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Posted: 4/21/2016 10:25:26 PM EDT
Pretty sure you can only find this as surplus components nowadays, but let's see how it does against level IIIA :D  |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:55:51 AM EDT
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Great video. Thanks for making and posting it.
Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:25:35 AM EDT
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This brings back memories of over 3 decades ago. The Czech 9mm was readily available and was cheap. It was also old, and not very reliable.
But, it would penetrate! It not only penetrates Kevlar well, it would do a good job on steel, (cold rolled, and not real thick, but thick enough to stop Dirty Harry's .44 Mag). And, as mentioned, it looked like it would be effective on werewolves. I would expect full penetration in that scenario also. |
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Posted: 4/24/2016 10:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. |
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Posted: 4/25/2016 1:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These were handloads. I had the original source in the video, but dude freaked out for some reason, and asked me to remove his business name from the video. :) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. Probably because it's illegal to load/sell "AP" ammo to the public, outside of specific exemptions (M2AP, etc). |
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Posted: 4/25/2016 2:54:33 PM EDT
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These were handloads. I had the original source in the video, but dude freaked out for some reason, and asked me to remove his business name from the video. :) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. |
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Posted: 4/25/2016 10:33:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. Yeah it's probably a gray area. I mean there were a ton of reloading sites selling Ss190 pulled bullets a few years ago, so these would be no different. 5gr of titegroup |
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Posted: 4/25/2016 11:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah it's probably a gray area. I mean there were a ton of reloading sites selling Ss190 pulled bullets a few years ago, so these would be no different. 5gr of titegroup Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. 5gr of titegroup The bullets themselves are perfectly legal to own, shoot, etc (Fed wise, local law may differ). But an ammo manufacturer cannot load old AP bullets, and sell the completed ammo to non LE/Mil. He also can't manufacture new AP bullets and load them for civilian sales. The way you worded it, sounded like you purchased reloaded ammo from the guy. Which wouldn't be legal. If you bought the component bullets, and loaded them yourself, that would be legal. As would making your own AP bullets for your own use. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:42:06 PM EDT
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This brings back memories of over 3 decades ago. The Czech 9mm was readily available and was cheap. It was also old, and not very reliable. But, it would penetrate! It not only penetrates Kevlar well, it would do a good job on steel, (cold rolled, and not real thick, but thick enough to stop Dirty Harry's .44 Mag). And, as mentioned, it looked like it would be effective on werewolves. I would expect full penetration in that scenario also. It was also corrosive as hell. At least the stuff I had. Might still have a few rounds laying around. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 2:54:26 PM EDT
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Yeah it's probably a gray area. I mean there were a ton of reloading sites selling Ss190 pulled bullets a few years ago, so these would be no different. 5gr of titegroup Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. 5gr of titegroup Thanks. HS6 might allow you to eek out a little more velocity than titegroup, but not a lot. Wow, loose SS190 bullets? I did not know that. It must have been a real boon for people reloading for their PS90s and Five-seveN's. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 3:02:35 PM EDT
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I'd probably delete the video and post
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd probably delete the video and post |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple differences: SS109/M855 bullets are not considered AP, by law (same with M2AP, and some .50 bullets) They are specifically exempted. Other AP bullets are not given the same leeway. The bullets themselves are perfectly legal to own, shoot, etc (Fed wise, local law may differ). But an ammo manufacturer cannot load old AP bullets, and sell the completed ammo to non LE/Mil. He also can't manufacture new AP bullets and load them for civilian sales. The way you worded it, sounded like you purchased reloaded ammo from the guy. Which wouldn't be legal. If you bought the component bullets, and loaded them yourself, that would be legal. As would making your own AP bullets for your own use. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. 5gr of titegroup The bullets themselves are perfectly legal to own, shoot, etc (Fed wise, local law may differ). But an ammo manufacturer cannot load old AP bullets, and sell the completed ammo to non LE/Mil. He also can't manufacture new AP bullets and load them for civilian sales. The way you worded it, sounded like you purchased reloaded ammo from the guy. Which wouldn't be legal. If you bought the component bullets, and loaded them yourself, that would be legal. As would making your own AP bullets for your own use. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:12:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. HS6 might allow you to eek out a little more velocity than titegroup, but not a lot. Wow, loose SS190 bullets? I did not know that. It must have been a real boon for people reloading for their PS90s and Five-seveN's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Great video. Thanks for making and posting it. Were these handloaded or was it original surplus ammunition? I understand that the original Czech ammo has a pretty bad history of primer failures. What powder/charge did you use? If you don't mind me asking. I wouldn't think the projectiles would be any problem to sell. Especially since the ammunition itself is perfectly legal, according to the national law, for non-ffl's to buy/sell. 5gr of titegroup Thanks. HS6 might allow you to eek out a little more velocity than titegroup, but not a lot. Wow, loose SS190 bullets? I did not know that. It must have been a real boon for people reloading for their PS90s and Five-seveN's. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 8:52:11 AM EDT
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I wish I had known about that. I don't even own anything in 5.7x28, but I would have picked up a bunch of those bullets anyway. Just in case I ever do.
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