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Posted: 6/17/2014 12:02:58 PM EDT
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[#2]
Very interesting. I am also very curious about the VP 9. I have owned USP's, a P7M8, USP compact and the only ones that stay in my collection are Glocks. I am anxious to see this handgun.
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[#3]
Thanks for sharing this visual comparison!
While 1/2 of an inch doesn't sound like much, I've found it makes all the difference when carrying a handgun IWB. I've gone through the trouble of cutting down and reshaping revolver grips just to lose 1/2" because sometimes it's the difference between proper concealment and horrible printing. Now...I understand that this gun wasn't developed to be a CCW pistol, nor does it seem to be marketed as such. On the other hand, the G19 fits that role very nicely. It looks like the VP9 is more along the lines of a duty or HD pistol, where I'm sure it will excel. I just don't see the VP9 crushing the Glock 19 in the CCW market, but I'm sure the VP9 will sell very well amongst those who are enlightened to some of Glock's current production issues. I don't carry a pistol in a LE or MIL capacity, so for me the VP9 looks like a potentially good Home Defense option. Unfortunately, that's where it ends for me. Of course, those of you with different body shapes, even more forgiving wardrobes, or more gun-friendly local politics will have a different opinion. |
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[#5]
Great pic, thanks. In my opinion, that little bit does make a difference in carry. Unfortunately it makes a much bigger difference in comfort (for me). The Glock 19 grip is just too short, and the finger grooves put the crests right under my fingers. That's why I'm currently hiding away money for an HK. I think the 19 would be much more comfortable if they'd extend the grip down and around the magazine like most semi-autos. My brothers all have 19s and love them. Hell I love them. They're just not comfortable.
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[#6]
Any holsters available for or that at least are a good fit for these yet?
Thanks for the comparison pic BTW. |
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[#7]
Thanks for the size comparison, any eta of when your vp9 will arrive?
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[#8]
Hopefully this has a decent trigger. HK's horrible trigger is what drove me away from them. I also wish they wouldn't have that ridiculous indicator on the back of the VP 9. That said the P30 grip is the best of any handgun I have owned.
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Hopefully this has a decent trigger. HK's horrible trigger is what drove me away from them. I also wish they wouldn't have that ridiculous indicator on the back of the VP 9. That said the P30 grip is the best of any handgun I have owned. View Quote Whats so ridiculous about it ? It serves a purpose Doesn't get in the way Doesn't really add any complexity to the design Can be seen while the pistol is holstered As far as HK trigger's i have no problems , i also shoot Glocks equally well. Some people just have limited abilities. |
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Has anyone else tested whether forcefully inserting a full mag will drop the slide and chamber the first round from slide lock? The particular VP9 I shot was able to do this but I would like to know if this is relatively consistent across most units.
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Has anyone else tested whether forcefully inserting a full mag will drop the slide and chamber the first round from slide lock? The particular VP9 I shot was able to do this but I would like to know if this is relatively consistent across most units. View Quote Yes it causes the slide lock to release the slide. But that totally normal. |
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Has anyone else tested whether forcefully inserting a full mag will drop the slide and chamber the first round from slide lock? The particular VP9 I shot was able to do this but I would like to know if this is relatively consistent across most units. View Quote It's called Auto-Forwarding. The M&P is known for doing this. Some guns do and some don't, but it's usually typical across a product line. |
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[#17]
Awesome, thanks for the confirmation AZ. I like it as a "feature" for faster reloads in competition
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[#19]
Question for new VP9 owners. Is the texture on the grip as aggressive as the p30? I carry a Glock 19 for a reason. I carry the gen3 because the grip texture isn't irritating against your skin. The p30 has an aggressive grip like my HK45. Uncomfortable to carry. When I carry it I have to wear a thirst in between the handgun and my side. It is so aggressive that it snags on a cotton tshirt.
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[#20]
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Question for new VP9 owners. Is the texture on the grip as aggressive as the p30? I carry a Glock 19 for a reason. I carry the gen3 because the grip texture isn't irritating against your skin. The p30 has an aggressive grip like my HK45. Uncomfortable to carry. When I carry it I have to wear a thirst in between the handgun and my side. It is so aggressive that it snags on a cotton tshirt. View Quote I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. |
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http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875442_zps8d329821.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875438_zps5dd81fa1.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875477_zps0e59259b.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875459_zps85130fe4.jpg View Quote I really like that G19. Where'd you get the grip reduction and stippling done? Why did you cut the grip down so much? |
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Quoted: I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Question for new VP9 owners. Is the texture on the grip as aggressive as the p30? I carry a Glock 19 for a reason. I carry the gen3 because the grip texture isn't irritating against your skin. The p30 has an aggressive grip like my HK45. Uncomfortable to carry. When I carry it I have to wear a thirst in between the handgun and my side. It is so aggressive that it snags on a cotton tshirt. I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. Buys new $800 handgun, runs home and takes sandpaper to it! Yeah!
