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Posted: 1/5/2011 9:17:02 PM
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Posted: 1/5/2011 10:18:15 PM
In the same exact boat. Wanting to carry and looking for a single stacked gun for my small frame. LOVED the feel and looks of the Taurus (liked having a safety, too). The Kahr is my second option. However, i'm very concerned about the quality of the Taurus.
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Posted: 1/5/2011 10:23:21 PM
I have a PT-709 that is my daily carry. It has well over a thousand rounds of all types of FMJ and JHP rounds through it without any significant issues. It's nice enough shooting that I have no problem putting 50-100 rounds through it every month for practice. It's MUCH better shooting than the PF-9. My brother has a PF-9 that I've shot quite a lot - no comparison in my mind that the 709 is much more comfortable to shoot.
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Posted: 1/5/2011 10:28:52 PM
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1000rnds is not a bad round count at all, least shes holding up, any break in issues or minor recurring issues there after (FTF, stovepipes etc.)? glad to know it shoots softer than the PF-9, had considered it but as my wife may carry/shoot it too I didnt want somthing as snappy as i had heard and seen(youtube) the PF-9 to be
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Posted: 1/5/2011 10:41:22 PM
Mine has been good since I took it out of the box. Taurus seems to love cramming their guns with a white preservative grease that you have to get thoroughly cleaned out before you shoot it for the first time. The 709 needs to be kept very clean - about the only 'concern' with it. Not really a concern for me, though, as I clean my guns every time I shoot them.
Some folks have had issues with their 709s - I don't doubt that they've had problems, but I'm completely confident in mine. That's why I carry it. It's small enough to pocket carry in loose pants, and is easily concealable in an IWB holster or my SmartCarry. You'll read a lot about 709s shooting low and left - again, I've never had this issue. Mine has always been able to put 25 rounds COM at 7 yards. A couple of other things I like about the 709 - the manual safety and the 'second-strike' trigger. And as I said, it might not be what you'd call a range gun, but its easy to put rounds through often enough to get a lot of good practice. I'm confident enough in my 709 that I'll be giving it to my wife for her to carry - as soon as I get my new PT-145 with enough rounds through it to be as confident with it as I am with the 709. |
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Posted: 1/5/2011 10:52:36 PM
super glad to hear it, kept finding "taurus are bad guns" and "it has issues" although nobody clearly said what they were and could have easily been shooter error.....
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Posted: 1/5/2011 11:06:56 PM
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BigeasySnow
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Posted: 1/5/2011 11:38:35 PM
I have one. Sent it back twice. Still waiting to get it back so I can sell it. If they've managed to fix it this time. 
They sent it back the first time saying they'd "Adjusted the FTF and changed the FTE" on the packing slip. I was warned against Taurus, but I bought it because no one I knew had had any problems with that model and simple brand-hate isn't enough to make me not buy a gun. I bought it to replace a Kahr PM9. I wish I'd gotten a Keltec P9 instead.  |
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Posted: 1/6/2011 11:16:52 AM
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
I have one. Sent it back twice. Still waiting to get it back so I can sell it. If they've managed to fix it this time.
They sent it back the first time saying they'd "Adjusted the FTF and changed the FTE" on the packing slip. I was warned against Taurus, but I bought it because no one I knew had had any problems with that model and simple brand-hate isn't enough to make me not buy a gun. I bought it to replace a Kahr PM9. I wish I'd gotten a Keltec P9 instead. you get much better results out of taurus customer service if you call them and then send a VERY detailed note with the pistol that explains EXACTLY what issues your having |
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Posted: 1/6/2011 11:34:03 AM
[Last Edit: 1/7/2011 11:54:11 AM by BigeasySnow]
Originally Posted By dan1802:
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
I have one. Sent it back twice. Still waiting to get it back so I can sell it. If they've managed to fix it this time.
They sent it back the first time saying they'd "Adjusted the FTF and changed the FTE" on the packing slip. I was warned against Taurus, but I bought it because no one I knew had had any problems with that model and simple brand-hate isn't enough to make me not buy a gun. I bought it to replace a Kahr PM9. I wish I'd gotten a Keltec P9 instead. you get much better results out of taurus customer service if you call them and then send a VERY detailed note with the pistol that explains EXACTLY what issues your having Thanks. I'll definitely be calling them if they don't fix it this time. Taurus customer service seems to be hit or miss depending on who you get on the phone.
eta: Forgot to mention, it wasn't just me. Each time, I'd hand it over to someone else who shoots better than me and doesn't have tiny limp girly wrists. Happened to him too, with various kinds of ammo. |
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Posted: 1/7/2011 10:41:51 AM
Mine has been trouble-free as well, for 400 rounds or so. There are a lot of haters who have never shot one. Ignore them.
