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Posted: 1/14/2010 12:44:58 AM
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I am putting together a lesson plan which requires the maximum effective range and the maximum travel distance of the federal 180gr hyrda-shok.
I can't seem to find anything, anywhere on these two subjects. not even conjecture.... any help would be appreciated.

sorry this would be from a S&W M&P40 w/ 4.25" barrel
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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:15:45 AM
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Depends on the shooter, and your definition of "effective". I can easily make hits on a man sized target at 100 yards with a .45, and know several folks who could do so at 200. I would think the flatter shooting .40 could do the same.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:40:52 AM
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:43:53 AM
I am not looking for trajectory stuff here. I know I can put a hole in paper at 100yrds. We have an indoor range, so conditions are perfect. I need to know if it will still put a man down at that range.
Also the actual distance the round will travel. like on a box of 22lr it says this bullet can travel up to one mile. I can't see a 40. going that distance.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 7:43:20 AM
conjecture here but i carry one on duty....A 40 will travel a mile with the proper angle on it...It will reset the badguy's OODA loop if it hits him at a distance from 0-500 meters.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 8:39:47 AM

Originally Posted By 17:
I am not looking for trajectory stuff here. I know I can put a hole in paper at 100yrds. We have an indoor range, so conditions are perfect. I need to know if it will still put a man down at that range.
Also the actual distance the round will travel. like on a box of 22lr it says this bullet can travel up to one mile. I can't see a 40. going that distance.


Try calling Federal.

Update this thread with their response.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 9:19:06 AM
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IDK, I hit a steal target with a very loud ding at 100 with my little Glock 27. Only hit it a few times though. 165g fmj
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Posted: 1/14/2010 11:01:08 AM
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.


I dunno about that. Got a source? I couldn't get one to go through 2 sides of a computer case at 5 yards from a 1911 if there was any angle at all to the impact.

Also, since noone has posted anything concrete yet. Here. Enjoy, guys:



Yes, at 100y a .40 is still plenty lethal. Just use any free ballistic calculator.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 2:35:06 PM
Let's plug this into the handloads.com ballistic calculator, shall we?

According to their tool, a 180gr., .400", "SWC/HP" style bullet, launched at 1000fps, will still have 439 fps of ass behind it at 1000 yards. Of course, you'll have to "hold over" 286 FEET to get it there, assuming a 25y zero. It would likely still be able to cause death at that range.

It doesn't drop below 700 fps until 365 yards. The .38/200 and .38 Special killed an aweful lot of people with similar ballistics.

I've repeatedly nailed a man-sized gong at 400 yards with my .22LR...using 20-25 FEET of hold over.

Point it, range is more dependent on the launching platform, the amount of time allocated to the shot, and the skill of the operator than the projectile or its velocity.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 2:40:07 PM
The .40 will have almost same amount of energy at 400 yards as a .380 or 38 special at muzzle approx 200 ft/lbs. That'll be about 175 ft/lbs at 500 yards.
A hollow point may not expand at that level of energy, but it'll still penetrate enough to kill.


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Posted: 1/14/2010 2:53:47 PM
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.


I dunno about that. Got a source? I couldn't get one to go through 2 sides of a computer case at 5 yards from a 1911 if there was any angle at all to the impact.

Also, since noone has posted anything concrete yet.
Here. Enjoy, guys:

http://i46.tinypic.com/244wdhd.jpg

Yes, at 100y a .40 is still plenty lethal. Just use any free ballistic calculator.


Source:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=65957



500 yards


View of house through .45 bullet hole in drum.


500 yards, my finger is on the above bullet hole.

Pretty darn concrete.
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Not to scale.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 3:39:30 PM
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.


I dunno about that. Got a source? I couldn't get one to go through 2 sides of a computer case at 5 yards from a 1911 if there was any angle at all to the impact.

Also, since noone has posted anything concrete yet.
Here. Enjoy, guys:

http://i46.tinypic.com/244wdhd.jpg

Yes, at 100y a .40 is still plenty lethal. Just use any free ballistic calculator.


