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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:24:19 PM

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My sister bought her first pistol about a month ago. Under my advice she went with the pistol that felt the best regardless of cost, the HK P30 in 9mm.
Some basic info before I get into the issue
HK P30, 10rd mags(NY limit), Independence brand ammo 115gr standard load

Last weekend I took her out to get her started and work on some basics and build her comfort level. She only had one box of 50rds, included by the dealer for free. I wasn't there when she picked up the pistol otherwise I woul have told her to get more and a different brand.
We went through the whole box and had a few stove pipe jams. 3 of the 4 jams happens when she was shooting and the last happened when I shot it.
This concerned me because HK should be flawless out of the box. I've heard nothing but good about them for years.

So I'm trying to figure out possible causes, let me know if I'm on the right track.
First: crappy ammo. Independence is not the best from my own past experiences. I'm thinking some of the rounds were under powered and just didn't cycle the slide correctly.
Second: she was limp wristing and that lead to the short cycling. The time it jammed for me I was intentionally limp wristing it to try to induce the malfunction.
Third: the capicity limited mags somehow messed with the feeding and caused the jams.

So am I missing anything? Any known issues with the P30?

I've already ordered better ammo and my sis and I are going to split a case.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 2:17:09 AM
I own both an HK45 and P30. Both had issues stove piping out of the box. With the HK45, I was limp wristing it. I hold it firmer now and have not had an issue in the last 400 rounds. With the P30, I bought 1,000 rounds of reloaded 9mm from a gun show, its weak ammo, and it stove pipes. At first it was like every 3 rounds, now its like once a clip. If I use any other factory ammo, it runs with issues. I had the same disappoinment with my HK45 when I first got it, and also thought it should run like you would expect an HK to run. From the forums, I found that HK's can have very strong, very quick springs. It was suggested to me to lock the slide back, and leave it like that for 3 or 4 days to weaken the spring a little. I did that, and shot about 200 rounds thru it and its good to go now. I have purposley tried to limp wrist it again, and out of maybe 30 rounds limp wristing, I only ever got one more stove pipe.

Tell her to lock that slide back for a couple days, hell leave it like that a week. Then shoot some different factory ammo. You will be good to go.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:06:33 AM
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Originally Posted By Tengo1:
I own both an HK45 and P30. Both had issues stove piping out of the box. With the HK45, I was limp wristing it. I hold it firmer now and have not had an issue in the last 400 rounds. With the P30, I bought 1,000 rounds of reloaded 9mm from a gun show, its weak ammo, and it stove pipes. At first it was like every 3 rounds, now its like once a clip. If I use any other factory ammo, it runs with issues. I had the same disappoinment with my HK45 when I first got it, and also thought it should run like you would expect an HK to run. From the forums, I found that HK's can have very strong, very quick springs. It was suggested to me to lock the slide back, and leave it like that for 3 or 4 days to weaken the spring a little. I did that, and shot about 200 rounds thru it and its good to go now. I have purposley tried to limp wrist it again, and out of maybe 30 rounds limp wristing, I only ever got one more stove pipe.

Tell her to lock that slide back for a couple days, hell leave it like that a week. Then shoot some different factory ammo. You will be good to go.




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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:33:04 PM
Was it a new pistol?

I was told when I got my P30 to run about 200 rounds of 124gr ammo through it for a break in on the spring. I did and have never had any problems with it. After the 200 rounds of 124gr I have run 115gr in it with not one malfunction.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 6:11:21 PM
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In contrary to what many people say some guns need a break it time to wear in the springs and contacts.

All my Glock, hk, Kahrs needed it in one way or another. My gf got my Glock to jam twice in the first 100 rounds and nothing since then even limp writing. My P200SK jammed on the first mag and could be limp wristed jammed in the first 200. My USP could be limpwristed for a small period. Etc...

A dead giveaway of needing to be broken in is brass ejecting close to your face initially. All my new handguns do this at first. The engineers design these recoil springs to last 10000 rounds and if they put a spring that initially isn't stiff it won't last and won't handle +p loads well.

You can shoot more powerful ammo which will mask any issues and break the gun in at the same time. Or just manually cycle the slide 100 times and leave it locked back for a week.


That is completely normal behavior, especially with that independence ammo (blue and white box right). Once the gun is broken in it'll run cheap ammo like that no problem. For now maybe get a few boxes of 124gr full power or just deal with it.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:31:00 PM
Others have said the same thing but i'll repeat it anyways. Shoot it some more and let the springs and contact points break in.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:26:51 PM
I would guess underpowered ammo and limp wristing. Give it to an accomplished shooter and see if they have the same issue. If not ...
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:47:02 PM
Thanks for all the advice. Yes it's a new pistol, so I'm sure now it's just the spring that needs to be broken in.
The brass was just barely being ejected, mostly falling at our feet.
I told her to lock the slide back for a week straight, and she's going shooting this weekend again, so I told her to put as many rounds through it as she can.

I'm pretty sure that should fix the issue.

Again, thanks for the help.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 6:58:54 PM
Originally Posted By DoctorNo:
I would guess underpowered ammo and limp wristing. Give it to an accomplished shooter and see if they have the same issue. If not ...


That's my guess. I'm 5k rounds deep through my P30 and not a single hiccup. Use some hotter ammo for first 50-100 rounds to stretch her legs. Hold her tight and firm
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Posted: 8/11/2012 7:49:07 PM
If it keeps hardly ejecting or stove-piping after a 100 rounds or so contact HK customer service; no matter which company there can always be lemons from time to time.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 12:03:32 AM
Originally Posted By ch45x7:
The brass was just barely being ejected, mostly falling at our feet.


If that is the case, it is an ammo issue. Buy good ammo and I bet it all goes away. If the ammo is underpowered or crap, no matter what you do to the pistol it won't have enough energy to cycle correctly.

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Posted: 8/12/2012 1:28:09 AM
I ran 250 rds of 124 grain NATO through my brand new P30. Not one hiccup.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 8:58:04 PM
My Glock 17 did the same when new. Now it never does. Didnt have issues with my USP 45 but it was used
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Posted: 8/25/2012 5:34:19 PM
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If it hasn't been mentioned already, independence ammo is garbage. Brass cased does not automatically equal quality. I'd sooner run wolf than independence ammo. That's probably the reason with all the failures early on.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 4:20:03 PM
Originally Posted By AKSU:
I ran 250 rds of 124 grain NATO through my brand new P30. Not one hiccup.



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