It's a later manufacture date, and so came with the improved extractor. Mine is probably trouble-free because I ordered a replacement extractor and recoil spring for it though - some guy named Murphy says that parts you have spares for never break. My only observation is that once the trigger slack is taken up, it has the shortest length of pull of any 9mm pistol. So short, that you'll probably over-finger the trigger and put your shots low and left. This seems to be the biggest complaint, although of course, people blame the gun, not their grip. Getting something to wrap the grip (bike inner tube, pachmayr, hogue, or decelerator grips) so it fits your particular hand better seems to help the average to large-sized shooters a great deal, but then, so would practice. |
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Posted: 1/7/2011 1:26:59 PM
I own one.
I bought it in February of this past year. Worked great once I cleaned the white lithium grease from it's insides; worked great until about 600 rounds.... Then every fourth or fifth shot it would FTF. I spoke with Taurus and they mailed me a replacement extractor as they said that fixes most of them. Well that didn't help so the gun was picked up by Taurus and spent 7 weeks in Miami. They ended up replacing the slide, that's why it took so long, apparently they stripped the rear sight screw whole out... Regardless, after it's vacation I've fired about 500+ rounds through it and I haven't had anymore problems. There is one guy on TaurusArmed that speculated the FTF is most often caused by worn/weak recoil springs. There may be some truth to that as that was one of the parts that was replaced on mine I think. |
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Posted: 1/7/2011 1:28:28 PM
I have 900-1000 rounds through mine, no problems what so over. I carry it as a BUG, or when its the only thing i can cover/throw in my pocket.
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Posted: 1/9/2011 9:08:46 PM
I have one as well and really like it. I hope the following information helps you with your decision.
I bought it from a friend who was having problems with it... fail to eject or stove pipe at least once per mag. I did some messing around with it after buying it from him and found it was defiantly the extractor. (I believe it had the older version extractor as the new one was different... I filed a little bit of the claw tip after shooting a mag and the problem kept getting worse) So I called Taurus and after a very long wait they finally sent me the parts... ended up with two new extractors actually so i have a spare now. I did some posting in this thread while I was waiting for the new part: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=26&t=101012 After installing the new extractor the gun performed flawless. While my gun did have problems, I bought it knowing it had problems and with a little common sense they are not hard to fix. Just like any other mechanical mechanism. The internals are very very similar to glock. While I don't know if I would say its as good as a glock I will say it is a good gun and trust it. It is my primary carry now. I have probably a few hundred rounds through it since I fixed the extractor. I have tried several different brands of ammo and mine does not seem to be picky. It even eats all of my reloads with no problems. Like some previous posters stated I do believe the shooting low and to the left complaint is indeed a direct result of the style trigger pull of this gun. If you watch your sights while you pull the trigger when dry firing you can watch it pull low and to the left. You just have to practice to over come it. Its not hard to get used to but you do have to practice. Another thing to remember is a lot of people post online when they are having problems with something. I would wager to say defiantly more so then people post when something just works. That's why its a lot easier to find negative info on the net then positive. (that holds true for a lot of things) I would recommend this gun. I would also recommend running a few hundred rounds through it before committing it to carry. If it has a problem fix it or get it fixed. I know where I work its not uncommon to get a problem glock... I have seen at least 3 that had to go back even after changing out the majority of the parts. I also recommend this holster for it: Uncle mikes 'Baby Bet Black Kodra Nylon Belt Slide Holster' It says for: " Baby Bet™ holds .22 and .25 autos and very small frame .380s " but it works great for the slim... http://www.unclemikes.com/products/sidebet_babybet_holsters.html Here are some detailed photos of the gun, its parts and the holster I mentioned above. (I know I always like to look at some good photos when considering a gun or something similar. They can often be hard to find...) 
