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Posted: 4/12/2012 5:58:02 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
Half an hour later I was on the range. No cleaning, no lubricating, no nothing but taken out of the box and checked for a bore obstruction. The first thing that became quite evident (and discussed in another thread of mine) is that for use as a speedy reload the stellar clips are useless. They simply hold on to the cartridges far too loosely to survive a pocket. They do however provide for an instantaneous ejection of the empties with a quickness clipless revolvers can only envy.
The cylinder is however cut for case mouth headspace and the stellar clips can be omitted completely and the gun still shoot. I figure for ccw my first five will be clipped once ejected reloaded from a speed strip. After those are expended if I need another reload I'm probably toast anyways. Recoil with the practice grade factory ammunition and my 95g sp handloads I had on hand seemed quite on par with 38spl. At first I had a tendency to shoot left but whatever bad habit I had started with went away the more I shot. Accuracy IMO was quite good for an average handgunner such as me single action slowfiring at 12yds. In a defense situation I definitely wouldn't be missing because of the gun.
DA rapid fire from the holster yielded more than satisfactory results (two cylinder dumps pictured) with the somewhat less than outstanding estate ammunition. 12yds
As mentioned previously recoil was very 38 like. This is likely largely due to the somewhat weak ammunition I was firing. The 115g estate FMJ went over the chrony at 1050fps and my 95g pulled SP over a Max charge of hs6 registered 1260 fps in a kinda dirty way. Out of 100 rounds there were no malfunctions. However there were 3 rounds from my bulk who knows where the brass came from handloads that wouldn't chamber fully thus preventing the cylinder from swinging closed . On two it appeared to be due to the cases being out of spec from the rim to extractor groove, these two fired without the stellar clips. The third I think was just a bulged case. It wouldn't work with or without clips. There were no issues with the new ammunition, and the three reloaded rounds problems were evident apoun loading. All in all a very fun cheap to feed piece. I burned up all 100rounds I had on hand in no time FIVE AT A TIME:D and best of all a quick range scrounge had me leaving with 100% more brass than I arrived with. |
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Posted: 4/12/2012 10:00:45 PM
Regarding the moon clips, I found a way to stack them 4 deep in a micro pocket holster. Have been running with a 5.11 tactical holster shirt with my 905 in the left pocket and the stacked moon clips in the holster on the right, then throwing the moon clip holster back into my travel bag along with the gun when done. It took about the 7th time out running before some of the bottom rounds fell loose from the moon clip during a run. I figure a more solid cylandrical way of stacking them will prevent any loosening of the rounds in the clips.
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Posted: 4/14/2012 6:27:10 PM
[Last Edit: 4/14/2012 6:29:08 PM by VASCAR2]
Thanks for posting as I have been looking at these for a couple of years. I think the 9MM is a great revolver round. I used to load 90 grain (Sierra .355) JHP in 38 Special model 60 years ago because they had light recoil but higher muzzle velocity than a 380. I figure a model 905 with Remington or Federal 115 hollow points would deliver at least 1100 FPS which is better than any +P+ 110 38 spl load out of a 2 inch J frame. I looked at buying a S&W 547 years ago when they came out but I never found one or never had the money. I've also been looking for a S&W 940 J frame but same thing either way over priced or I don't have the cash at the time.
The new Charter arms in 40 and 9 MM look promising but time will tell. If you ever get any Chronograph results from different loads I wish you would post them. |
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Posted: 4/15/2012 12:27:53 AM
[Last Edit: 4/15/2012 12:29:36 AM by Krochus]
I took another trip to the range earlier and chronographed some more loads with some rather astonishing results if you ask me First off were some shortend 38s&w cases (think 9mm autorim) loaded with 3.0g of ww231 under a 124g plated HB RN. These were good for 630fps. This load will be increased. Next were the real eye openers! Speer factory 124g +P GDHP ammunition averaged 1155fps for five shots! This is smoking from a snubby and flat out puts 38spl back on the trailer. Most interesting of all though is I had ONE round of the infamous L7A1 124g +p++ NATO submachine gun ammo. This solo round registered 1233 fps over the screens :eek: with sticky extraction and a pierced primer. Even at these impressive performance levels recoil and blast remains on par with a 38 snubby and nowhere near the obnoxious levels you get from a 357mag in a short barrel. IMO 9x19 is much better suited to this platform than ANY of its rimmed counterparts. |
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Posted: 4/15/2012 6:45:58 PM
Thanks, for posting and it would be interesting to see what some of my +P+ 115 grain WW JHP would do out of the Taurus. They chronographed 1300 FPS out of a 5904 and 439 duty pistols. Out of my 3913 and 6904 they chronographed 1275 and out of a Glock 17 about 1375 FPS. I figure they would be close to 1280 to 1300 FPS out of your Taurus 905. These duty rounds didn't produce hardly any flash and blast was a lot better than 357 mag. revolver.
