in that pistol every 800 rounds. If you've put $400 worth of ammo through it then you're probably well over that yourself without considering what someone else shot through it. Can you link me to where you read that? 800 rounds doesn't seem like all that many. I'd leave the feed ramp alone at this point. Actually I'd leave the feed ramp alone on an alloy frame pistol period. I am hesitant to make any modifications myself. I may try mild polishing as a last ditch effort before sending it to a smith to instal a steel ramp, but at this point I'm not going to mess with it. Thanks. |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 12:05:48 AM
Wow that feed ramp looks like shit!! Id defiantly smooth it out and polish it up if you can.
+1 to the Wolfe recoil springs and the plastic mag followers for that frame! |
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Posted: 2/26/2012 10:38:29 AM
Originally Posted By Arms_Reach:
Originally Posted By NE223:
I'd do one thing at a time. You've tried different mags so next I'd try a recoil spring. Kimber recommends changing the recoil spring in that pistol every 800 rounds. If you've put $400 worth of ammo through it then you're probably well over that yourself without considering what someone else shot through it. Can you link me to where you read that? 800 rounds doesn't seem like all that many. I'd leave the feed ramp alone at this point. Actually I'd leave the feed ramp alone on an alloy frame pistol period. Thanks. It's on page 7 of the factory manual for the Pro, Compact, and Ultra models. http://www.kimberamerica.com/uploads/manual-download/Compact.pdf |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:11:52 PM
Originally Posted By Stasher1:
Originally Posted By Arms_Reach:
Originally Posted By NE223:
I'd do one thing at a time. You've tried different mags so next I'd try a recoil spring. Kimber recommends changing the recoil spring in that pistol every 800 rounds. If you've put $400 worth of ammo through it then you're probably well over that yourself without considering what someone else shot through it. Can you link me to where you read that? 800 rounds doesn't seem like all that many. I'd leave the feed ramp alone at this point. Actually I'd leave the feed ramp alone on an alloy frame pistol period. Thanks. It's on page 7 of the factory manual for the Pro, Compact, and Ultra models. http://www.kimberamerica.com/uploads/manual-download/Compact.pdf Great, I'm blind.. Thanks. Well, I ordered the: 327251KIMBER 4IN .45 PISTOL IMPROVED XP RECOIL SPG7.897.89 Not sure what "improved" means, but if it does the trick I'll order a few extra to have on hand. If it doesn't, I'll order the Colt version. Anyhow, I'll update this thread when I have something to report. Looks like they have about a two week delay on orders right now. Thanks again for all the suggestions. |
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