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Posted: 1/10/2011 8:47:07 AM
Originally Posted By thederrick106:
I have one as well and really like it. I hope the following information helps you with your decision. I bought it from a friend who was having problems with it... fail to eject or stove pipe at least once per mag. I did some messing around with it after buying it from him and found it was defiantly the extractor. (I believe it had the older version extractor as the new one was different... I filed a little bit of the claw tip after shooting a mag and the problem kept getting worse) So I called Taurus and after a very long wait they finally sent me the parts... ended up with two new extractors actually so i have a spare now. I did some posting in this thread while I was waiting for the new part: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=26&t=101012 After installing the new extractor the gun performed flawless. While my gun did have problems, I bought it knowing it had problems and with a little common sense they are not hard to fix. Just like any other mechanical mechanism. The internals are very very similar to glock. While I don't know if I would say its as good as a glock I will say it is a good gun and trust it. It is my primary carry now. I have probably a few hundred rounds through it since I fixed the extractor. I have tried several different brands of ammo and mine does not seem to be picky. It even eats all of my reloads with no problems. Like some previous posters stated I do believe the shooting low and to the left complaint is indeed a direct result of the style trigger pull of this gun. If you watch your sights while you pull the trigger when dry firing you can watch it pull low and to the left. You just have to practice to over come it. Its not hard to get used to but you do have to practice. Another thing to remember is a lot of people post online when they are having problems with something. I would wager to say defiantly more so then people post when something just works. That's why its a lot easier to find negative info on the net then positive. (that holds true for a lot of things) I would recommend this gun. I would also recommend running a few hundred rounds through it before committing it to carry. If it has a problem fix it or get it fixed. I know where I work its not uncommon to get a problem glock... I have seen at least 3 that had to go back even after changing out the majority of the parts. I also recommend this holster for it: Uncle mikes 'Baby Bet Black Kodra Nylon Belt Slide Holster' It says for: " Baby Bet™ holds .22 and .25 autos and very small frame .380s " but it works great for the slim... http://www.unclemikes.com/products/sidebet_babybet_holsters.html Here are some detailed photos of the gun, its parts and the holster I mentioned above. (I know I always like to look at some good photos when considering a gun or something similar. They can often be hard to find...) http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0399.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0400.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0404.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0405.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0406.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0407.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0408.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0410.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0411.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0413.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0414.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0415.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0417.jpg http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/thederrick206/gear%20pics/DSCN0421.jpg Looks just like mine, except yours has a serial on the slide... My slide was replaced under warranty. |
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Posted: 1/11/2011 12:16:57 AM
I'm hoping Bersa will start importing their BC9 to add another player to the field of slim 9mms
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Posted: 1/11/2011 12:19:22 AM
Friends don't let friends buy Taurus!
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Posted: 1/13/2011 7:45:07 PM
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I wouldn't advise it, at least not until they have worked out the problems. Had mine break twice in under a year.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 7:30:17 AM
Originally Posted By thunderw21:
I wouldn't advise it, at least not until they have worked out the problems. Had mine break twice in under a year. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=26&t=95472 From what I have found it seems like the recoil springs on a lot of small 9mm and the PT709 in this case need replacing every 500+ rounds. I will have a better idea after I get some more rounds through mine this spring. Every 100 rounds or so and I will try a lower power reload to see if it will function, if it does that will prove the recoil spring is getting worn and causing problems. I would wager to guess mine already has about 200 rounds through it. I already tried some low power loads and they would not fully function the slide... |
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Posted: 1/27/2011 1:10:18 PM
Just got one, love it. Mag dropped out until I bent out the edges of the notch in the magazine just a hair. No more issues there, feeds everything so far, no problems with HP either.
Far better in just about every way than my PF9 which WAS my carry gun. Looks like i'll be picking up a few spare parts just in case, or heck maybe a second PT709 :D |
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Posted: 1/27/2011 2:09:28 PM
Originally Posted By mykrowyre:
Just got one, love it. Mag dropped out until I bent out the edges of the notch in the magazine just a hair. No more issues there, feeds everything so far, no problems with HP either. Far better in just about every way than my PF9 which WAS my carry gun. Looks like i'll be picking up a few spare parts just in case, or heck maybe a second PT709 :D I just ordered 2 spare recoil springs from Taurus for 9$ each. I am sure I could have lied and told them it was broken and gotten a replacement for free (they did send me a new extractor for free) but I would rather just order them, have the spares, and be done with it. 