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[#23]
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Makes note: Buys new $800 handgun, runs home and takes sandpaper to it! Yeah! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Question for new VP9 owners. Is the texture on the grip as aggressive as the p30? I carry a Glock 19 for a reason. I carry the gen3 because the grip texture isn't irritating against your skin. The p30 has an aggressive grip like my HK45. Uncomfortable to carry. When I carry it I have to wear a thirst in between the handgun and my side. It is so aggressive that it snags on a cotton tshirt. I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. Buys new $800 handgun, runs home and takes sandpaper to it! Yeah! If you paid $800 you ripped yourself off. The MSRP is $719 and buys have been closer to $600. Make your gun work for you. If a gun is perfect but it's too abrasive to carry there's nothing wrong with slight sanding to take the edge off the grips. Your gun, your decision, but it's not exactly a valuable or collectable gun and resale is a moot point on a gun you pan to carry. |
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I really like that G19. Where'd you get the grip reduction and stippling done? Why did you cut the grip down so much? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875442_zps8d329821.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875438_zps5dd81fa1.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875477_zps0e59259b.jpg http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz358/thearizonacowboy/Mobile%20Uploads/1404875459_zps85130fe4.jpg I really like that G19. Where'd you get the grip reduction and stippling done? Why did you cut the grip down so much? Thank you, I did the work myself I didn't do any grip reduction, just removed the finger grooves, undercut the trigger guard, and beveled the magazine well for ripping magazines out easily. |
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Quoted: If you paid $800 you ripped yourself off. The MSRP is $719 and buys have been closer to $600. Make your gun work for you. If a gun is perfect but it's too abrasive to carry there's nothing wrong with slight sanding to take the edge off the grips. Your gun, your decision, but it's not exactly a valuable or collectable gun and resale is a moot point on a gun you pan to carry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Question for new VP9 owners. Is the texture on the grip as aggressive as the p30? I carry a Glock 19 for a reason. I carry the gen3 because the grip texture isn't irritating against your skin. The p30 has an aggressive grip like my HK45. Uncomfortable to carry. When I carry it I have to wear a thirst in between the handgun and my side. It is so aggressive that it snags on a cotton tshirt. I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. Buys new $800 handgun, runs home and takes sandpaper to it! Yeah! If you paid $800 you ripped yourself off. The MSRP is $719 and buys have been closer to $600. Make your gun work for you. If a gun is perfect but it's too abrasive to carry there's nothing wrong with slight sanding to take the edge off the grips. Your gun, your decision, but it's not exactly a valuable or collectable gun and resale is a moot point on a gun you pan to carry. |
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I'm dumb; because, I don't know the MSRP to this firearm and I don't want to take my $719 weapon and Jerry rig it with sandpaper or the other extreme a hot iron. This whole site is turning into GD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Question for new VP9 owners. Is the texture on the grip as aggressive as the p30? I carry a Glock 19 for a reason. I carry the gen3 because the grip texture isn't irritating against your skin. The p30 has an aggressive grip like my HK45. Uncomfortable to carry. When I carry it I have to wear a thirst in between the handgun and my side. It is so aggressive that it snags on a cotton tshirt. I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. Buys new $800 handgun, runs home and takes sandpaper to it! Yeah! If you paid $800 you ripped yourself off. The MSRP is $719 and buys have been closer to $600. Make your gun work for you. If a gun is perfect but it's too abrasive to carry there's nothing wrong with slight sanding to take the edge off the grips. Your gun, your decision, but it's not exactly a valuable or collectable gun and resale is a moot point on a gun you pan to carry. You're right, it is. Someone posts a problem, another person makes a suggestion and gets ridiculed for it because they don't like the answer. |
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Quoted: You're right, it is. Someone posts a problem, another person makes a suggestion and gets ridiculed for it because they don't like the answer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm sure it's nothing a small bit of sandpaper can't fix. Buys new $800 handgun, runs home and takes sandpaper to it! Yeah! If you paid $800 you ripped yourself off. The MSRP is $719 and buys have been closer to $600. Make your gun work for you. If a gun is perfect but it's too abrasive to carry there's nothing wrong with slight sanding to take the edge off the grips. Your gun, your decision, but it's not exactly a valuable or collectable gun and resale is a moot point on a gun you pan to carry. You're right, it is. Someone posts a problem, another person makes a suggestion and gets ridiculed for it because they don't like the answer. |
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[#28]
He did post a solution. How about you go away and GTFO of my thread
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[#31]
Well this thread about a firearm that most are enthused about just shit the bed.
