 rightwingnut 
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Posted: 8/4/2012 5:39:23 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT The gun is a aluminum J frame. If you turn the holster upside down the gun just falls out like water from a cup. I have a molded leather Alessi IWB for the same gun. I can shake that one like a can of cold spray paint and I can't get the gun to fall out even upside down. I know sometimes old west style holsters are not particularly tight, but that is usually for long barreled guns. I dont' feel even remotely comfortable with this. I feel like I could lounge on the couch and unknowingly the gun could fall out... Unless I am in bed or the shower, or sometimes at work I am always armed, w/ a Glock in a molded leather OWB. I do chores, errands, yard work, change the oil, hold the baby, watch TV etc always armed w/ total confidence. It is unreasobable to expect this for a J Frame OWB holster? I just dont' know what I am going to do if the maker tells me that is how the holster is supposed to be. 
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Posted: 8/4/2012 6:47:16 PM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 6:48:56 PM by Him]
That isn't right.
Any decent holster manufacturer makes holsters which fit the pistol for which they are designed. It definitely should not fall out when the holster is inverted. Good luck, and come back to tell us how it goes, and if it goes poorly, who the manufacturer is. I am assuming that this is a custom holster, if not, I guess all bets are off. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:15:14 PM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 7:18:00 PM by rightwingnut]
I called and when the lady who takes calls was told it fell out when updide down she said:
"why would you want to turn upside down?"  But she wasn't kidding.
She also didn't seem to understand my expectations of retention. But, the actual craftsmen were already gone and we will talk on Monday. It is standard offering pancake type holster in their catalog but I had them build up a body shield on the back of it so it is not returnable for a refund supposedly. |
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OiRogers
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:36:28 PM
Does retention improve when you put it on your belt/waist?
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SGB
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:58:42 PM
Who's the maker?
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Posted: 8/4/2012 9:25:45 PM
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Does retention improve when you put it on your belt/waist? This. I have holsters that when off body won't hold anything but when you put them on your belt the tension holds the gun like it should. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:09:14 PM
Originally Posted By lowonair:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Does retention improve when you put it on your belt/waist? This. I have holsters that when off body won't hold anything but when you put them on your belt the tension holds the gun like it should. x3 I've had a couple that held the gun great upside down, but were damn near impossible to draw from when on the belt. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:59:47 PM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 11:02:08 PM by grabagear]
A pancake might not always hold super tight without the belt. But when it's on the hip it should hold extremely well. It should hold so good that if you tighten your belt really tight the gun won't come out without giving yourself a wedgey.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 2:06:06 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 2:07:04 AM by rightwingnut]
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Does retention improve when you put it on your belt/waist? Right, Good question... No, it does not impove, in any position on my waste. My belt is a sturdy Beltman Belt. I figured it would get tighter but it doesn't. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 2:08:06 AM
Originally Posted By SGB:
Who's the maker? I'll wait to say... I dunno... |
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OiRogers
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:39:49 PM
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By OiRogers:
Does retention improve when you put it on your belt/waist? Right, Good question... No, it does not impove, in any position on my waste. My belt is a sturdy Beltman Belt. I figured it would get tighter but it doesn't. I would certainly raise your concerns with the maker. That is not a holster I'd use. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 3:22:07 PM
just talked to the leathersmith or whatever who made it. He did indicate that it should have some passive retention and that the gun shoudl be secure if I trip or get pushed down in an assault or whatever. He asked me to send it is so he can either remold or remake it. He said that sometimes a particular leather sample just doesn't do what you want it to or maybe the gun casting got moved when it was drying or something.