Source:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=65957


http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/Shooting/DSC02589reszed.jpg
500 yards

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/Shooting/DSC02593resized.jpg
View of house through .45 bullet hole in drum.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/Shooting/DSC02588resized.jpg
500 yards, my finger is on the above bullet hole.

Pretty darn concrete.



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Posted: 1/14/2010 5:21:47 PM
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.


I dunno about that. Got a source? I couldn't get one to go through 2 sides of a computer case at 5 yards from a 1911 if there was any angle at all to the impact.

Also, since noone has posted anything concrete yet.
Here. Enjoy, guys:

http://i46.tinypic.com/244wdhd.jpg

Yes, at 100y a .40 is still plenty lethal. Just use any free ballistic calculator.


Source:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=65957


http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/Shooting/DSC02589reszed.jpg
500 yards

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/Shooting/DSC02593resized.jpg
View of house through .45 bullet hole in drum.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh131/seven_sixtwo/Shooting/DSC02588resized.jpg
500 yards, my finger is on the above bullet hole.

Pretty darn concrete.


Well I'm impressed with it. I didn't think it had it in it. Good shootin'!
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Posted: 1/14/2010 8:29:14 PM
Thanks guys, this helps alot.
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Posted: 1/14/2010 11:30:00 PM

Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.

Around 30 years ago, at a shooting spot I used to go to, someone had brought out an old mailbox, the big box kind that sits at street corners. I'm guessing it was constructed out of 16 gauge sheet metal. Heavier than your typical car body, but probably less than 1/8". Sitting out at 200 yards I could hit it with my Dad's GI Colt 45 every time once I got the hold over figured out. At that range it wouldn't penetrate one side, much less both, using milsurp 45 hardball ammo. Made a nice big dent though. There was a big set of gym lockers out there too, wouldn't penetrate those either at 200 yards.
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Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.

Around 30 years ago, at a shooting spot I used to go to, someone had brought out an old mailbox, the big box kind that sits at street corners. I'm guessing it was constructed out of 16 gauge sheet metal. Heavier than your typical car body, but probably less than 1/8". Sitting out at 200 yards I could hit it with my Dad's GI Colt 45 every time once I got the hold over figured out. At that range it wouldn't penetrate one side, much less both, using milsurp 45 hardball ammo. Made a nice big dent though. There was a big set of gym lockers out there too, wouldn't penetrate those either at 200 yards.


Yeah, but at 500 yards, it accelerates by gravity.

It takes 4 seconds for a .45 round to go 500 yards. I would line up the shot, squeeeeeeeeezzzeee the trigger, shot would break, I would calmly put the pistol down and pick up my binos, focus on the target, wait.... wait.... *thump*
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Apparently I squeeeeezed that trigger a little too hard...
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Apparently I squeeeeezed that trigger a little too hard...


That'll make you blind.
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.

I remember that thread.
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
.45 hardball will go through both sides of a 55 gallon fuel drum at 500 yards.
Around 30 years ago, at a shooting spot I used to go to, someone had brought out an old mailbox, the big box kind that sits at street corners. I'm guessing it was constructed out of 16 gauge sheet metal. Heavier than your typical car body, but probably less than 1/8". Sitting out at 200 yards I could hit it with my Dad's GI Colt 45 every time once I got the hold over figured out. At that range it wouldn't penetrate one side, much less both, using milsurp 45 hardball ammo. Made a nice big dent though. There was a big set of gym lockers out there too, wouldn't penetrate those either at 200 yards.
Yeah, but at 500 yards, it accelerates by gravity.

It takes 4 seconds for a .45 round to go 500 yards. I would line up the shot, squeeeeeeeeezzzeee the trigger, shot would break, I would calmly put the pistol down and pick up my binos, focus on the target, wait.... wait.... *thump*

That must have been pretty fun!
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Posted: 1/17/2010 1:03:05 AM
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
Apparently I squeeeeezed that trigger a little too hard...


That'll make you blind.


I meant about the doubletap.
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