The grip texture is not nearly as aggresive as the texture on my HK45, no belly burn here! |
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[#32]
Quoted: Well this thread about a firearm that most are enthused about just shit the bed. The grip texture is not nearly as aggresive as the texture on my HK45, no belly burn here! View Quote |
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[#33]
So in your opinion OP, is the VP9 superior to the G19 for EDC? I'm still wanting to get my hands on one to try, as I loved the P30 grip, and I'm contemplating shifting from my Gen 4 G19 to the VP9.
As far as printing goes, I've never had a problem with this as I'm a naturally big guy and usually wear a light jacket. |
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[#34]
I tried the VP9 and dry fired it couple of time. To me, PPQ trigger is way better, smother uptake and reset was shorter compare to VP9.
I take PPQ over it still at this point. Also, the right side slide release feels weaker and not well made. Looks like they just decided to add that on there at the last step of the design. Wish it looks the same as the left side. |
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[#35]
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So in your opinion OP, is the VP9 superior to the G19 for EDC? I'm still wanting to get my hands on one to try, as I loved the P30 grip, and I'm contemplating shifting from my Gen 4 G19 to the VP9. As far as printing goes, I've never had a problem with this as I'm a naturally big guy and usually wear a light jacket. View Quote In my personal opinion, yes I do think it's a better choice for EDC. It's an excellent handgun with a very good trigger, an ergonomic grip, and a few extra safety features. Oh and no BTF! I've been carrying my AIWB for about a week now and it carries about the same as the Glock 19. As a side note, I've never owned a handgun with the paddle release and it took me a whole 15 minutes to get used to it. I'm actually faster with my reloads now! |
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[#36]
Thanks for all the great objective pics.
Subjectively eyeballing the slide mass and grip it looks like a lot more handgun compared to the G19, but I have yet to hold one. Since I am not an operator (CHL) I may wait (but I doubt it!) for the next iteration to see if they come up with an SK version. Any subjective input on snap/flip compared to the low "bore axis" G19? |
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[#37]
Was wondering the same. I carry a G19 and was looking at the VP9 as I really liked the P30 feel in my hand. Sometimes I carry a G27 depending on what I wear.
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So in your opinion OP, is the VP9 superior to the G19 for EDC? I'm still wanting to get my hands on one to try, as I loved the P30 grip, and I'm contemplating shifting from my Gen 4 G19 to the VP9. As far as printing goes, I've never had a problem with this as I'm a naturally big guy and usually wear a light jacket. View Quote |
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[#38]
I happened across the vp9 last week at a small store while travelling for work. I bought it since the price was so good, the guy did $599 for the vp9 since I paid with a check. I picked up an extra magazine yesterday and when it was all said and done, the vp9 with a 3rd magazine was $120 more than the last gen4 glock I bought(a couple years ago). For me it was well worth the extra money.
Got to shoot about 100 rds this weekend and I sold my glock 19 at the range since I knew I wouldn't shoot it anymore. It shoots great, the magazine release is not an issue, and it feels much better. For me the biggest difference is the grip, a glock 19 is short and the grooves don't fit me well. I never feel like I have a good grip on it. The vp9 is definitely a full size grip, my hands don't hang off the bottom and the grooves fit very nicely. I only wear size 8 or 9 gloves. With sweaty hands the vp9 is great because it fits so well while the glock 19 was terrible with sweaty hands. I rarely carry my own guns around town, but the vp9 is a touch larger(mainly grip length) than a glock 19. If you can get over that I would get one in a heartbeat. |
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[#39]
I sure as hell wouldn't dump my G19 for the VP9, but it'll definitely be added to the collection.
My HK guns have always been favorites, and now it's nice to see the lower price point is going to make these fine pistols available to a wider group of shooters (many of whom previously bashed HK) but now, interestingly, seem to have forgotten all that whining. Turn the page HK whiners, your gun has arrived.
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[#40]
I carry my G19 and G27 on a regular basis for me to dump my G19 for the VP9 would take a lot but then again I'm still looking to find a VP9 locally.
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Why the introduction of the VP9? What role is it fitting that the P30 doesn't?