I just dont' know why places don't check stuff before it goes out the door. Especially a relatively low volume place like this. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 4:39:50 PM
Originally Posted By rightwingnut: just talked to the leathersmith or whatever who made it. He did indicate that it should have some passive retention and that the gun shoudl be secure if I trip or get pushed down in an assault or whatever. He asked me to send it is so he can either remold or remake it. He said that sometimes a particular leather sample just doesn't do what you want it to or maybe the gun casting got moved when it was drying or something. I just dont' know why places don't check stuff before it goes out the door. Especially a relatively low volume place like this. I make a few holsters myself and the above sounds like BS covering for poor workmanship. However as long as it comes back with you happy is all that counts. |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 10:20:24 AM
I got the same holster back after like a week. It was re molded. Currenly, it will hold the gun upside down but after loosing up after a few days use the gun will fall out if I shake moderately.
I'll prolly try to mold it some more myself... The back side could definately be boned into the trigger guard some more. The holster does not apper to be sealed so I can do it I guess. I am about to start making my own anyway so I've learned a little about it. I had to stretch out the ammo carrier that cam w/ it. It would not fit a bianchi speed strip w/ 5 rds. I sprayed some water on it and forced it over my belt and it stretched out appropriately. |
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Posted: 8/22/2012 10:45:09 AM
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
I got the same holster back after like a week. It was re molded. Currenly, it will hold the gun upside down but after loosing up after a few days use the gun will fall out if I shake moderately. I'll prolly try to mold it some more myself... The back side could definately be boned into the trigger guard some more. The holster does not apper to be sealed so I can do it I guess. I am about to start making my own anyway so I've learned a little about it. I had to stretch out the ammo carrier that cam w/ it. It would not fit a bianchi speed strip w/ 5 rds. I sprayed some water on it and forced it over my belt and it stretched out appropriately. Well, since you gave the maker an opportunity to make it right and they failed to solved the problem, are you willing to share the name of the maker? |
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Posted: 8/23/2012 10:24:54 AM
I've always had the opposite problem... leather too tight where you have to slip the pistol into a plastic grocery bag and then into the holster overnight to loosen it up a bit.
FTR, leather tends to draw up some when dampened. Just don't have the weapon in it as it will stretch it more (and rust the weapon!) |
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Posted: 8/23/2012 12:15:33 PM
Post a couple of pics of the holster.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 5:43:00 PM
Originally Posted By SGB: Post a couple of pics of the holster. ????? update? |
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Posted: 9/13/2012 10:58:03 PM
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By SGB:
Who's the maker? I'll wait to say... I dunno... Don Hume? Sounds a bit like my experience. The gun fit great on the waist, but if I took the holster off and inverted it the gun would slide right out. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:16:35 AM
hey there sorry.
It is a Bell Charter Oak Challenger cross draw. Made to be worn at about 10 o'clock. The holster is tigher than at first, the gun will not fall out if you turn it upside down, but if you gently shake it will come out. I am not happy w/ it ultimately. Maybe my expectation for a leather hoslter are too high... SGB, IM me you email if you want I can email you a pic. There are not a lot of pics of this holster. |
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:23:26 AM
I recently got a Kramer belt scabbard for my Hi Power and the gun goes in and out of the holster very smoothly, but there is no way it's falling out on it's own even when shaken violently upside down.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 11:36:32 AM
maybe add a chicago screw setup with some rubber washers or spacers in the middle?
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Posted: 10/23/2012 5:10:26 PM
Originally Posted By hmaverick:
maybe add a chicago screw setup with some rubber washers or spacers in the middle? Actually in holsters the tension type screws are usually a little machine screw w/ a special washer going through to a special nut w/...like barbs on it that holds it against the back side. Anyone know where to get those. Haven't seen them at Tandy. |
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Posted: 10/27/2012 12:50:01 PM
[Last Edit: 10/27/2012 12:51:58 PM by big_motor_jumbo]
Google "tee nuts". I bought some at my local hardware store but the barbs were REALLY big. I ended up taking two pairs of pliers and rocking the barb back and forth to break it off, it left a nice raised edge that still allowed it to cut into the leather back of my holster to not allow it to turn. You may also want to pick up some "countersunk washers" while you are at it!
Good luck with the repairs. |
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