I ought to shoot some through my friends model 17L Glock as they would probably be about 1425 + FPS which is pretty good out of a handgun. Out of a 16" carbine I think they were around 1500 FPS and pretty flat shooting. I still think the 9 MM is a very efficient cartridge for a J frame size revolver. |
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Posted: 5/18/2012 12:08:02 PM
[Last Edit: 5/18/2012 12:09:16 PM by scotchymcdrinkerbean]
As an aside末-I have a 905 myself, and noticed the same thing about the stellar clips with almost all ammo except Winchester. With Winchester 124 FMJ or RA9B (the only varieties of Winchester I had on hand when I bought it,) the rounds are held in place firmly on the clips.
ETA: My preferred 9mm carry round is 147 Gold Dots, so I loaded those first and saw the same issues you saw––-then loaded some of the Winchester FMJ to shoot the thing, and upon seeing the difference, tried the RA9B and discovered the above. |
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Posted: 5/24/2012 1:29:55 PM
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
As an aside末-I have a 905 myself, and noticed the same thing about the stellar clips with almost all ammo except Winchester. With Winchester 124 FMJ or RA9B (the only varieties of Winchester I had on hand when I bought it,) the rounds are held in place firmly on the clips. ETA: My preferred 9mm carry round is 147 Gold Dots, so I loaded those first and saw the same issues you saw末-then loaded some of the Winchester FMJ to shoot the thing, and upon seeing the difference, tried the RA9B and discovered the above. I have the 405 (.40 SW) and noticed the same thing with Winchester ammo locking up solid in the moon clips. I ordered a few clips from TK Custom and hope they are sturdier with other types of ammo. https://www.moonclips.com/cart/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=88&cat=Taurus+%2D+Moonclips |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 5:33:54 PM
Originally Posted By brushdog:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
As an aside末-I have a 905 myself, and noticed the same thing about the stellar clips with almost all ammo except Winchester. With Winchester 124 FMJ or RA9B (the only varieties of Winchester I had on hand when I bought it,) the rounds are held in place firmly on the clips. ETA: My preferred 9mm carry round is 147 Gold Dots, so I loaded those first and saw the same issues you saw末-then loaded some of the Winchester FMJ to shoot the thing, and upon seeing the difference, tried the RA9B and discovered the above. I have the 405 (.40 SW) and noticed the same thing with Winchester ammo locking up solid in the moon clips. I ordered a few clips from TK Custom and hope they are sturdier with other types of ammo. https://www.moonclips.com/cart/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=88&cat=Taurus+%2D+Moonclips How do you like your .40 Cal revolver? Have any Chronograph data? |
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Posted: 5/28/2012 6:03:54 PM
Originally Posted By Krochus:
Originally Posted By brushdog:
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
As an aside末-I have a 905 myself, and noticed the same thing about the stellar clips with almost all ammo except Winchester. With Winchester 124 FMJ or RA9B (the only varieties of Winchester I had on hand when I bought it,) the rounds are held in place firmly on the clips. ETA: My preferred 9mm carry round is 147 Gold Dots, so I loaded those first and saw the same issues you saw末-then loaded some of the Winchester FMJ to shoot the thing, and upon seeing the difference, tried the RA9B and discovered the above. I have the 405 (.40 SW) and noticed the same thing with Winchester ammo locking up solid in the moon clips. I ordered a few clips from TK Custom and hope they are sturdier with other types of ammo. https://www.moonclips.com/cart/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=88&cat=Taurus+%2D+Moonclips How do you like your .40 Cal revolver? Have any Chronograph data? The finish isn't perfect with some machine marks in the trigger guard and the cylinder latch screw was working itself out when I first got it. A little lock-tite on it and it hasn't moved since I like it though. Recoil is stout with factory 155 and 180 grain ammo. I'm planning on doing reloading some lighter loads for practicing with. The clips are thin and Federal and Remington cases hang loosely. The Winchester cases I have fit snug and probably wouldn't come off if I carried them in a loose pocket. I managed to leave my clips behind at the range the first time I took it out though. I've been shooting it without them and decided to order some from TK Custom now that they are making them for the 405. Hopefully they'll be here soon so I can try them out at the range this week. I don't have a chronograph to use but I might pick one up this summer when I get a chance to start reloading. Here are some pictures:
30 shots, most at 7 yards with a few at 10 yards.
If this is hijacking your thread, let me know and I'll edit my pictures out. |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 10:17:24 PM
Do you reload? If so I found a little trick if you don't like moon clips for the 9mm. Trim down 38 special cartriges to 9mm length, and size through a 9mm die. You end up with rimmed 9mm, ejector works like a 38/357 after that.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 12:47:02 AM
Originally Posted By oxnardkid:
Do you reload? If so I found a little trick if you don't like moon clips for the 9mm. Trim down 38 special cartriges to 9mm length, and size through a 9mm die. You end up with rimmed 9mm, ejector works like a 38/357 after that.
Use 38s&w (not special) . They're not undersized above the rim like cut down spl cartridges are. Much less trimming too. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 12:01:24 PM
Yeah, the stellar clips are a little loose out of the box, but a little tweaking with a screwdriver tightened them up "enough" for me. I'm not having rounds fall out of the clip while I'm trying to drop it in place anymore. It does shoot VERY nice. Less recoil than my larger 9x19 SA, presumably due to the weight. The Taurus is a heavy little beastie. Only problems so far were a few light strikes in the first 50 rounds and a few cylinder lockups in the next 50 rounds. Been fine since then.
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