I really like mine. It is my main carry gun now as well. |
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Posted: 2/11/2011 7:14:55 PM
I like the fact that the Taurus is made w/ stainless slide, that's a big plus in FL with all the sweating.
However, Keltec says their PF9 is the thinnest 9mm auto. I can't find any measurements on the 709 on Taurus' website. Which is the thinnest compact? |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 4:20:34 PM
I have one and have put about 300 rounds through it without a failure. I've used several types of inexpensive ball ammo and a box of Hornady Critical Defense rounds. The gun hits where I aim and the recoil is surprisingly manageable. I use it as my car gun, coat pocket gun, primary in IWB and sometimes BUG.
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Posted: 2/9/2012 11:04:01 PM
[Last Edit: 2/9/2012 11:04:32 PM by Alex_B69]
Recoil spring and guide broke in half after 120 rounds of factory 115gr fmj ammo. Sent it back to the factory via my dealer and got it back in about 3 weeks. Sold it.
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Posted: 3/19/2012 10:35:54 PM
I've had mine for almost a year now, shot prob 800-1000 rounds, mainly WWB and federal, but also hornady and gold dot HP. I've never had a FTF/FTE or any other issues with the gun. I had similar reservations about the gun when I first bought it and heard about all the issues people were having. I also bought a TCP at the same time and was having issues with feeding HP as well as a few FTE's. I was really worried about using my 709 as a carry gun. But I suppose I was one of the lucky ones and ended up with a trouble free Taurus. As far as I'm concerned, it passes my standards to use for carry. It's not as accurate as my glock 26, but it is still getting 3-4 inch groupings at 7yds, and I have no problem hitting where I need to on speed drills. I will still carry my 26 as my daily gun, but the 709 has proven itself as my other carry gun, when I can't take my glock. It's small and thin enough to wear with shorts and a tight t-shirt, as well as pocket carry if absolutely needed. I also use it in a groin holster while running and at the gym. I can only speak about my experience, but I know that others have had terrible experiences with the gun/taurus CS.
So take it with a grain of salt, and be sure to put a few hundred rounds with your gun before you decide to carry! :) |
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Posted: 5/7/2012 12:13:03 AM
[Last Edit: 5/7/2012 12:17:49 AM by mykrowyre]
PT709 Slide Width .962" (at thickest part, .924" average)
PF9 Slide With .876" Difference is approximately the thickness of a nickel. Really it's not much. Here are some differences: PF9: Double Action only, and only one trigger pull. So if it misfires, you need to rack the slide and eject a round. Dry firing bad... will peen ejector screw and cause it to strip threads on removal, or break firing pin. Rail is nice, but useless really. Gun rattles when you shake it. Very loose tolerances, slides have been known to jump off the rails. Sights suck. Not really adjustable except in windage. Cannot release slide lock with thumb, slide need to be pulled back and released. Recoil SUCKS period. (ouch!) No safety (not really a problem since it's DA only but worth mentioning) Accurate when it works. Picky about ammo (most but not all) Very thin. Belt clip option is awesome. This is the ONLY reason I still own my PF9. PT709: Single Action first, then Double Action. Trigger is ALWAYS single action... unless light strike and round does not go off. Then you pull trigger again and it is double action for that shot. Very nice! Trigger pull on the PT709 is waaay shorter and ligher than the PF9. Single action trigger means belt clip instead of holster would not be a good idea (athough there is a trigger safety like the glock PLUS a real safety) Sights fully adjustable. Gun has a built in slide/trigger lock. Does not rattle when you shake it, tolerances are very tight. Very light recoil. Larger trigger guard for gloves, etc. Chambered round indicator Floor plates curved to match cartridge (unlike the PF9 which has floor plates which wear out because they are flat). Real slide catch and thumb release. Real Safety Not quite as accurate as the PF9, but accurate enough. No complaints. Not picky about ammo Sorry but for me it's a no-brainer... the PT709 wins, but the PF9 is worth keeping around for hot summer days and light clothing, etc. If forced to trust my life to one, it would be the PT709. I still carry the PF9 when I am expecting lots of hugs (holidays) or when running, bike riding, etc.. it's just a little thinner since you can wear it without a holster, just a belt clip. Just remember to bend out the mag catch lips on the magazine and you'll be good to go. |
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