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[#43]
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Why the introduction of the VP9? What role is it fitting that the P30 doesn't? View Quote People want a quality striker fired polymer pistol with a great trigger and good ergonomics. VP9 fills that need, at a decent price point thats competetive with other offerings currently available. Glock is decent, but the Gen 4 triggers aren't that great unless you do some tinkering with it, and the ergonomics of the grip aren't that great. M&P does better on the ergonomics, but the trigger still isn't that great unless you do an aftermarket job on it. I still have my G17 for work, and I think it's a fine pistol, but the HK VP9 has it beat in just about every way. |
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People want a quality striker fired polymer pistol with a great trigger and good ergonomics. VP9 fills that need, at a decent price point thats competetive with other offerings currently available. Glock is decent, but the Gen 4 triggers aren't that great unless you do some tinkering with it, and the ergonomics of the grip aren't that great. M&P does better on the ergonomics, but the trigger still isn't that great unless you do an aftermarket job on it. I still have my G17 for work, and I think it's a fine pistol, but the HK VP9 has it beat in just about every way. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why the introduction of the VP9? What role is it fitting that the P30 doesn't? People want a quality striker fired polymer pistol with a great trigger and good ergonomics. VP9 fills that need, at a decent price point thats competetive with other offerings currently available. Glock is decent, but the Gen 4 triggers aren't that great unless you do some tinkering with it, and the ergonomics of the grip aren't that great. M&P does better on the ergonomics, but the trigger still isn't that great unless you do an aftermarket job on it. I still have my G17 for work, and I think it's a fine pistol, but the HK VP9 has it beat in just about every way. Thanks for the answer. My only guess was that it was serving as a striker-fired version of P30 in order to appeal to glock types. |
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Thanks for the answer. My only guess was that it was serving as a striker-fired version of P30 in order to appeal to glock types. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why the introduction of the VP9? What role is it fitting that the P30 doesn't? People want a quality striker fired polymer pistol with a great trigger and good ergonomics. VP9 fills that need, at a decent price point thats competetive with other offerings currently available. Glock is decent, but the Gen 4 triggers aren't that great unless you do some tinkering with it, and the ergonomics of the grip aren't that great. M&P does better on the ergonomics, but the trigger still isn't that great unless you do an aftermarket job on it. I still have my G17 for work, and I think it's a fine pistol, but the HK VP9 has it beat in just about every way. Thanks for the answer. My only guess was that it was serving as a striker-fired version of P30 in order to appeal to glock types. Well, in fairness there's probably a lot of truth in your guess, it shares a lot with the P30 frame but with some improvement, but the real selling point on this gun is the trigger. I think most would agree that in general, striker pistol triggers are nothing to write home about, but the VP9 really changes that right out of the box, along with flat out better ergonomics. If you get a chance to handle one, you'll see the difference. Glock has been sitting on it's ass with basically the same pistol for the last 30 years or so, incrementally upgrading with each generation, a lot of people would actually consider the G4 a step back. S&W started to chip away at the striker market, now HK is doing the same, with a demonstrably better product than either. Will it kill Glock or the M&P? Absolutely not, but it should prove to be a viable competitor in the market. |
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Well, in fairness there's probably a lot of truth in your guess, it shares a lot with the P30 frame but with some improvement, but the real selling point on this gun is the trigger. I think most would agree that in general, striker pistol triggers are nothing to write home about, but the VP9 really changes that right out of the box, along with flat out better ergonomics. If you get a chance to handle one, you'll see the difference. Glock has been sitting on it's ass with basically the same pistol for the last 30 years or so, incrementally upgrading with each generation, a lot of people would actually consider the G4 a step back. S&W started to chip away at the striker market, now HK is doing the same, with a demonstrably better product than either. Will it kill Glock or the M&P? Absolutely not, but it should prove to be a viable competitor in the market. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why the introduction of the VP9? What role is it fitting that the P30 doesn't? People want a quality striker fired polymer pistol with a great trigger and good ergonomics. VP9 fills that need, at a decent price point thats competetive with other offerings currently available. Glock is decent, but the Gen 4 triggers aren't that great unless you do some tinkering with it, and the ergonomics of the grip aren't that great. M&P does better on the ergonomics, but the trigger still isn't that great unless you do an aftermarket job on it. I still have my G17 for work, and I think it's a fine pistol, but the HK VP9 has it beat in just about every way. Thanks for the answer. My only guess was that it was serving as a striker-fired version of P30 in order to appeal to glock types. Well, in fairness there's probably a lot of truth in your guess, it shares a lot with the P30 frame but with some improvement, but the real selling point on this gun is the trigger. I think most would agree that in general, striker pistol triggers are nothing to write home about, but the VP9 really changes that right out of the box, along with flat out better ergonomics. If you get a chance to handle one, you'll see the difference. Glock has been sitting on it's ass with basically the same pistol for the last 30 years or so, incrementally upgrading with each generation, a lot of people would actually consider the G4 a step back. S&W started to chip away at the striker market, now HK is doing the same, with a demonstrably better product than either. Will it kill Glock or the M&P? Absolutely not, but it should prove to be a viable competitor in the market. The VP9 is the pistol I was looking to buy, back in 2008 but just didn't exist yet. Honestly, this is a bit of a dream come true for me and I find myself finally going home to HK |
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