I have a Charter Arms .38 special, snub nose, 2" barrel (Ithink, its pretty short). A bunch of years ago I traded a stack of once fored .30-06, and .308 brass for two bags of .38 special target loads, which I don't remember what it was, all I remember is that it was all wadcutters, and almost no recoil. I once shot all five rounds into a tree from a range of about7-8 feet, and 3 of the 5 bounced off and hit me, doing no damage. The other 2 I could see sticking out of the bark. Not exactly a SD load, wadcutter filled most of the case. But boy, was the recoil mild! I've never shot anything else in the gun, but I do have a few boxes of semi-wadcutters for it, and a few boxes of .38 S&W that will also fit. Contrary to most thought, .38 S&W isn't anything to sneeze at, with a 146 gr LRN bullet its okay. But everybody wants maximum performance out of everything these days.